An Argument Against Naming Dancers in Reviews

I am not going to debate, but I appreciate specifically knowing who is good in a club. That said, do not name any dancer with which you have had extra-legal activities.

Like you , I don't want to be responsible for sending a dickhead/asshat in the direction of my favorite dancers. However, most dancers have had to deal with some asshats and out-of-control perverts and know how to do so. Also, the number of people on this board who should be restrained is likely not much higher than the general population. Most all of the guys I have met have been very cool people with good jobs who are just out to have a good time. Like many of our politicians and the news media, you are using a few bad actors to scare or disparage a group.

And there are the dancers with Golden Pussy awards and Rip Off Bitches. I want them named up front.

When writing a review, naming specific dancers is a judgement call. However, I don't go to clubs for the food. If there are several clubs in the area and one has a few quality/fun dancers that I can identify by reviews, that is the club where I want to spend my money. That is what makes reviews valuable.

Well-said, Ish. Sharing information via PM, exercising discretion, is far more respectful of everyone's interests. Don't get me wrong, someone posts their run-down of dancers in a club I plan on going to, I read with interest and am appreciative. But there's a bigger picture to appreciate and you articulated it well.

Money for most of us is hard-earned. I'd rather not waste it. Information is good.

^ Information is good, but not at the expense of dancer safety / wellbeing. That's my personal calculus on this.

Well done article. Names don't need to be dropped IMHO, unless they're ROBs of some sort.

In theory, I agree with naming ROBs. The problem is that a lot of guys interpret normal hustle or higher prices as "ROB" behavior. It's not.

If a dancer chooses to be expensive, that's her business. It's not dishonest. Similarly, we can choose to not buy dances from her.

So, naming ROBs is a case-by-case basis thing.

I'd drop names. But I get others feel differently and strongly. Ultimately this is a community and I want to exchange info. So I play nice and keep names out of my reviews

I've taken to making up names in my reviews. They're made up anyway, (and sometimes forgotten).

Well said.

I won’t name names in reviews out of courtesy to the dancer and respect for her safety. You never know who is reading these things. If an established member PMs me for details I will share - within limits.

Good article, CMI. I'm hesitant about being too blabby about good dancers, much like a fisherman doesn't want to reveal too much about the location of his favorite fishing holes.

I do believe that ROB's should be outed, BUT with the caveat of providing a physical description of dancer in addition to name. Some clubs may have 2 dancers with same name or similar sounding name (eg, Sofia & Sophia). Also there is dancer turnover, so blonde buxom ROB Bubbles may leave in a few months only to have a brunette spinner good Bubbles take her place. Wouldn't want to hurt new Bubbles prospects.

Congratulations on getting your 30 day vip status again CIM. We name employees in reviews in many industries, food service, home improvement, the list goes on. Sometimes it is to report something good, sometimes bad. I'll agree with not saying so and so gave me a blow job for 100 dollars but what's the problem with complmenting someone for a general nice time or what's wrong with saying someone gave me an attitude or gave a generally lackluster performance in the back and I'm speaking about that? Reviews are written by one consumer for other customers to read and decide accordingly. We don't hesitate to compliment or call out good or bad service in other industries, why the difference in this industry?

I've always thought we did don't tie names to explicit acts, that's totally fair and not asking too much for people to do. But I think going beyond that is getting ridiculous.

^ You're certainly entitled to that opinion, Muddy. You're not alone.

But, as stated above, I don't want to put a dancer I like on the radar of a bad or dangerous customer. Because, guys fixate, obsess, and/or stalk dancers significantly more than the average service industry worker for all the obvious reasons.

I feel perfectly fine letting guys know that it's a good club, and then they can talk to the dancers and find a good one (like all of us do). Or, if I know them to be solid, they'll get a response if they PM me.

To gain some context for Mickey's schoolyard-style dislike for me, go here:

tuscl.net

...where Mickey said about halfway down: "Knowing who will do what is actually very helpful in a review. There seems to be concern about dancer protection. It doesn't seem like anyone understands this but dancers use anonymous stage names which can be changed. The 'I got extras but I cant say from who' isnt useful. I dont get the secrecy when this kind of info is available on usasg."

After which he got his ass handed to him, and not just by me. Hence, his hurt feelings from then on.

