Yet another thread about the millstone-around-the-neck boyfriend

ilbbaicnl
Keep it in my pants when I do OTC. If I were a stripper it would stand for I like big bucks and I can not lie.
My fav has been on and off with him since high school. From what she tells me, he's not straight up cruel, just extremely opinionated, self-absorbed, and impulsive. They have never lived together. She's a generous person generally, but she doesn't let him mooch off her. He bounces between his parents and grandparents, having much drama with both. But apparently not enough drama to motivate him to get/keep a job, so he could avoid living with them. She knows the logical thing would be to ditch him once and for all. But, as most us of do sometimes, she having a hard time deciding between what her heart and her head are telling her. He's a constant irritant to her, sometimes to the extreme. But she also has many good memories with him (typically involving great sex). He sometimes gets nasty when he's jealous of her, but he's never judgmental about anyone's kinks.

If you're thinking two peas in a pod, it's not that simple. Damning with faint praise, but she's a good saver compared to most people. If it weren't for her nasty pimpish baby daddy ex (different guyt), her net worth would be in the mid to high 5 figures. (She's still in her twenties.) Her one big splurge is (horkingly much) weed. But she had too much childhood trauma for the emotional wounds to ever fully heal. She tried the prescription mood alterers she was offered, and has simply found that THC works better than them for her. (She has a med card.)

This is asking for a minor miracle, but can anyone recommend a practical first step that someone like her BF could take to start turning into a functional adult? By practical, I mean not a recommendation I could get from Nancy Reagan if she weren't dead. Given the labor shortage, are there employers who have developed programs for people like these? To help them be productive employees, in spite of their flaws?

One more thought that I use to bum my day: how greasy is it when you get kinda mentor-ish with your favs like this? If you were both naughty and mentor-ish with a woman at work that would be a possible law suit.

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Tetradon
2 years ago
Bf has to want to change. I'm dealing with a friend (male) who's just like this, self absorbed, manipulative, losing friends left and right, and thinks everyone else is the problem.

I know it sounds glib to tell her to leave him, but trying to change someone who doesn't want to change is a fool's errand.
Icee Loco (asshole)
2 years ago
If he's going from home to home. He can technically qualify as homeless and get all the welfare benefits that go with it. But that depends on the state.

Can he sell weed? A lb is as cheap as $650 and he can easily make a profit off it. It's a harmless hustle.

docsavage
2 years ago
His parents and grandparents are acting as enablers by letting him continue to live with them so he can avoid getting a job. He's still a child in an adult body. She's smart not to let him mooch off her and has already done the best thing she can do.
ilbbaicnl
2 years ago
Yeah it's not so much that I'm worried she'll get in deeper with him. Just would be the best thing for both of them if he could get out of his deep (mostly self-dug) rut. So he could be more of a positive than a negative in her complicated-enough-without-him life.

From what she's told me, sounds like his family is reaping what they sowed with his problems. He's not living totally for free, they rely on him to run various errands, to do various chores.

Since this thread is like a Dr. Phil episode, it raises the question, where is DoctorPhil? He disappeared abaout 3 months ago.
Cashman1234
2 years ago
In my view, this bf won’t change and become a functional adult until each of his enablers cuts him off. If 2 out of 3 enablers cut him off, he will just push harder on the 1 who still offers some support.

It sounds like the girl is smart and is doing as well as can be expected. Its a difficult relationship since good sex is the bright spot holding it together.

One thing that’s good is he’s not her baby daddy. That is one thing that she should make sure doesn’t happen! She’s already got one baby daddy to deal with, and an unemployed guy who thinks he’s superior to others, but who still mooches off his parents and grandparents, is not suited to be a father.

Talking about Dr Phil - there’s another TV show that I thought of - Intervention. I don’t think they do them for guys who won’t grow up and are simply economic parasites, but that’s what he needs!
Icee Loco (asshole)
2 years ago
But she still prefers him to any trick and he gets her for free. She obviously sees more in him than other men.

