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2 years ago
Rick what about retail workers and waitresses who arent hot, but are younger and average? Or what about hot or average waitresses or retail workers who are in their 20s and 30s and 40s?
Its not true that “regular women” would be mind boggled or refuse money offers for sex. Theres tons of famous instagram women, who aren’t strippers or escorts but who are doing sex stuff for $1000+ an hour. For some of these women, the money is just too good to turn down. Both celebrities like nba players, and wealthier older men, former celebrities etc are paying for these Instagram chicks. Instagram is something everyone in everu social class uses.
Its also not true that just because someone is working a retail job or office job, that they aren’t open to dating or to sex for money. There’s a whole stereotype of the secretary who’s sleeping with her boss (20+ years older usually). Theres known instances of girls or guys who are sleeping with their bosses or did sexual stuff to get the job or to get the grade in college.
There is a big social stigma and legal stigma to being an escort or sugarbaby. That in itself is going to create a massive category of people who would be willing to engage in sex work but don’t do it out of fear of consequences. There’s also a professional stigma to it; meaning even if prostitution were fully legalized, the professional employers probably aren’t going to like it, so people pursuing professional career paths are still going to be unwillig to publicly advertise themselves as escorts.
There is also the social stigma, maybe they dont want their friends or family or SO to know.
I doubt girls go to bars planning on meeting older men yet this is happening all the time in college and regular bars. Also in some ways it’s arguably easier to get p4p with a waitress or retail worker than a stripper. A retail worker or waitress making 20k - 40k is going to value $300 a lot more than a stripper making 70k - 100k.
This is all already happening on instagram anyway, which isn’t a dating or sugaring app.
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2 years ago
What kind of consequences are there nice? I think its usually a misdemeanor? That might be the act of prostitution itself, it’s possible soliciting is lower.
But this should all be legalized anyway. Its odd to base secular law off religious conservative rulings. Older men might feel more comfortable asking younger women out if its legal, but its worth all the lives saved and the overall value to society. If someone wants to be conservative they can still refuse offers p4p or hookups just like they can refuse them now.
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2 years ago
PSD, is there some kind of innuendo with asking if you worked at hooters? Why would he mention specifically working there?
How do you explain waitresses, girls at college bars or regular bars, or retail workers engaging in this? We dont have the data to say how often it happens, but theres been instances of older or middle aged men getting otc from these types of people. Some of them specifically said they had the best luck at college bars and with waitresses.
Any girl who’s planning on a professional career path would never post and advertise herself online as an escort or sugar baby.
Also everyone is assuming that the OP and discussion is referring only to hot younger women working these civvie jobs. What about average women working these jobs, or older hot/average women in their 30s or 40s working these jobs? Once you throw those categories into the mix it becomes even more common
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2 years ago
Rick i dont know how often these old guys are hitting on underage girls. But I would bet a significant number of men ages 18 - 60+ are hitting on girls who look 18-35+. The money specific offers are limited and subtle across society due to the illegality of it. But that shouldn’t be illegal. Socially unacceptable is different than illegal. If it’s an older man flashing cash or looking wealthy there’s probably younger girls chasing after him.
Also this is already going on with instagram chicks, look at for instance dan bilzerian and joe budden. Budden is literally flying chicks 20-35 years younger off Instagram all across the country to his place. Bilzerian used instagram as a recruiting tool to get a bunch of girls 20+ years younger than him.
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2 years ago
Rick it happens either way, young guys or old guys hitting on younger or older men or women, vice versa etc. it falls under freedom of speech in most places anyway. Anyone reasonably attractive or rich ir famous is going to be hit on. If i had an attractive SO or sister or daughter i would assume theyll get hit on af some point, even often. There isn’t anything you can do legally either unless theres some sort of harassment, stalking etc involved. But flirty comments in the drive thru or grocery store won’t fall under that usually
Plenty of people are being propositioned daily, as far as propositioning specifically offering sex for money, that doesnt happen as often due to legal reasons. Theres tons of richer older men with younger girls they didnt always meet them at the strip club or seeking websites.
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2 years ago
It would be illegal to straight up ask them. Theres no doubt some will be willing to. Being a stripper involves doing it as a career and going up in stage. Being an escort or sugarbaby involves posting yourself online. That means anyone in a monogamous relationship, or who’s in college or planning to work a professional job, won’t be willing to post themselves online.
Everyone has a price, even doctors would be willing to do it especially if it was legal.
Doc it would be reduced somewhat if it was legalized but at the same time people would feel more comfortable and straightforward soliciting if prostitution was legalized.
Tons of men and women are being asked out or solicited on a daily basis anyway. Not just grocery store employees, but also mall customers, people in gyms, grocery store customers etc. it’s a reality of living in a mixed, non segregated society. Any man or woman who is reasonably attractive, rich, famous, etc could be propositioned anywhere.
