Comments by Pole_Doc (page 4)

@sclvr5005: Allow me to be clear. The statements made in my last paragraph have NOTHING to do with me thinking, or hoping "I still might have a shot." You must not have understood the things I wrote. I've lost quite a bit of respect for this woman, as a person. That has less to do with her sexuality and EVERYTHING to do with her inability to keep her word. As for her being bi, that is mainly the point I was trying to make. Remember what I said about her reminding me of a closeted gay person, in reverse? Perhaps you should go back and read it again. Your commentary gives me the impression you failed to understand what I composed. @Jerikson40: You may need to go back and read my story again as well. I clearly stated that it was AFTER the harsh breakup with her ex (a stud/butch) that she decided to try men. This girl has been fucking other girls since middle school. The statements in my last paragraph are simply based on the LOGIC that if you're a woman who achieves orgasm via penetration (especially in the ass), and you are attracted to masculinity, why not just be with a man? Even this girl had to admit, "Ain't nothing like the real thing, Baby!" Now, I'm not trying to say that's how it's supposed to go between gay women. I don't understand that and ain't tryna understand it (Like I said, "That shit ain't normal!") but what I'm saying only makes sense! IT'S LOGICAL.

@JohnSmith6: You forget I suggested (among other things) swingers clubs yesterday.

I find it confusing and irritating. One thing for sure, the shit ain't normal!!! I was involved with a very attractive, "femme," so-called lesbian. I say "so-called" because as I've posted before, she's come to the realization she also likes DICK. When I first met her, she was dating a guy on the rebound from a harsh break up with a (stud/butch) woman. She knew nothing about dating men but decided women were no longer for her. Very skillfully, I was able to squeeze my way into the view of her attention and she began to find me more appealing than the guy she was seeing. He eventually became history. Things were humming along between us quite well and then, her ex- girlfriend (the harsh breakup) began coming back into the picture. She eventually went back that way. As she explained it to me, "It's that dominance that gets me!" Apparently, the "studs" tend to be quite aggressive in their approaches and that's what the "femmes" like. What I didn't like, though, was how "secretive" we had to be about our dating relationship (or even the friendship that followed) after that. It was as though her gay friends could never know she ever tried DICK, or was friends with a straight man, and God forbid if the girlfriend ever found out! I'm not saying we should've been broadcasting our business to the world but the last time I was involved in that level of secrecy, I was in high school. I'm a grown ass man who lives boldly! I am who I am and not afraid to be myself. She seemed to be living two different lives (hypocritical/duplicitous). She reminds me of a closeted gay person, in reverse (afraid to come out about being bi or possibly even potentially, eventually straight). I didn't like that. I played along for a while, though, for her sake. At the time, she had my loyalty and respect. With me, she seemed honest about her sexuality, telling me that she doesn't want to limit her options in that area, or anything else in life. She would also admit to not being able to come clean about it with her gay friends. She even went as far to say once, "I don't even like the (black) gay community. It's too small, here in Atlanta, and everyone knows everyone else and is in everybody else's business!" Anyway, we eventually fell out. The day came when I needed her to have my back (health related) and after all her empty promises to be there, she let me down. It was the most insensitive thing I had ever experienced in my life! After that, my loyalty began to wane and the respect I once had for her disappeared. I felt/feel no need to be secretive any longer. The loyalty that once kept my mouth shut was no longer there. I shared my experience and she found out about it. She no longer wished to continue our friendship after that. She thinks I'm trying to "expose" her (she's very self-centered and would think it's all about HER). However, from my point of view, it's not about exposing her as much as it being about doing "me." I'm a person of many experiences. This is only one of them. I have the right to share my experiences with whomever I please. After all, they're mine. Personally, I think a femme who wants a butch ain't really gay, especially if she gets off by penetration! She's kidding herself to think otherwise.

I keep everything. I'm the type who remembers faces but not names. I was once interested in hooking up with a new stripper who was suddenly fired, shortly after giving me her number (I had no clue). By the time I got around to using her number, it was no longer working. I finally made my way back to the club, to learn she no longer worked there. Months went by, before I finally saw her again working at another club. I had no idea what her name was (forgot) and she didn't appear to remember me. While she was doing her stage set, I looked frantically through my phone. I knew if I saw the name, I would remember and recognize it. When I finally was able to call her over to dance, she seemed relaxed and impressed that I was able to call her by name. She began vaguely remembering when we first met and giving me her number. She immediately updated me with her new number and we had sex later that same day (evening). I believe holding on to that name in my phone did in fact help things along.

