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The New World Order - Strip Club version

dallas702
Wandering
Tuesday, July 22, 2014 8:38 PM
I walked into a club this afternoon about 3pm, sat at the bar, ordered a drink and smiled at the dancer on a satellite stage a few feet away. After my drink came I stepped over to give the, very cute, young spinner on stage a couple of bucks. Instead of taking my money, she asked if I was interested in "extra" special dances. I replied in the affirmative and she promised to come by. A few minutes after she got off stage she slid up against me and was very clear what she was offering. HJ, BBBJ and full service were available from her in VIP (just booths with limited privacy) for surprisingly reasonable amounts (and even more surprisingly - to me - the amounts were very negotiable). That makes about a dozen different clubs in five states over the past few months that I have walked in and been offered extras. I am not counting the clubs where dancers know me, just the "new to me" clubs. Every club I have walked into in 2014, I have been offered extras. And the women who are making the offers (at least the ones I am listening to) are good looking and mostly very young. When did a strip club visit become a "sure thing"? I remember when it was a big deal if a stripper pulled a chair up close at a table. I remember when strippers did air dances a few feet away from you, and there was no such thing as a lap dance or VIP. Hell, I can even remember when the only stripping happened on a stage you couldn't get close to. I had been going to strip clubs for a couple of years before I even got a "lunch date" with a stripper (and it was just lunch). Over the years, the entertainment has gotten better, the contact improved and, slowly, the opportunities got better. But (it seems to me) the strip club world has changed, dramatically in the past couple of years. Just in the past few years, it seems that in most places across the country - a new generation of strippers have shown up in clubs, strippers who just assume extras are part of the job - and are very OK with that. What is your impression?

49 comments

  • shadowcat
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    10 years ago
    I would agree that my mileage is up dramatically but I can't say that I have been offered extras in every club that I have walked into in the last few years.
  • victor2
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    10 years ago
    In Detroit, I haven't gone to a club that extras and high mileage are not the standard of income for all dancers. Once a few dancers in each club start offering special incentives to their customers, those customers are not going to pay for dances from non extras and low mileage girls. Then they must all compete on the same playing field. This is how it has evolved.
  • jackslash
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    10 years ago
    I've noticed that young strippers are all about extras. They have told me that lap dances "are too much work." They would rather give me a blow job.
  • alabegonz
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    10 years ago
    You lucky guy, wish I had the same experience as you getting extras most of the time. I don't see anything going to the direction you mentioned. Probably because my experience is very different than yours. I guess for me there were no indication of sliding towards decadence.
  • Electronman
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    10 years ago
    Wide spread and open availability of extras seems to be a regional thing. And as noted above, once a dancer (or a club) starts offering extras, the other dancers (or clubs) have to do the same in order to compete. So, I guess you are lucky enough to be clubbing in an area (perhaps S Florida based on your reviews) where extras are necessary in order for clubs to compete for customers. The Detroit market has many of the same characteristics (the clubs that do not offer extras, don't survive very long). Or, alternatively, maybe you're wearing a tee shirt that says "extra $$$$ for extra fun."
  • SlickSpic
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    10 years ago
    It's the Prius Factor. More MPG. Them old-school strippers were from the Cadillac Generation.
  • steve229
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    10 years ago
    The New World Order has not breached the Old Dominion
  • farmerart
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    10 years ago
    Nor has it breached the defensive moat around the Sainted Republic of Alberta
  • SlickSpic
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    10 years ago
    @Art-Haha.
  • GoVikings
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    10 years ago
    Definitely a regional thing. I kid you not, I've NEVER been offered extras in 4 years and some change of clubbing. That said, most of my clubbing has been done in Virginia or states that closely surround it. In other words, areas where high mileage and things like extras are much more of the exception than the norm.
  • bang69
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    10 years ago
    I agree with shadow on this
  • jerikson40
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    10 years ago
    "Wide spread and open availability of extras seems to be a regional thing." Exactly. And also a very cyclical thing, as well as political. And personally I think in large part even a generational thing. We all know of cities that have gone thru mileage cycles, based on things like political atmosphere. Just look at Phoenix for example. At one time it was super high mileage in many clubs, then it went thru a drought, and only in recent years has mileage returned. Tampa was the same way for a while. Hell, New York City at one time in the distant past had some insane clubs for all kinds of crazy stuff, out in the open. But now it's shut down tighter than, well, something that's very tight. Even club ownership can change things drastically. Personally, in the LA area I see things moving into a bit of a drought in terms of hot dancers and high mileage. Doesn't mean you can't find it, but it just seems to be getting much tougher to get good value in the clubs.
