What are your thoughts on the current state of dating and its future?
Roosh said that back in the day, when he was younger 20 years ago, you could go to a bar and talk to a girl and have a reasonable chance that she would want to meet up with you for a date. PUA techniques worked because all you needed to do was be confident, approach, talk, and act standard. Nowadays, he found that to be impossible. Roosh was writing in 2015!The most competitive guys who used to do PUA have switched from Cold Approaching to building an Instagram brand. Many of my friends are trying to become "famous" on IG to leverage that fame. Note that this group consists of highly motivated guys, and not everyone will spend money, time, and effort to doing this.
Meanwhile, a lot of the masses are becoming incels, which is a negative development. Since it could post problems while and others are taking the "Blackpill."Under the "Blackpill," there are a lot of different subgroups under these umbrella terms. However, their idea is that they won't be able to change their situation; PUA is a scam and either going to move abroad to date(locationmaxxing) or start using escorts. The latter, which I do think is a positive development. I had a friend told me that it is becoming more common for younger men to lose their virginity to escorts. It's interesting since it seems like the "whoremongering" lifestyle is more for the older crowd, so its interesting to how it could impact dating.
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It's human nature for men and women to wanna get together - most women want an S.O. in their lives it's just that most females (no matter the species) tend to be selective w.r.t. choosing an S.O. - reality is that guys that can't find a suitable S.O. usually has to do w/ the guy's shortcomings vs "something being wrong w/ women"
Girls were never that easy to approach cold, either then or now. When bar hookups did happen, alcohol often played a role, just like it does today. And if you looked like the Elephant Man 20 years ago, your luck was going to be about the same as it is today.
And like today, odd balls who didn't know how to talk to women, or were simply too fat and/or ugly for things to ever go easy for them, also existed. They just didn't have online forums to bitch and commiserate on like they do today.
Here's my advice fwiw: If you are simply striking out, figure out what you're doing wrong. Get more practice interacting socially.
Spend extra time in the gym. There's nothing that will change things like mental defects (including autistic tendencies) or a fucked up mug, but at least you can improve your chances somewhat by looking better and learning to simulate normal behavior.
You're welcome. 😉
Although most of the women I've been attracted to over the years have commented that I'm smart, funny, athletic, easy to get along with and certainly not ugly, they've also been unanimous in seeing me as a friend or a brother and not a dating prospect. Most of my friends over the years are flabbergasted that I can't seem to hook up. I apparently have no game and no finishing skills. :) I've definitely proven over the years that I absolutely can't tell the difference between when a woman likes me and when she LIKES me. I guess wrong every single time! :)
I've had exactly 1 true girlfriend in my life, when I was 18. Several instances of thinking I had (or was on the way to having) a girlfriend for a few weeks before the truth became obvious. And several where she thought something was going on, but I knew immediately it wasn't there, yet hung on for a week or 2 just in case it was just taking a long time to click. Actually doesn't bother me that much anymore. To be honest, I'm very picky. I learned a long time ago, better to be with-out an S.O. than to be with one you aren't happy with.
I agree with you on the Roosh it seems a lot of the girls where either Couchsurfing hippie types or suspicious.
Could you expand on the bottle service VIP comment? Do you think most of the girls on the table escort? There's probably a system in place..etc.
I may be different in that I can do the sex part and hanging out quickly but I take "girlfriend" as something a bit more than a casual hookup.
I guess as I have aged, I tend to meet women that are hearing the biological clock running fast. I'm not opposed to an LTR but don't seek it as things are starting. I'm happy and content as I am but enjoy the company of women. I just won't force anything.
Its not about women its about you. Would you want a female version of yourself? If not work on yourself.
Roosh goes to poor countries and pays hoes. He's ugly and misogynistic. They don't go for his charm nor looks.