$300 to a bouncer? Is your intent to fuck him or the stripper? 😂😂😂😂

@jerikson40, See, here you go again: "... the vast majority of guys on this board really act like fucking morons ... it becomes clear that this is fucking 3rd grade." In all fairness to all who may choose to respond to these types of comments, you sound as though you're in a position of superiority. Now, granted, to some extent, you may very well be stating fact. However, that being said, it is unfair to pass total judgement on comments people make, when they feel as though they are under attack! When you are condescending towards others, it is only natural for them to become defensive. When people say off the wall things in response, you can't totally blame them. Again, if your sincere attempt is to be helpful, you should be able to see where I'm coming from. It was Frantz Fanon who said, "Mastery of Language Affords Remarkable Power." From your writing, it is clear to me you are educated and a man of erudition. Surely you can take the time to think about the words you post, before declaring them. Then there is also, of course, Mom's aged old advice, "If you don't have anything good to say, it is perhaps best to say nothing at all. " I'm gonna work with you, @jerikson40. I think you really want to be helpful. We just need to work on your tact.

@jerikson40: Again, you are, of course, correct in your assessment of how things work, in general, between strippers and their OTC customers. I don't think anyone disagrees with you on any of it. However, you seem to be missing the point. I, like you, am aware of the stats and posses quite a bit of the same knowledge. However, the difference in our respective approaches is that I choose not to beat people over the head with it. To do so can come across abrasively and rub people the wrong way. If your true intent is to be helpful, insulting someone's intelligence isn't the way to go about it. The first thing I try to remember, when making my posts, is that I'm not the only person with sense (and that I'm still relatively new). I take into account that there are those, in this forum, every bit as experienced and knowledge (or even more so) as I. Unless someone gets specific with me about something, I do not assume ignorance. I see all as my equal, until proven otherwise. You have a condescending tone that causes people to become defensive. Although I appreciate your candor, you must realize not everyone has a thick skin. I've been misunderstood the majority of my life. As a result, I've developed an affinity for people and things given to misunderstanding and preterition. I believe you mean well and probably fall into this category. Therefore, I'm taking the time, in reaching out to you this way, asking that you consider some of the things I'm pointing out to you. The next time someone asks for date suggestions, just stick to the script and give him what he asks for. Do not assume he doesn't already know the things you've pointed out. Just stick to providing the information requested. I'm sure JohnSmith6 is a big boy and can take care of himself.

@gawker: Way to go, Dude! I remember the first date with my CF. It wasn't planned at all. After her shift, one Saturday night (Sunday morning), we met at a nearby IHOP, where she watched me eat everything in sight (I was starved)! She refused to let me order any food for her, because she was determined to lose weight and at the time was on some strict diet, as a result (she had hot chocolate only - I think). Anyway, afterwards, we went to a Wal Mart down the street, where she proceeded to ask if there was anything I wanted (Not really a grand gesture, considering she had an EBT card). I, of course, gratefully declined her offer. After that, we both went home. The first date really doesn't have to be anything grand at all. @Shadowcat: As usual, you are right on point! I appreciate your posts - very insightful!

@jerikson40: Of course, you're right and to be clear my CF is not my girl. However, that doesn't justify voicing a negative opinion about a situation you know nothing about. As for determining how "real" she is, it's probably best to NOT lead with the wallet. In most cases, when I've started off paying her, that is the extent of where it goes. I see your point and I too hate to see guys made into suckers. However, it takes a while for some guys to learn those truths and even longer to learn the skills of discernment required to determine what's fake from real.

@jerikson40: "You are guaranteed money to me, and that is all." True Dat! In most cases, this truly is all that's going on. No one here is gullible enough to not know this. However, there are aberrations. I'm sorry you've yet to be so lucky.

@jerikson40: How can you say, "... And neither are you?" You're attempting to use my own words, initially directed at you, against me. However, your point is moot, seeing how I never attempted to voice an opinion on the matter; you did. The man asked for dating suggestions and that is what I gave him. You began raining in his parade and I addressed your comments as being infelicitous. What the fuck are you talking about? As for your negative attitude, it is obvious to me that you speak from experience (paying strippers for sex). As I will never deny being guilty of paying strippers for sex, I can also honestly say all of my sexual experiences with strippers have varied. As already stated, my CF (pictured with me in my profile) and I have never done anything sexual for money. My point is this. When it comes to strippers, every girl and situation is different. You don't know what the situation is between this guy and his CF. Don't hate on someone else, because your personal experiences, thus far, have limited you to a myopic view of strippers. If paying strippers is all you've experienced, don't assume all of us are as limited in our respective experiences. Some of us actually get lucky sometimes and are able to form personal relationships with them. You should try it!