"We don't hesitate to compliment or call out good or bad service in other industries, why the difference in this industry?"

Because in other industries, the service providers don't get naked with complete strangers in a small room, play with their cocks, and try to convince said strangers that that they're wildly attracted to them. That's why. But hey, maybe you have a different relationship with your car mechanic than I have with mine. Good for you.

(Regarding ROBs, I addressed that above.)

Feel free to keep not liking me and what I say, anonymous petulant dickhead. It's fine by me.

Also, if you think it's 100% okay to name dancers in reviews, then let them know you intend to do that after you do a VIP or even a few lapdances with them. See how they react and report back here. Also, have someone shoot video. It'll be TikTok gold.

You're a fucking idiot CIM, I said that the review should not include x explicit services for y dollars. I'll take it as a compliment that you went through all the trouble to enlighten the readership with a lengthy dissertation on a previous disagreement. Just so your readership knows, I'm ok with the M.O. here on keeping explicit services for specific dollars out of the review.

Similar to a review left in any setting, why would I ask them for permission to leave a review? If I said, "if jasmine sits down next to you, dont shoo her away. I had a great night with her and I look forward to seeing her again" , are you saying reviews should be turned down for being as vanilla as that just because I mentioned jasmine?

You act like you're some sort of expert because you might have completed the cliff notes to moby dick. Others might be impressed by you, I'm not. I have no problem being a petulant dickhead to know it all assholes like you who think they know better than everyone else.

^ No, I said the reason why you have an axe to grind with me is because you came here advocating the connecting of dancers by name to extras, and when myself and several others took you to task on that, you decided to hold a grudge.

I'm not saying that you have to ask permission to talk about a dancer by name in a review. I'm just suggesting that you give it a shot, because you asked about this versus any other industry. And the difference is that if I tell service providers in mainstream industries that I'm going to write up a great review of their work online, the vast majority will appreciate that. But I'm pretty sure that you'll get a very different reaction from most dancers in a strip club. But if you disagree with that, then just give it a try next time you're coming out of VIP.

This is a relevant topic to the customers here, and I'm posting my own practices and opinions. Obviously, I can't control what others do. But, as a guy who used to name names a lot, I'm giving my reasoning as to why I don't do that anymore.

You're the one choosing to get pissy about it. Unlike pretty much everyone else on this thread.

I appreciate the article. I think the safety issue is overblown. Dancers advertise location and time regularly. Clubs do the same. Extras clubs in my area are laughably obvious, we all know what is going on inside. Other website share all the gory details. Real names are never known. Everyone in the club knows who the "tall blond with DD's and a flat ass on Wednesday afternoon" is. Pimps beat whores because they are pimps, not bc some PL wrote the wrong words on a titty board. So, I don't think this policy is moving the needle on these hypothetical safety issues in the slightest.

That said, I speculate that the dancers prefer that we do not name them in association with specifics, and therefore I do not. It's just respectful to treat the people you do business with in the way they would like to be treated. Easy peasey.

As long as you're not stating exactly what a specific dancer is willing to do for what rate then everything said in a review can be chalked up to a fanciful bragging. It's not like the local PD has officers scouring reviews waiting to see if a ok is naming names of providers so they can bust her and her johns for a charge.

^ Honestly, I don't worry a lot about cops. I guess it's possible they look at sites like this, but the reality is that they know what's going on in certain clubs without coming here. I think it's more likely that cops come here for the same reason the rest of us come here.

As I said above, I'm not naming names because I don't like even the possibility that I'm going to steer a bad or dangerous person towards a dancer I like via my recommendation.

^ funny thing about cops, from time to time there is someone here that gives me an LE vibe. That has happened just once in a club, but several times here. Maybe I'm more suspicious online.

As long as it's truthful information. You ALWAYS NAME DANCER NAMES. This place is to help people out. I've saved tons of money not going with dancers that are scammers or just do the bare minimum.

As I mentioned above, naming ROBs is a case-by-case basis. But, aside from that, I don't think dancer names need to be in reviews. At least not against the potential risk.

I see no reason to name any dancer. A great experience for me might not be had by another TUSCLer who finds a dancer I named. A ROB to me may not be to someone else. My reviews give general experiences, club info (including recent changes etc), and allow a reader to get an overall feel for the club. I do not review so that someone else can jerk off to my steamy stories or so they can go get with the same girls I got with.

