Comments by Beat100 (page 4)

@Nasty Great response man. I always wondered why these guys were always adamant on using any form of money even paying for a girl's drink. Slowly I realize most of this groups are filled with broke dudes, unemployed, young guys working at fast/food. It's annoying they have a loud voice online since they influence the perception of the average person who is not in their shoes. I remember, this PUA student paid $1000 for a bootcamp but he wouldn't pay for a girl's uber, since he read online you shouldn't do that. Unsurprisingly he didn't get laid.

@Iceyloco I appreciate your post. Like you said, "they are very vocal." If you go to any large website like youtube you will see guys making tons of videos if you say anything the breaks their sacred belief they will downvote you, Nofap is overrated. I'll watch porn every once in a while but I don't obsess over it. Among other topics.

Awesome, thanks a lot so I guess if you buy her food your chances go even higher.

In all my times in the club this would be my first time buying girls drinks(the pua community haha) but I'm seeing this is the way to approach it.

I see bro, I guess I have an idea on how to approach this. My last questions is, can I just meet a dancer and tell her, "Hey let's go somewhere quiet to talk for a bit, I'll buy you a drink."? It seems you and your buddies are doing more of having a large social table and having multiple girls over etc. I mostly roll solo so I don't go with my buddies. I wonder if there' a different since you have "social proof" or it might no matter after a few visits.

Excellent reply man, I'm very enlightened now. I guess some follow-up questions: 1-What percentage of OTC's yours and of other guys are mostly then being regulars vs then going to the club and playing a numbers game? What have you heard so far?(I know you have a very specific strategy but I'm curious what you've heard from others guys) 2-Has there ever been a time where you bought drinks for a girl a bunch of days and she didn't want to OTC? I remember, one time there was a guy who kept spending money and had a girl drinking with him but he ended up empty-handed. Would you say after two times trying it two hours each and nothing has happened to move to another girl? (For instance, say I spend $40 on drinks 1st time then another $40 next, and then move? My thing is I don't want to be throwing money and be empty-handed. 3-I read your SA on flakiness, it finds it very interesting since at least in my experience with SA i had good experiences, I would say 7-8/10 will meet up(Yes, I agree there have been a few strippers). So I'm guessing OTC would be pretty much a done deal 9/10 they'll meet up, of course, if done correctly. 4-From what I gather you arrange to meet them the next day. Would you say during daytime or nighttime? Like going on "date" then straight to your place? Or just get them to your place for drinks..etc? I'm guessing the latter. 5-At least,how I see it now it depends on the club since some club seem more open and other harder, especially the smaller. But we'll see, I'll try it at different clubs. 6-Do you let the dancers sleep over? Or too risky? Seems like the other guy who wrote on this was super careful but he was also a tourist..etc. I guess its a very different situation. Thanks a lot bro, I have an idea how to proceed now.

@Subraman Spot on, man. I had a friend add me to one of those groups. I saw a completely different culture than the one in tuscl and other more mainstream groups. Check your pm's and articles, I left some questions, thoughts, and comments.

@misterorange Haha, I agree. I was just throwing out ideas.

I think there should be a PL's private area as well. I believe in gender equality and guys should have a place to speak their mind not only of being customers for dancers but of types of sex workers. I'm been in those types of groups in which customers have more power since if someone is giving them a hard time they'll support each other and won't be with that a girl who is giving poor treatment.

@Dave_Anderson Maybe, I'm idealizng, however, when I see bands like Guns and Roses at stripclubs it seems like a fun time. While now with the millennials and gen Z there are all these weird movements from incels to mgtow that are obsessed with getting validation from women more so than sex. Truly two generations which should be forgotten.

Bonus Questions: 17-What if a girl is with her friends, while dancer might be competitive with each other sometimes they are in groups. I remember, I was a club where 3-4 girls left together. Would you be clear to her, "I only want to meet up with you?" `18-Does it matter if you are with a friend and it'll be more likely she'll come? Or it doesn't matter? 19-There's a time where the dancer will change her outfit and then head to leave the club. However, sometimes the receptionists and security will not let you leave together(I went once with my stripper friend) therefore, how would you overcome this? Would you be waiting for her at the corner, how have you guys done it? Haha, so many questions but at least this could help guys in the future that have an interest in the topic.

