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3 months ago
Also going to clubs is not anywhere near as expensive as some made it out to be.
You dont have to tip, dont sit right by the stage.
You dont have to buy yourself a drink, nor do you have to buy a dancer a drink. The drink prices are often ripoffs.
Lapdances are $25+ per song. Possibly a small entrance fee. So even for $100 you should be able to have some fun.
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3 months ago
@RTM like you concluded definitely dont go in there and spend on dances unless its like single song $30 lapdances and youre getting a couple.
A lot of strippers do offer extras, but some strippers are strippers because they have a boyfriend or SO and stripping is the limit for their relationship. 2.5k is way too much for OTC with anyone, its what richelle ryan and romi rain charge and I doubt they even get many booking’s because other ultra famous pornstars charge $1000 to $1500. You can go on eros or tryst and find tons of women as hot as your local stripper charging $400+ an hour. In fact there are many strippers who have their own listings on the escort sites.
Like others mentioned there could be many reasons for her refusing your $2500 offer. Just because you flashed it to her doesnt mean she would for sure get that money later on. That doesnt mean you should give it up front either because she could easily scam you.
Many strippers are cautious of law enforcement. She could have had safety concerns. Or it could have been a genuine no and perhaps she had a man.
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3 months ago
??? Someone posted this “ but the majority of strippers never have sex for money under any circumstances since they are strippers and not hookers.”
That’s completely incorrect. Stripping is a legal job. Escorting is a semi legal/illegal job. Strippers can always make more money from sex than just from lapdances, hence the numerous number of strippers who offer extras.
Also its funny because most hookers also work other civilian jobs. That would be like saying “X person works at a grocery store therefore they couldnt be a hooker”. There are no rules like this. In fact even people at the highest levels have done sex for money. Thats why you get stereotypes like the secretary banging her boss, manager banging their subordinate etc.
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3 months ago
Thats true, I would add in some cases if the girl is worried about the legal aspects of being too specific with what happens in VIP, she could be inclined to say generic things like itll be fun. But at the same time, the vagueness also allows her to be vague and provide poor service.
If theres an option for a single song lapdance its always better to do those to get a feel for how she could perform.
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3 months ago
A vegas waitress working at a casino is no vanilla waitress. Theres levels to waitresses and a big part of why girls dont go stripping or escorting is the legal aspects or social aspects of those jobs. There was a thread on another forum about how older men had good success at bars and with waitresses and particularly bars with lots of college girls. It has nothing to do with exceptional game or top level appearance.
Just a sidenote but even regular hookups and relationships have nothing to do with appearance on the guys end. In fact vast majority of the time you see a hot chick its with someone ugly or average or out of shape. Just like with life in general its about your status your level of wealth and in the case of p4p also how badly the woman needs money. You obviously cant directly offer $ in exchange for pussy but you can obviously word it to where its legal and socially acceptable. Its perfectly legal and socially acceptable to offer money for sex as long as its for instance paying for dinner, buying gifts, paying rent paying for vacations paying for outings etc.
Regarding weed and alcohol it all comes down to how much the government is taxing the legal versions of those things. I havent looked into the tax rates for weed and different types of alcohol but using basic economic sense, we know that the more you tax something the more people are encouraged to go to the black market. In the case of the legal Vegas brothels, they are a monopoly, and a ripoff. They’re overpriced and the women are often older and ugly. Basically you can get a much better deal for the same amount of money if you go to an escort or stripper. Of course theres more risk involved too. You can mitigate the risk by taking measures with a stripper and only going to a well reviewed escort. Just like you would take measures if buying weed
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3 months ago
Ok thats interesting but im curious why are Colombians and cubans at the top of pricing curve? Is that because a lot of them are lighter skinned/look like theyre a latina white mix? Is the higher pricing for them justified?
It’s interesting how there are some agencies for latina girls and they will price them all the same. Maybe those colombians will end up quitting sooner after they “realize their worth”
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3 months ago
That $8000 overnight is common in escorting. They may charge $1000 an hour so the overnight they charge a huge amount even though youll just be sleeping together.
Also @ilbbaicnl possibly but they have to be extremely famous. Its the fame of having millions of followers/fans that allows them to then find those sucker’s who will pay ridiculous sums of thousands of dollars just for a video call or something.
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3 months ago
@funontheside what about the colombians? It’s interesting how theres all these stereotypes of how latinas from different countries behave.
Anyway, i know a Colombian escort out in NY and she claims Venezuelan girls offer escort services for lower prices.
@tin man who is pimping the girls? Gangs, traditional pimps, agencies or husbands/boyfriends?
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3 months ago
The legal prostitution options in or technically near vegas are an absolute ripoff and a literal monopoly situation… they can basically charge absurd prices because it isnt really legal prostitution. Its legal prostitution where the providers/brothels have to jump through so many hoops to become legalized, that they have a monopoly and can charge ridiculous prices. And the girls at those brothels are nasty older women for the most part. Youd be much better off just getting a standard escort in Vegas or a stripper or one of the waitresses at a casino willing to offer extras. The monopoly scheme pricing in Nevada basically screws over the client, and allows the business owner to profit while providing poor service. Its the same as if you were to legalize weed but make it extremely time consuming and expensive for companies to legally sell weed- or only issued a limited number of licenses for them to sell weed. It wouldn’t actually resolve the problem and many people would just stick to the illegal weed.