  • jerikson40
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    10 years ago
    Oh, and Seattle. Hell it used to have some excellent high mileage clubs with hot dancers, but that all died years ago and I don't think it ever came back.
  • SlickSpic
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    10 years ago
    @Jerikson-would you say that Gardena, COI, and Upland are still bastions of So Cal high mileage or things are going downhill? I'm basically ten minutes down the street from Tropical Lei and it's always been an outlaw club. In fact, I've been going their since I was 18.
  • skibum609
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    10 years ago
    Why people are surprised is amazing. Try reading some history of this once great country. While one can argue that extras in the clubs are great, the flip side is, that in order for a society to turn a blind eye to prostitution it must be immoral. Welfare queens, fatherless children, youth crime, drive bys, poverty etc. all come along with the type of society that permits extras in strip clubs. Worth it?
  • JohnSmith69
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    10 years ago
    There are obvious regional differences, but I think the availability of extras is clearly increasing in most places. I travel all over the country, and have clearly seen this trend in the past few years. This could partially be the result of me having more experience to get the extras, but they are also clearly being offered more frequently. Vikings, if you are stuck going to low mileage clubs in low mileage states, then you should look into OTC. That can be available even in a low mileage club. Ski, good points but if that's the price we have to pay then so be it. I love having sex with strippers. Also I agree with shadow too.
  • mark94
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    10 years ago
    I know that some clubs in Phoenix and Tucson offer [view link] impression is that City of Industry and a few other clubs in the LA area do. El Paso, Detroit, San Francisco, Atlanta and South Florida as well. Dallas and Houston might still, in some clubs. Is this a complete list of areas where extras can regularly be found, or are you aware of other areas as well ?
  • SuperDude
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    10 years ago
    Detroit went through a big public discussion a few years ago about regulating clubs and passed restrictive laws banning lap dances, all physical contact and VIP rooms. After about two months of raids and tickets, everything went back to business as usual. A lot has to do with the attitude of politicians and LE. If the clubs don't create problems for residential neighborhoods, almost anything can go on inside.
  • Clackport
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    10 years ago
    I don't know when, but I love it!
  • zipman68
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    10 years ago
    ^^^ WTF skibum? That makes no sense. Many countries with legalized prostitution have lower crime rates than the US. Crime rates in the US have largely been falling since the early '80s. Poverty and income inequality has been increasing, but it seems you're painting the situation with a mighty broad brush. Tell the truth...are you a cranky ol' white dude who digs guns? Go see a hooker...it'll make you less cranky!
  • pensionking
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    10 years ago
    TG: What do you do when your real life exceeds your dreams? AA: Keep it to yourself! (Obscure 80s film reference)
  • SlickSpic
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    10 years ago
    I thought that Prohibition created drive-by's.
  • zipman68
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    10 years ago
    @pensionking dude...Holly Hunter was a major hottie back in the day. My real life would have been exceeding my expectations if I was bangin' her.
  • zipman68
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    10 years ago
    ^^^ Mind you it wouldn't have been exceeding my expectations like, say...doin' a gangbang on Hermione with my good bud Dobby the Elf. My dick up Ms. Granger's magical poop chute...that would be real life exceeding expectations WEEE-YAWWW!!!!
  • steve229
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    10 years ago
    " Keep it to yourself" @pensionking - a classic line! [view link] Just be aware that some wet-blanket members on here frown upon the posting film references, obscure or otherwise apparently
  • zipman68
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    10 years ago
    True dat steve229...but those same joyless souls don't dig reading stories about DP'ing Emma Watson with Dobby the Elf. Fuck those people.
  • rockstar666
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    10 years ago
    My decidedly 'no extras' club in the Chicago area is still 'no extras' as a rule, but they are still much looser with touching than they were 10 years ago.
  • rockstar666
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    10 years ago
    @skibum: What does sex have to do with morality? Moral people might have lots of sex, and pay/be paid for it, and immoral people might be high church officials and rape children for free.
