Comments by wyohio

What are the normal VIP dance prices?

Regardless of whether she’s fake or real and being compensated to post, it certainly reads like a club ad.

$150 for 15 minutes is crazy expensive for Columbus

You were direct enough for real life but not enough for SS. If you were only going in to see her the text needs to be “I will come in tonight if you are working. Let me know if you will be there.” If she doesn’t respond you don’t go. She doesn’t owe you a response, even though you dropped a lot of money on her. Once you got there the club simply lied to you to get you in. If you want OTC just text her and ask for it. If she declines (she probably will) you have any easy decision to make. If you’re ok just getting dances from her do so. If your real goal is OTC and you’re ok not getting dances from her cut her off. If she texts and asks you why you haven’t come to see her tell her directly that you’re not interested in dances with her anymore but you’d be happy to see her OTC. If you go in to see other girls smile and be nice to her but no dances. If she asks why tell her. No ghosting, no playing SS games, just be straightforward. Good luck.

How did you give the place 7’s given that description? Sounded like a pretty bad experience.

You’re too nice, I’m guilty of that at times. If a girl you know comes over and you don’t want to hang with her you give her a hug, tell her it’s great to see her and tell her you’re trying to meet some new girls. If she’s cool she’ll say no problem or ask if she can stop back by later. If she’s nasty about it you don’t have to feel bad, you’ve done all you can.

I was at Follies one afternoon this spring and they had a buffet with fresh fried chicken, collard greens and carved to order prime rib. Not sure if they regularly do that, had never seen it before or since, but it was damn tasty.

Great comments. You’re right, when I asked for comments for anyone who has had success with OTC in Atlanta I should have specifically asked the going rate. From your profile you have a lot more experience at this than I do, is your quoted 20 to 30% success rate true across the board?

I totally get it and agree with you. There are a million variables that go into the equation but if it doesn’t happen it always equates to the fact that the girls risk+time is less than her potential gain. It’s all a hustle but the math is not hard. There are also plenty of clubs where girls are happy to do OTC for the right price, which is why I’m asking if any fellow PL’s have had success with it at this club, or if I should just enjoy the table dances and waste time.

Duh, but besides that ;-)

No idea how difficult it would be but agree that a multiple drop down or filter feature would help. It’s not the end of the world but it’s much nicer to be able to view just a city in questions vs a whole state.

Don’t let them shame you Scluva, it’s your decision what $ amount you’re willing to go to bat for. Doesn’t mean you don’t have a sack, but I wouldn’t say you were robbed, you willingly paid what she was asking.

That sounds right Rick, I suspect that finding a compliant venue while under scrutiny is the issue. Too bad, I really liked the place, there were a couple of dancers I’ll definitely miss.

Lido is a members only club that rents venues in NYC, typically a setup with a bar and a separate area where they can put couches for lap dances. Seems to be pretty above board, i.e. not an extras type place, but not sure what the licensing and zoning implications are. They put out a message Thurs of last week indicating the event was cancelled for that night due to 'a scheduling conflict', but that Friday and Saturday events (at different locations) were still on as scheduled. They put out another message Saturday afternoon that the event for that night was cancelled due to 'a substantial renovation', but events would continue the next week. No messages with locations for events this week have come out, which would support your report of a police bust, but I haven't been able to find any news of such by searching the web.

Thanks much, that’s good advice. My experience tends to be similar to yours, it’s more feel than anything, but I think your rule of thumb is a good one. I tend to find that girls who push themselves really hard up front fail to deliver, but I have had exceptions and as you stated, seems that the best way to check is to ask for what you want and either get a firm answer or pass. I’ve also had standoffish dancers in the front turn out to be really good, but have never had a dancer who objects to me being hands on in the front turn out to be what I want. I tend to try to build rapport in the front as my favorite experience is when things really click and a good conversation over a beer turns into her being all over me in dances, but if I’m honest with myself, that spark (real or acting on her end) is either there after a few minutes or it’s not, I don’t know how to manufacture it. I think my biggest area for improvement is self discipline and really recognizing what works for me. If I find a girl attractive but feel like I’m doing the heavy lifting in maintaining a conversation, cut it off and just try her for dances. Unless it’s a complete air dance, which is very rare, I never consider a couple of dances a waste of money. I also have to get better at cutting off very average dances after a song or two. I’m too apt to let it stretch on in hopes that it gets better, especially with girls I find really attractive or like their personality. I’ve had dances start Good and move to great with more songs, but I’ve never had things move from mediocre to very good. Sorry for the rambling, I appreciate the advice.

@papi - agree on the experience vs eye candy so long as the girl is “hot enough”. Let’s say you have three hours to work with, you don’t know any of the girls at the club you’re at, you’re unlikely to be back, and you have plenty of money to spend. How do you go about identifying the girl or girls that you think you’ll have a great time with? Is it just trial and error or do you use some other system?

@warrior, of course, that makes sense, but how do you fish? If you don’t know the girls do you always go after the hottest girl in the club or do you look for something else?

@subra, agree, a six is in the eye of the beholder, that’s why I used the term “hot enough”. That level will vary by PL but to me it’s the lowest level of attractiveness at which you’d be willing to spend your time. And yes, to me a girl has to be hotter to warrant a SC 6 than she would need to be to warrant a Civie 6.

I think the right response if she says that’s the set and asks if you want to keep going is “Let’s finish the 5 for $100”. In doing so you ignore her bs statement that the set is over, let her know your expectations and give her the option to either do what she’s supposed to or continue her bs hustle. If she keeps going she knows you’ll call her on her SS and everything is cool. If she presses on the 3 for $100 I’d pay her and let her know not to approach you again. Trying to fight over the $40 at that point isn’t worth the drama to me and $40 is a low price to pay to identify an ROB.

Well stated Papi, thanks for taking the time to read and respond.

Yeah, unfortunately I think that’s right Paul. Other than walking away the only precaution I can think of at this point is being careful with any email trail and as other have suggested, no money up front.

Despite your annoyance RM, probably good advice re overthinking it and just being direct. Unfortunately for the people I work with, I’m the boss so they have to listen to my shit all the time ;-)

Fair enough, you’re probably right

I’d suggest that when I apologize in advance in sentence #3 for the length that that would have been your cue to stop reading if you’re not interested :-)

Thanks for the feedback Paul. I would be open to a regular OTC arrangement and the money for that is not an issue. The risk/downside for me is significant, which is why I’m concerned about walking into a scam. If it’s not a scam, but rather someone legitimately looking for an OTC funded arrangement I may be willing to live with the risk. Your advice on not to forget what’s at stake is well heard, I had a buddy who dated a SC bartender / occasional dancer, they both caught feeling (him of lust, her of $) and he started telling her he was going to leave his home situation to be with her full time. When he backed out multiple times she burnt everything to the ground.