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3 months ago
If she has a boyfriend or pimp husband I wouldn’t see her either. I would think they use protection with clients but with a bf/pimp dont use protection. So if youre eating her out you run the risk of eating a mans juices.
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3 months ago
Picking an ATF dependent on how many guys she is or isnt with doesnt make sense. That means you’re looking for possessiveness and loyalty from a girl… who doesnt owe it to you.
Too many guys nowadays are weakened, jealous, possessive, sensitive, etc. Its not a proper, or normal mentality to have. Why would you pick a strip club or an escort of all people and hope to find loyalty and possessiveness? Ive seen guys get jealous when someone else dances with a dancer they’re into. Its sad.
You are right though that i definitely wouldnt want to be licking some other mans cum off a girl, or some other mans saliva. If im seeing an escort or someone OTC, I understand and appreciate they have other clients, and im happy for them that they’re getting money. I hope and assume that they are freshening up between clients.
What you described though is one of the issues with ITC extras. Those girls arent going to be showering or cleaning each time they give a guy extras. At best theyll rinse their hands maybe wipe down some areas and maybe use mouthwash. I doubt anyone is showering between clients in the club. It would look suspicious to management/other girls too.
If a girl ITC offers these BJs finishing on the tits, I definitely wouldnt want to suck on her boobs. And I would be hesitant getting the BJ too. Id rather arrange OTC where she could be fresher.
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3 months ago
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Book GuyI write it like I mean it, but mostly they just want my money.
@rickdugan are you divorced now…? I thought you were happily married mate…
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3 months ago
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Book GuyI write it like I mean it, but mostly they just want my money.
Its not worth getting married unless the person youre marrying makes similar or greater amounts of money. For a lot of guys that comes with its own set of challenges, as they feel a working professional woman is more masculine than they feel she should be. Also modern culture promotes monogamy in relationships so you will have a hard time finding someone willing to accept going to strip clubs, getting extras etc. Additionally, even if you find someone to where divorce doesn’t become risky, child support still remains a risk no matter what. If you want to live with no restrictions and do whatever you feel like doing without being willing to compromise, marriage isnt for you. Also if youre marrying for looks thats a laughable reason to marry and doomed to fail.
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3 months ago
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CJKent_bandThe truth hurts, but if you accept it, it will set you free
Smash. Smaller boobs are because of how lean she is and her body being natural.
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3 months ago
One thing to keep in mind is even people in relationships, marriages etc often dont like their partner. Most marriages and relationships are done because the woman wants someone with status or money or both, and the man wants sex maybe money. Even in so called genuine relationships they are still done for money or status related reasons. You dont need to have both but you do need at least one.
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3 months ago
OTC should work out cheaper, or the same as ITC. No club fees involved
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3 months ago
“ One time when the dancer said that if I didn't like the dance she would refund my money. I couldn't stop laughing.”
That sounds good. I imagine her dances must have been really good?
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3 months ago
@gsteph that dancer would have had a boyfriend or SO who she probably shared her income with too. The reason for no breast touching is some women can reach orgasm from nipple stimulation alone. And so, dancers may consider that to be “cheating” if they’re non extras dancers in relationships. You can basically pimp check a girl by seeing if she allows you to rub on the pussy or the nipples. Both those things can lead to an O for the girl, so the pimped girls usually wont allow it. They may lie and claim they have pain in the area also.
review comment
3 months ago
How good was the quality of the BJ?
discussion comment
3 months ago
If its an old school pimp who has many girls he is pimping, or a gang who is pimping many girls, in those cases they might have an open menu. But nowadays the boyfriend pimp or husband pimp is increasingly common and those cases the provider will more likely have a restrictive menu because things like bbbj or kissing can be considered “cheating” in their relationship.
Also when the providers claim to be independent they do mean they dont work for an agency nor for a pimp.
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3 months ago
Whether you believe they are discriminated against or not, fact is they and many others can openly admit to using drugs or banging hookers overseas. That in itself proves its not illegal
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3 months ago
Not trolling here my friend…
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3 months ago
Btw she is 40 and is aging, and has under eye circles coming in even with makeup on. How do you think she would react if i started mentioning how im not gonna see her again because she’s aging getting older and has under eye circles. Would she want to fight? Want to send her man after me?
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3 months ago
Bf/husband becomes pimp by default.
Also she tricked me. She said its fine if i cum in her mouth. Yet as soon as i start cumming she took her mouth off and jerked me instead. With her boyfriend or pimp she might be swallowing every last drop. That makes me look bad since I paid for a service yet got subpar service.
Did you mean “hope you don’t accidentally run into her bf and start the search all over”?
And yeah for this reason i stick to GFE providers, pornstars, agency girls. There are many other gfe providers. This particular woman I paid her a higher rate than others since i only saw her every few months.
I often dont even repeat with a girl anyway unless she does CIM and swallows. That is one of the defining things that for me gets me to repeat. So with most escorts, even if GFE, its done after 1 visit. They definitely at least have to allow DATY for me to consider seeing them, and things like bbbj, fingering, DFK and CIM help get me as a repeat customer. This one was doing all those besides CIM which i guess she didnt want to do yet didnt want to admit she doesnt want to do it.
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3 months ago
Where is the Dutch sex guide? Not sure about that…