  • Electronman
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    10 years ago
    I sympathize with those TUSCL members who live in states (or provinces) where strip clubs are like PG-13 versions of convents. These prudish, old-world values do create a market for tourism to sex friendly U.S. cities and locales (kind of like the trips to sex resorts in the Dominican Republic or other locales). Who would have dreamed that Detroit might become a travel destination for sex tourism?
  • steve229
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    10 years ago
    "Who would have dreamed that Detroit might become a travel destination for sex tourism?" @electro - Indeed, great observation. You should know, however, that some killjoy members on here regard the whole idea of going to Detroit to visit the strip clubs as rather frivolous and think it should be low priority.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    10 years ago
    My 3-cents: + I think the current generation that grew up w/ readily available porn on the internet (vs a youngster having to go and try to rent an x-rated film @ the video store as back in the day) – and grew up watching sex-laden music videos; and the current generation where young girls of age (18+ or even slightly younger) can get paid for sex w/o having to stand in a street corner in a bad neighborhood (e.g. Backpage) – have all worked towards kinda desensitizing getting paid for sex – not to mention that porn stars in the past 15 yrs or so have become more mainstream; kinda glamorized; and more socially/mainstream accepted + maybe it’s a progression of the “strip club dance continuum” where it started w/ no-touch air dances and has progressed to lap-dances which are basically sex with clothes on (but very very little clothes on the stripper and sometimes no clothing LDs) – so fucking a custie w/ a condom on it’s not as huge of a difference vs giving a high contact LD but the dancer is getting paid anywhere from 5x to 10x+ the dance price + more $$$ for less hustle/work – depending on the club; a dancer can make what she wants/needs in a shift w/ maybe just 2 extras sessions vs having to hustle custies all-night long to convince them to get dances and get multiple dances at that
  • Papi_Chulo
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    10 years ago
    “… I kid you not, I've NEVER been offered extras in 4 years and some change of clubbing. …” It def has to do with geo location as has been mentioned – but also perhaps younger guys may not be offered extras as much b/c: + dancers may assume he may not have the big bucks for the extras? + dancers may assume young guys can more easily/readily get non-p4p sex outside the club and may not be interested in paying the big bucks for extras (whereas an old guy may be perceived as been much more eager to have sex w/ a hot young girl and also having less options to do so non-p4p)? I started SCing when I was 30 and I also used to look younger than my age at that time (was in better shape) and I was not offered extras too often at all whereas now I’m offered it a lot more often at 44 y/o
  • rockstar666
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    10 years ago
    @Papi: Some young guys might find free pussy easily, but in my case the older I've gotten the more free pussy I get. I chalk it up to experience with women in general... (and NO, I don't have a system!).
  • Pole_Doc
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    10 years ago
    Mileage and value are up in strip clubs.... and the problem is what exactly??? Shit, that's a good thing. Y'all almost sound as though you're complaining! Although I think geography plays a role, at the end of the day, it all comes down to the girl. I don't care what restrictions a club has. If you've got a girl who is with your agenda, whatever the both of you wanna do is gonna happen. Are there risks? Sure there are but they're lowered considerably, when the girl is on board. Hell, the risks can give you a serious rush and even add to the excitement! Look, I've been in the game for a minute (25 years). I've seen and done some of everything with strippers, from the gutter most to the uttermost (dated, lived with, paid sex, free sex, pimped, put through school, paid bills, etc.) and I'm telling you, it's about the girl. I've done things at clubs that I never even bothered sharing with anyone, bc I knew they wouldn't have believed me. Screw a LD. If you've got the right girl, you can fuck right at the bar! Just make sure they always remember; the best place to hide a dick is in a PUSSY!! - LOL
  • dallas702
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    10 years ago
    Papi, I think you nailed the progression of stripper "availability" with your reasoned and rational analysis. I also agree that "maturity" has more to do with what is available than regional location. I do not doubt the posters who assert their locale is devoid of extras. But I also believe the women are now there - in the strip clubs - for those discerning and mature gentlemen who are willing to invest the time and resources. When I was young and in shape, I did not have trouble meeting willing young women in civilian bars, clubs and elsewhere. But, strippers were less available. I didn't understand that weird reversal. But eventually I recognized that it is both a financial preconception and a personal choice made by strippers. As I added decades (and a few pounds) I discovered strippers were more available, just as civi chicks became less impressed with my approach. A very real part of the difference has been the stripper's perception that the young guy is NOT going to spend (as much) money on her as the older guy. I believe that it is also true that the stripper's experience has often taught her that she is "safer" with an older guy. So, I have known for years that as an older PL my batting average was going to go up. I am still amazed at the readily available, almost joyfully offered extras now available in clubs!!!!! ;)
  • dallas702
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    10 years ago
    FarmerArt, I did not know that the Puritans moved from Plymouth to Alberta! Honestly, your bemoaning the dirth of extras from Alberta strippers, is belied by the success you enjoy connecting with personable young damsels in various clubs in your area!