All of these sounds amazing! However, there are so many logistical issues that can come up. Initially, I thought it was a shot in the dark, however, it seems like it's easier than that. 1- Do you pick a specific date that seems more likely that will happen? For instance I realized that during the week its better than the weekend. Since during the week there's low volume of people there's no tourists maybe try on a Tuesday,Wedneday Thursday? 2- Do you pick a specific time? Like you show up at 3am when the club is about to close? Or would you show up very early to convince the girl to leave before more people come and it'll be less likely that she'll remember you? 3-Or do you focus much more on the girl's shift? For instance, in some clubs from what I'm told girls have to stay until 2am but then afterward they can leave. Or other girls have an afternoon shift and it ends in the early night. 4-Do you pick specific clubs that you know will be more conducive to OTC? Maybe non-alcohol clubs? 5-Do you pick a specific dancer that seems more prone to do OTC? Maybe, she's by herself, slightly older or younger? 6-Do you drink with the dancer to get to know her? How long did you spend with her? 7-How do you know the girl you'd made a connection with a girl that's she'll want to meet you? Seems that the ones I met were either in hustler mode or very friendly in that she'll tell you anything as long as you are spending money, afterward she'll be nice to you but distant. 8-At what time are you doing this? Like very late into the night or midway through? It seems like if you do it too early the girl will completely forget about you. 9-Say I drink briefly with her and then do a lapdance, I could say, "Hey you seem really cool, I have an after-party going to my hotel, good drinks, good drugs. Let's exchange numbers and try to meet. 10-How would you do this discreetly without the bouncers trying to intimate you? I had it where I was a club and the bouncer told me to "cool it." It was my first time at that club and the girl starts kissing me..etc. 11-How much does it matters if you are regular? Once you are a regular it's most likely the bouncer will ignore or acknowledge you.etc. 12-Where would you meet her? I remember when I was in Sapphire once you go outside there's a lot of people groups, where someone could easily get lost? Do you tell her to meet me across the street? At a specific spot? Some clubs don't have that though it's just an empty parking lot. 13-Some clubs have the bouncer waiting that every girl gets in the cab at least the first time of the night, I think this was Sapphire when I was there. How would you avoid that? 14-Some girls, the one's the leave early since to not look at anyone and simply get in a cab and take off. 15-Get your car or uber to wait for you outside away from the ruckus that it's the pick-up station. 16-MOST IMPORTANT: Would you say its a numbers game or connection game? Like you try to invite as many dancers as you can and ONE will mee you or do you try to become a regular with one girl maybe go on a Monday then on a Wedneday hence the girl remembers you and its most likely to come meet you. If anyone would like to create an infled on how they pulled it off it'll be great haha. The thing is there's a lot of incorrect knowledge out there because of PUA's so its hard to tell what will work.

Nevermind its inside the club.

@Papichulo What is ITC?

@subraman @george I meant FWB. For instance, a girl you hook up with and see from time to time. Not tha you are in exclusive, committed relationship.

@Subraman Excellent advise. I see most PUA's try things out and then regurgitated what others say. Hence, most will say, "You can't break of the customers frame." Therefore, they'll move on if a girl starts asking them for a lapdance..etc.

@rickdugan Great story Rick. I was in a similar spot but I didn't become that jealous since I was also seeing another girl. Iframe it as, "this is one of the girls I'm seeing. No this is my future serious GF or wife" Do you think if you were seeing someone else would it have made things differently?

@ PinkSugarDoll Agree. If you don’t mind me asking what kind of guys did you date? Did they know about your job?

Dancer SB's seem to be the best at extracting money from guys. I've met regular SBs who have much lower expectations. I'd say be on the look out for the next one.

@Bavarian Do you think this phenomenon is moreso in America? I noticed some girls here do not like men. They could be lesbians and only doing this part-time.

@george Could you expand? How did your wife agree to that arrangement? I read some of your post and it seems that your wife is more o submissive but even then woman would get jealous..etc

@Warrior Agreed. Honestly, I find it that most American guys should be more open to this lifestyle. Especially since in the younger generation we see a big disparage. In one hand, you have incel guys who watch porn and play video games while on the other you have American girls who are doing everything from hooking up with sugar daddies, club promoters, photographers, filmmakers..etc. I think they should live their own live. But the guys should do their own thing.

Conclusions: Once we go onboard with the paid apps we started to get way more hits and lead a much better dating life..etc.

It's crazy that you guys have a bad experience in SA, since as a guy I had the complete opposite experience.

@iceyloco I agree with most of your points.