Can't you apply the same thinking to reviews in general? If you say you like a club, doesn't that encourage creeps who see the review to go to the club? So, instead of causing a problem for a particular dancers, you're causing a problem for random dancers.

Most PLs don't look at or even know about TUSCL. Would be nice if the creeps on here were the only creeps, or even that we have a higher percentage of creeps compared to non-TUSCL PLs. Sadly, I don't think either is true. That's something dancer members will hopefully relate their experiences about.

My profile makes it clear I don't look for extras in strip clubs, and I'm very vague about details (beyond "she was great"),. I think getting her more customers is part of appropriate gratitude towards someone who does a very hard job that greatly helps my quality of life.

^ From the article "One could make a counter argument that Surprise FIV Guy could wind up with my CF regardless of me not naming her in my review. And while that's true, there's nothing I can do about random encounters, but I can avoid painting a target on my CF as a direct result of a review that I write and he reads."

In my first review I got my hand slapped for naming the dancer and adding too much detail. But I think it is fair to name the dancer and just give an overview i.e. worth while, no good, upsell, ROB etc. then if there is more info suggest a DM for details. I think the point of this site is to identify the SCs worth visiting and giving some intel on the dancers.

^ So, I'm not using any names in my reviews anymore, and I've laid out why here in this article. At the same time, it's certainly not prohibited. I feel a lot stronger about connecting dancers by name to extras as opposed to broadly recommending a dancer without specifics or naming dancers who are scammers. I continue to believe that one can write an informative review without it turning into a Chinese restaurant menu of what you can expect from specific dancers.

A monger website that doesn’t discuss girls by name is pretty useless. Naming a good dancer leads to more customers & money. Yeah, some may be jerks; but it’s not like the only ones they encounter are referrals. The “I’m protecting them” rationale is just “Captain Save-a-Ho” rationalization. More like “I’m keeping them to myself because I am selfish.” Share the wealth, man. As long as I’m maximizing my return on time & money invested in this hobby via others’ identification of worthwhile dancers, I’m happy to share the products of my own expenditures. I stopped writing reviews here once the “too explicit/don’t name names” crowd took control. Now I come here infrequently, hoping to glean something useful from a vague inference. I think this is why this site has become dominated by the same 20-40 posters in a circle jerk. I’d rather read names than reading CIM & Mickeyjerks bicker like Real Housewives.

"Naming a good dancer leads to more customers & money."

If you think you're doing them a favor, then tell that dancer that you're going to name them in an online review here. I'm sure that they'll express their appreciation immediately...

"I’d rather read names than reading CIM & Mickeyjerks bicker like Real Housewives."

Every time someone thinks they're the school yard's most clever, clever boy by calling me "CIM", it's not actually me on the sharp end of that "joke".

Well said, and you should probably repeat it annually

I agree with the general premise of not naming dancers in connection to explicit acts.

However regarding the stalking, obsessive/violent behaviors and such, it’s important to consider why thats occurring on a large scale.

The sex work industry, due to its illegal and semi legal nature, has a major scamming problem. Just like the drug trade industry, and even the auto repair industry (particularly in states where safety inspections are required).

Are all these violent stalker customers that way just because they see a hot dancer they like and she rejected their advances? That seems silly; theres hot girls everywhere and people have been rejected everywhere.

Escorts, strippers, even onlyfans girls have a major scamming and theft problem in their industry, which encourages violence, and the semi legal or illegal nature of the industry can also encourage violence.

Agreed as far as simply being expensive not being akin to being a ROB. However if someone is claiming they get lots of sales at a certain price, yet don’t, or claim their very expensive price is the norm and is a market rate, that can be venturing into ROB territory. A reddit thread had commenters claiming 2k+ OTC is the norm in their area, which seems impossible.

I name names. I give real information. If the hoe's don't like it, they should stop sucking dick in the club. Most Hoe's appreciate the free advertisement.

they should stop sucking dick in the club

Is that an outcome you want?

I don't know why it's so hard not to use a dancers name.

Uncle said "Most Hoe's appreciate the free advertisement."

That's not true at all. But, you can prove me wrong. Next time you get extras, tell the dancer that you're going to post a review here and identify what she did and her stage name. Let us know how she "thanks" you.