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2 years ago
I dont know exactly how, but some of these guys were framing it as a paid date. Someone on here mentioned telling a waitress about strip clubs and she admitted she would do it but didnt want to work at a strip club or something
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2 years ago
Shes told me all the places she lived and its all cities right next to each other. I would rather not support a rent scammer
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2 years ago
Dogchain I would bet the rates are $200-$300 just like strippers.
Here there are much hotter women, in much larger numbers at gyms, shopping malls, grocery stores than the strip clubs. There’s a lot of college students who love money.
The problem isn’t whether civvies would do this its how would you approach them properly, in a safe way? You cant straight up offer money for sex due to legal reasons and social reasons, people find it more offensive than asking for sex for free.
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2 years ago
A lot of married women or taken women in these retail jobs and office workers may be open to this sort of thing but wouldn’t be able to post online or strip.
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2 years ago
I made a thread about this a while ago.
There have been several older guys doing this. I cant remember which forum, but they mentioned college bars and waitresses worked especially well. College students as well.
Rick there’s certain girls who cant or dont want to be strippers, and dont want to post as escorts online or post on seeking arrangement.
Plus if these girls look attractive, they’re getting hit on all the time anyway, by young or old dudes. Logically speaking, getting hit on + being offered money isn’t as disrespectful as someone wanting to hook up for free.
Additionally if/when prostitution is fully legalized this kind of stuff is going to be happening everywhere you go. It already happens everywhere you go even now. Shopping malls, restaurants bars etc.
Some people for a variety of reasons cant strip, and cant advertise themselves online but are still open to sugaring or Otc.
Icee when did rick or anyone here coerce anyone? Coercion involves force and theeats. Its basically illegal. Coercing someone into sex is basically rape. I haven’t seen anyone here admit to that
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2 years ago
Do you think its likely they just skip rent, then get kicked out and don’t have to pay that 1-2 months of unpaid rent? How quickly do these apartment complexes kick you out if you dont pay rent? Icee was advising a dancer to not pay any debts and just focus on stacking cash up.
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2 years ago
I dont know about the previous times but most recently it was 9 months. Im assuming previously it was less than a year also.
Someone on here posted something about dancers moving around often
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2 years ago
Champ, were you kidding when you said fixture ur english
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2 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
Dolfan whats the age difference with you and the new girl if you dont mind? Do you think there’s mutual attraction, are you her only otc client and what rate are you paying.
How common do you think this hiding from SO stuff is? Some SOs actually know what’s going on and are totally fine with it since they want the extra money. All this tracking and controlling behavior is sad
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2 years ago
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ilbbaicnlKeep it in my pants when I do OTC. If I were a stripper it would stand for I like big bucks and I can not lie.
Actually Ilbs profile headline even says it “keep it in my pants when i do otc”. Its some sort of a bragging thing where he respects the dancers more than people who want FS
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2 years ago
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My fav was telling me about another regular, where, when she and the other strippers are out a restaurant, they can call him, and somehow he'll manage to pay their tab even though he's not there. But those customers are like winning the lottery. Nice if it happens, but you can't count on it.”
Why does he do that? Strippers make good money, theres lots of other people in need you could donate money to
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2 years ago
Its the opposite champ. I would refuse to help or affiliate if that’s what’s happening
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2 years ago
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ilbbaicnlKeep it in my pants when I do OTC. If I were a stripper it would stand for I like big bucks and I can not lie.
Doc I would consider something like that if there’s significant discount. Some clubs keep half of the dancers fees. If a dancer was willing to for example offer an hour of lapdance for $100 or $200 I would consider that. An hour vip in clubs can cost $600 or more.
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2 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
Rick if you have a big suv or if she has one couldn’t you use the car instead of a hotel room? How much are you spending on the hotel for one session. Additionally are your dancers leaving their cars parked in the club parking lot? If the club is closed here i dont think theyd be able to park the car overnight
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2 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
Icee nobody is coercing, if these tricks were coercing someone theyd be arrested. Youre using big words to describe things. Also some of the dancers gitten otc with, werent doing otc with anyone else. That means there was some mutual attraction
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2 years ago
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rickduganVerified and Certifiable Super-Reviewer
Magicrat what room did she need to pay for?
How did she get around the phone on video while asleep?
That method seems almost foolproof? A live camera feed running while she’s asleep. Shows the SO has no trust in her though
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2 years ago
How did you get the guy she cheated on u with locked up?
Is this in clubs across the us the dancers are having a tough time?
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2 years ago
Wow icee, youve posted some good pictures here. We need more.
When is the official slow season for strip clubs? May through august, when people are on summer vacation?
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2 years ago
Doc she worked at the same club for many years and was moving just 5-10 miles away each time. I dont know if leases require a 1 year minimum? I dont think shes stayed anywhere for a year straight. The frequent moving and not staying for a full year makes me wonder if shes constantly getting evicted