@sailmd: LOL!!

@jerikson40: Yea, and that's the objective of dating... Getting to know each other for the purpose of potentially building one (relationship). Again, you don't know what you're talking about! Unless, you know the two of them personally, by name, and you're equally familiar with the idiosyncratic intricacies of their friendship, you're not qualified to have an opinion worthy of merit, Sir!

These are all things I've done with success: Dinner - Try sushi. I've found the art of eating raw sushi is something many strippers are ignorant of. If she's Bi and makes her face up about the fish being raw, a good pussy eating joke usually helps with that. Horseback Riding - Make sure she likes horses though. Comedy Club - Nothing like humor to break the ice. Six Flags Amusement Park - This can either make or break the chemistry between you, so be sure you really like her and able to hold her attention through conversation. Gun Range - Idk... There's something about guns that strippers see as a turn on (I agree with Gawker) Strip Clubs - Only if she's bi and freaky and only if you go hopping to different ones in a single evening... If you're lucky, you may get a threesome (been there, done that). The key is to shut the fuck up and let it happen! Let her do all of the talking. You're just there to buy drinks. Swingers Club - Nothing like watching other ppl fuck to get the juices flowing. Concert - Make sure the artist is someone you both can enjoy, even if she's unfamiliar with their music. My CF loved Jill Scott at Chastain. Before I go, let me say something directed @jerikson40. In my opinion, your comments are infelicitous. You don't know enough about his relationship with this girl to draw the conclusions you have. As you've already admitted, you are being negative and I think it wrong of you to dampen this guy's spirits. The truth is, when it comes to strippers, every situation is different. My CF and I have NEVER exchanged money for sex. Our OTC friendship has never been based on that. To be clear, YES, I HAVE FUCKED HER but money does not and never has played a part in any of it. It truly depends on the girl and the situation. Hey, Man, have fun on your date!

@Shadowcat: I wouldn't necessarily say anyone is doing anything "wrong," I just think it probably has more to do with where you frequent. I've found that each club has its own culture/vibe. Find the one that's right for you. Also, remember, I favor black clubs. It has been my experience that the mileage is MUCH higher in these places, than it is in their white counter-parted establishments. The clubs in Atlanta where I've consistently received the highest mileage are: Babes - Anytime day or night Blue Flame - Make sure you've got the right girl! Wax - Bikini club. Any girl giving air here is playing you! Blaze - Check out "Dick Row" at the downstairs bar! Foxy Lady - A total dump! The girls aren't the best looking but you're going to get mad contact! PLEASERS - Been a while but contact is good. Just make sure you've got clarity on the costs of dances. I hear they've established a new "schizophrenic" policy ($5 only at certain days/times) Pin Ups - Best on the weekends. They are open until 8a! The later you get there, the better. I've been spoiled by these places. They've made it so if I step foot into a different club, whose culture I'm unfamiliar with (especially white), I feel almost out of place. Truth be told, I've had sex, while sitting at the bar, in each of the establishments named (except Blue Flame - it was by their dressing room and Pin Ups - in a corner on the main floor, during regular day shift). That's how good the mileage has been! However, that has more to do with the girl than the club.

@ Chandler: Whoever told you there was no LDing in the ATL is a liar and the truth isn't in him! You need to read my 1st post under The New World Order discussion. As for Columbia, SC and Greenville, sure you can get anything you want, in just about any strip club in America. However, the question is: how long before your money runs out? I've been to clubs in these cities. There is no comparison to the ATL. Some ATL girls go to these cities, thinking the grass is going to be greener. For a while it appears that way. However, they end up right back in the ATL. You know why? It's a simple issue of math and economics. Atlanta has a steadier flow of Ballers. Besides, it doesn't matter where you go; every club in America goes through its share of ebb and flow. Some girls are slower to get it than others but then again, a lot of strippers tend not to be good at math anyway :). Ask yourself this ... If you have a choice to work in a club where there is a consistent flow of $5 dances coming all night, versus one where there is moderate patronage, the dances are $30, and at the end of the night all you got were 4 table dances, plus the $1 tips everyone's been stuffing in your panties all night, which choice would you make? I can tell you what most girls tend to choose: $30 dances! They also weigh in that they don't have to "do as much," because the girls in those clubs don't get completely nude. Why that would make any difference to a STRIPPER is totally beyond me. You're a stripper, not a librarian. Take it off, or don't. What difference does that make, as long as you're making that cash flow! Strippers like bright, shiny, new shit (bells and whistles). The problem with this is so do children. Children are also attracted to, and distracted by, bright, shiny, new things. However, once they find out that everything glittering isn't gold, strippers like children (hopefully), discover how specious their logic is. Bottom line: I don't care how expensive a club makes their dances per song, ain't NOBODY making no money if NOBODY (or close to no one) comes in there to pay it. Do these clubs have their moments? Sure (ebb and flow); however, from a long term perspective, it makes more mathematical sense to work at the club where the cash flow is most consistent. It's based on the logic of the Tortoise and the Hare fable - "Slow and Steady Wins the Race." Far too often, some strippers tend to get caught of in that "Hare" mentality.