Calling him a loser is a self defense mechanism coz his position in her life triggers some or you.

He just needs to be forced to have some responsibilities. And to be allowed to fail and come up with solutions. Only help him when he hits rock bottom. He won't learn otherwise
nicespice
2 years ago
What are their relationship dynamics? I only ask because I have a friend who I’ve known since high school. She tends to date guys who don’t have their shit together, and she will baby them and also get on their case to straighten on them to straighten up and do more. And then when they do…off to the next guy to repeat all over. She’s definitely an usual personality type but I guess the point for the OP is idk if wading in those waters are worth it.
rickmacrodong
2 years ago
Icee youve talked about this before, the boyfriend pimp might refer to himself as a pimp but he isn’t really a pimp. The modern day boyfriend is committed to one girl, so its a completely different situation than the actual pimps who were pimping out 5, 10 or more girls.

The scenario you’re referring to, she doesnt prefer him to other men in her life. The richer guys will pay her for sexual encounters, but the boyfriend is always there for her no matter what and loyal to her. Its not that she sees more in him than other men, its that hes giving her an insane amount of unconditional loyalty and love to the point he’s tolerating her being an escort or stripper. Usually this type of guy is going to be unemployed or working a lower paying job, so he’s there for the free sex and free money, basically leeching off her.

There are exceptions, but theyre usually with the high level escorts and pornstar boyfriends. These guys might be making a 6 figure income, but their girl is able to charge $1000+ an hour for sex, so the money involved is just way too much for these guys to resist the temptation. The typical $300 or less an hour escort or stripper is more likely to have the unemployed boyfriend. In these cases it’s likely the girl has more respect for her clients than her own man. Her boyfriend isn’t actually getting free sex or free money off her. He’s giving insane loyalty, basically being her slave in exchange for it.

You’re totally mistaken thinking people are jealous of the boyfriend. He’s not getting her for free just because he’s not giving her money for sex. It is a sad state to be in for many people. Most guys wouldn’t want their girl sleeping around with other men.
Icee Loco (asshole)
2 years ago
Cacaplop you won't gave to worry about a girlfriend do uts not your problem to obsess over
san_jose_guy
2 years ago
ilbbaicnl

That series of flakey jobs, that is how life is for a lot of people now. Never having gotten the chance to develop skills and get a real education and build a career. It is our economy and our backward attitudes.

You can try to step into the middle of it for your ATF.

The organization I am building will only work with people who though they may look like that, they actually want an intense education and to live at a higher level of consciousness.

SJG
rickmacrodong
2 years ago
Icee a boyfriend pimp is nowhere near a regular pimp in skill or expertise or hardness. Boyfriend pimps are the softened modern versions of pimps since sex work is more socially and legally acceptable now. It’s the equivalent of the housewife of a rich guy whos always out with hookers or other women. If they were actual pimps they wouldn’t be a boyfriend pimp
san_jose_guy
2 years ago
BTE, a pimp is a mafia foot soldier. A ponce though works for the girl, usually an effeminate man.

https://wikidiff.com/pimp/ponce

SJG

Music Mode Edgy, School of Rock
https://youtu.be/eQp1RJtCn2U?t=3597
ilbbaicnl
2 years ago
I don't know what relationship dynamics are. From what she's says, it sounds like he's basically her emotional slot machine. Generally draining her, sometimes in large amounts, but with enough occasional jackpots to keep her from walking away. She avoids talking to me about negative stuff. She prefers to take a break from it with me, and also doesn't want to risk me feeling like I'm not getting my money's worth. The guy is deep into Q-Anon, and she somewhat buys into it too. She tried to get me into it also. I told her yes, there are certainly dark hidden relationships and agendas that shape our world. But any supposed revealers of the hidden agendas likely have their own hidden agendas, and thus aren't reliable. And, since the banality of evil is a well-established pattern, Q-Anon's "revelations" are implausible. The world's evil is much more likely set in motion by writing classified memos rather than drinking children's blood. But, if you can't "connect the dots", that means you are one of the sheeple, and you opinions are naive ones. So I can't really wade in much anyway, as she's not very open to it. I can only help when I tell her stuff where the logic of it is immediately clear. Like when she asked me if she should leave her pseudo-pimp baby daddy. I said nobody but her could decide that. And that the clearest sign that it's time to leave is when you feel like you'd still want to leave even if you were never again in a romantic relationship.
Tetradon
2 years ago
@ilb, you usually seem like a reasonable guy (even when we disagree), but I'm getting serious Captain Save-a-Hoe vibes from you.