In expensive clubs when you get bottle service you can pay your host to bring known hookers to your table. In some clubs hostesses and waitresses are available if you have enough $$$. At most clubs in Vegas or LA for example an hour or 2 before closing you get hookers coming in trying to hook it rip off drunk guys before last call
Mrs Stud found some crazy texts on my sons phone a few years back from a girl we knew that she said were obscene and very graphic about what she was going to do to/with him. Mrs Stud thought it was terrible. I played along, but I believe it’s pretty normal.
This. Lots of people still date, still fall in love and still get married. Sorry to say it, but the guys on here are saying a lot of the same shit that lonely guys were saying 25 years ago, blaming changing times as the reason that women don't want them. The reality is that there is nothing new about a certain % of guys struggling more than others.
I'm going to try to be a little nicer as I finish this off. If you are struggling to find romance, it's a YOU thing. I say this not to be an asshole, but rather to promote personality responsibility and ownership of your own problems, which is the first step towards meaningful corrections.
Nature gives us the instinctual ability to read and process a multitude of conscious and subconscious inputs from someone of the opposite sex. Much of this is biological and behavioral. If a guy keeps getting rejected over and over, it's because there is something off about him that makes him a less desirable mate. Sometimes these issues are fixable or can be overcome by behavioral changes, but first you need to acknowledge the problem before you can hope to do something about it.
Things like shyness or approach anxiety can be worked on. And anyone can work out and look better. Have better hygiene etc.
On the other hand jf you fuck pillows are into pegging want to treat women like things and not people can't empathize etc you have more work....and can in no way blame anyone but yourself.
Meeting women is easy. Theyre everywhere. Be the kind of man women want to meet
Same thing that attracted women 20, 30, 50 yrs ago is the same thing that attracts them now: confidence, humor, personality, connection, resources etc. Looks too, but there's a difference between looking good and being good looking.
Develop attractive qualities. Hint: bitching about how dating's changed and how nobody will give you time of day isn't one.
NAAAASTY
I agree with most of your points.
I could have been married 10 times over by now but I have eyes, ears and a brain. I learn from the mistakes of other people in my life. Very few of my friends and families marriage seems to get better over time. Many are much worse. Being alone is awesome, being in the wrong relationship is so incredibly lonely.
There’s no point in being in a relationship.
Women are being chased by too many cocks and they will cheat eventually.
sure it's a skill set that has to be developed just like learning a job, craft, instrument, etc. but the majority of guys for the most part don't find the chase to be an enjoyable experience, whether made in vain or not. if anything it's a real royal pain in the ass. been there done that. just being happy to hand out some bills for a ball draining experience is good enough. this saves time and effort too, which can be then used to cultivate other more rewarding interests.
Another newsflash: women are just as insecure, psychologically fucked up, and clueless about the opposite sex as men are, so don't take rejection personally. The difference is, a man who is a natural 3 can, with hard work and humility, make himself a 7. A woman who is a natural 3 can maybe make herself a 4. (Hint, ladies: Skip the mall, hit the gym. We don't care about your Louis Vuitton purse. And we prefer a simple woman who makes us feel like a king to a high powered lawyer who has traveled to 100 countries who doesn't.)
The dating "game" changes constantly, too. I don't do social media, so fuck Instagram or Twitter or Snapchat game. I loathe bars and clubs, so 86 those too. Know who you are and what maximizes it. If you're a good-looking idiot and social butterfly, maybe bars and clubs are great for you. I'm an introverted, decent looking but whip-smart MF, so the more traditional online dating sites have worked wonders.
Note what I didn't mention in there--strip clubs. An artificial setting for some fun conversations and dances/extras if that's your bag, but the social dynamics in no way resemble reality. In my life, at least, it serves a completely different purpose.
Complaining is one thing, but this never-ending search for outside factors to blame is getting ridiculous, for all the reasons I discussed. Anyone who does this is not taking as much ownership of his own limitations as he seems to believe because there are plenty of other guys not having this much trouble.
Even today, a solid majority of women want relationships. Being alone, especially over the holidays, is no fun for almost anyone. It's simply a matter of making yourself a guy that some of these women actually want.
NAAAASTY
Women fall fast and hard when they find you attractive