Sorry ... I forgot to add: It is rarely possible (and unrealistic to expect) for a stripper to be monogamous. For real ... NOW, I'm done!

CORRECTION: On July 21st, I wrote the following, as a part of a post: "I was once very interested in a relationship with this particular girl but after seeing the way she treated the girlfriend, it became clear to me she lacks the maturity required to be in a monogamous relationship (it also doesn't help that she's a stripper who's in love with money)." The word "monogamous" should be replaced with "committed." This is what I meant to say. After all, it is possible to engage in a committed relationship that is non-monogamous, provided, however, that all adult parties involved are in agreement and AWARE of all things sexual. This type of "open" relationship is what usually works best with strippers (been there, done that). The point I was making about this particular girl is that she is duplicitous and incapable of that type of honesty. NOW, I have nothing further to add.

@whissper7: I live in the ATL and I KNOW what I'm talking about. You DON'T want to visit Follies (not unless you want to spend more money for low mileage). I've been there a number of times and never really was comfortable (always felt as though I was being watched). Also, the girls, to me, seem a bit pushy about hustling dances out of you. Now, in all fairness, you were given pretty good information about the quality of the girls and the change in demographic, after 8p. The girls are hot ... but so is the case at any number of other clubs in ATL. I'm not sure what you're looking for, exactly, or where your priorities lie. However, I will give you a list of suggestions and you can read up on the reviews for yourself. BTW, you should know that I'm partial to black clubs (way more mileage). Therefore, most of my expertise lies there. However, I can still, and will, make recommendations, based on my experience and word of mouth. Club Chetah The Goldrush Riley's Showbar Fannie's Follies (Again, if you're looking for $10, low mileage dances). Tattle Tails (not sure at all about this at all but I seem to remember hearing something about it, some time ago. I think it's in Buckhead) Black Clubs To Check Out The Blue Flame (very HOT girls - $5 dances) Wax (bikini club with off the speedometer mileage) Club Babes Pin Ups (best on the weekends... the later the better) Club Blaze Peaches of Atlanta (nice place, lo mileage, $10 dances) Stilettos (unpredictable, $10 dances Th - Sat) Magic City (like Follies, overrated - expensive lo mileage) I could go on but I think you have enough to begin your research. I also know a few after hours/underground spots you may want to check out, if your appetite still craves. When you get to ATL, if you still need assistance, send me a private message through TUSCL. If I'm in town, I'll be glad to give you my number and help any way I can ... Good luck!

I was in Orlando, just this past spring (review soon to follow). I don't even know why the legit clubs even bother remaining open. I agree with @Electronman. The sc scene in Orlando sucks (no fun there). That being said, what balls, huh? To even think about doing something like this, knowing how ridiculously strict the authorities are, is pretty brazen. I love it!

@san_jose_guy: Before cell phones (early 90s), we used beepers. I was married then. The girls we dealt with were really good about getting back to us. There was no problem getting in touch with girls outside of the club. There's nothing new under the sun. This is just a different time with a newer technology.

Oh, yea, that was my other question... Can we post pics and videos, and where (Discussions or Reviews)?

@Steve229 Does the link have to begin with www or http?

Another hyperlink question: A little while back I tried to place a URL link into one of my reviews. It copied and pasted but a hyperlink was not created, forcing those wanting to connect, to copy and paste. Is the hyperlink creation process different for Reviews than it is for Discussions, or are hyperlinks not allowed in the Reviews? Also, in Discussions, will it automatically know I'm trying to create a link, or will it need to have www or http in front of it?

Can anyone explain the process for creating hyperlinks on this forum?