She sounds like a psychologically weak person, between the emotional slot machine and the love of conspiracy theories.

You aren't going to fix that shit.
rickdugan
2 years ago
The more you keep posting about this chick, the less I give a shit about what her problems are. Assuming she's hot, about the only thing I'd want to hear come from that hole under her mouth is whatever I need to in order to fuck her and then send her home to her Q-Anon fuckup.

Over the years, I've learned that guys like that never change. He will be a whiny and lazy under-achiever probably for his entire life. I've also learned that silly girls like her need to learn that lesson for themselves - they won't listen to it from anyone else.

So get whatever enjoyment you can from her, but trying to get involved in her inevitably poor decision-making is both pointless and potentially counter-productive to your short-term goals.
rickdugan
2 years ago
That should have been "hole under her nose" lol.
Icee Loco (asshole)
2 years ago
Ilbbaicnl you can't help her . She'll use you as a crutch at most
rickmacrodong
2 years ago
Rick ilb is not the typical strip club client. He’s mentioned a few times he does OTC in hotel rooms which are just lapdances where he still keeps his clothes on. Supposedly he has actually turned down FS offers from girls and just sticks to otc lapdances. I dont think he has short term goals with this chick, he just wants to genuinely help her I think.
rickdugan
2 years ago
@BTE, then he's even more stupid than I thought. He wants to pointlessly wallow in her drama without any real upsides whatsoever.
docsavage
2 years ago
"Rick ilb is not the typical strip club client. He’s mentioned a few times he does OTC in hotel rooms which are just lapdances where he still keeps his clothes on."

I had an offer from a stripper once to come over to where I live and just do lap dances. I didn't have much interest because, while I like lap dances, I also like sitting and relaxing in the strip club and doing some drinking and people watching before I buy lap dances.

Lately, though, this is becoming less the case. With the worsening economy, the girls are making less money and this is causing them to be increasingly aggressive. The high-pressure sales pitches are unpleasant to me. I think this is going to backfire on them. Sitting in the strip club and relaxing is part of the experience men enjoy and if you ruin it for them they are less likely to come in.
rickdugan
2 years ago
Ah yes, ye' ol' tale of the guy who springs for a hotel room and pays lots of money for...clothed lapdances. I've heard rumor that this mythical creature exists, but I've never been able to personally verify its existence. 😉

To each his own of course. I'll never criticize how another grown man chooses to spend his cash. But given the fact that it is I almost never have to explain to a girl what I want from her at the hotel - it is normally just assumed - I'm guessing that this isn't terribly common or something a girl can pin any hopes on finding.
Icee Loco (asshole)
2 years ago
Rick. Being a trick doesn't make you superior to anyone. You have time for hookers but not to cook or to be with your supposedly great family 🤡
rickmacrodong
2 years ago
Doc I would consider something like that if there’s significant discount. Some clubs keep half of the dancers fees. If a dancer was willing to for example offer an hour of lapdance for $100 or $200 I would consider that. An hour vip in clubs can cost $600 or more.
rickmacrodong
2 years ago
Actually Ilbs profile headline even says it “keep it in my pants when i do otc”. Its some sort of a bragging thing where he respects the dancers more than people who want FS
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