  • Papi_Chulo
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    10 years ago
    “… Papi, I think you nailed the progression of stripper "availability" with your reasoned and rational analysis …” Ok – I gotta fess up – I copied that stuff above from an old Juice post
  • pyrolysis
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    10 years ago
    Younger guy here living in a high milage get area. I find that as a younger guy if I take a lunch break from work still in button up business attire, extras are fairly easy to find as long as you initially stage tip to show the dancers that you are there to spend money. Hitting the clubs at night on the other hand has led to the exact opposite experience. If I am dressed casually and the club is crowded I find just making time with a dancer can be a challenge unless I am paying out stage side like a ATM. So for me the fun happens at lunch and if I go out at night it is to get a face full of pussy and mini laps ringside.
  • Papi_Chulo
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    10 years ago
    ^ that is a good point. Often times extras may be easier during dayshift perhaps b/c: + less custy pickings for the dancers so less potential for $$$ for the dancers + more older/experienced dancers during dayshift that know the game and may need to do extras in order to attract more interest + during nightshift – more custies to choose from and more potential $$$ w/o having to do extras – often young and prettier girls that are not into giving extras or may need to b/c of their youth and good looks
  • ujay
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    10 years ago
    I think that extras have definitely become more readily available in the South Jersey/Philly area. The slowdown of the economy has taken a hit on the strippers bottomline. They have to hustle more to make a fraction of what they previously made prior to 2007. As mentioned, once a SC begins to allow extras, the customers begin to gravitate to girls that offer extras. This definitely sets the bar higher for everyone in the club. Extras are more readily available in the daytime with mature Strippers that have rent and bills to pay. The younger prettier girls that work at night may still live with parents, and do not have the responsibility of maintaining a household. Finally, club owners are less aggressive preventing contact lab dances. They too are feeling the pinch of the lack luster economy. They have rent, property and school taxes, utility bills to pay. I noticed the other day when I walked into my favorite SC, the lights in the lap dance room appeared dimmer than usual. The message was clearly written.
  • Pole_Doc
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    10 years ago
    @steve229 - Can you (or anyone else) please explain how hyperlinks to other sites are created in this forum?
  • Papi_Chulo
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    10 years ago
    Just go to the other forum’s website (or any other website of interest) and copy the webpage address appearing at the top of the webpage in the address field – you can just select/highlight the address in the address field by double clicking your left mouse button and then press the “Ctrl” + ‘c’ keys simultaneously to copy the address. Then paste (“Ctrl” + ‘v’ keys simultaneously) in the TUSCL post-message area and a hyperlink will automatically be created once message is posted.
  • san_jose_guy
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    10 years ago
    I think part of it may be just cell phones. Before cell phones and caller id, dancers were very slow to give out their phone numbers. So then what you saw in the club was a fantasy, and that was it. There was no way to contact the girl outside the club. But once you can contact her, then it puts her into a situation rather like being an escort. So some will accept this and go along with it. Then this bleeds back into the ITC mileage, because ITC mileage is actually a better way for the girls to make money. It is fun for the customers too because see - want - get is much more of a power trip than is making an appointment. When compliance with a body of law drops below a certain level, then the law does become unenforceable. LE has to give up, because turning too large a body of persons into criminals is doing more harm than good. We may be right on that threshold now. Recently I have noticed that many of the Portland Clubs use this system xoticspot [view link] So you can follow dancers from club to club, and they each can have a photo gallery and a blog. You can even contact them. So this does change the strip club environment, and it is presenting each of the dancers as if she were an escort. So of course there will be more OTC and the ITC mileage will go up too. I read about this Vegas VIP Room in Beaverton. Just a few dancers in the day time, and it sounds like they try to pair you off with a dancer right away. So it is not a place to come and hang out and watch all of them. Then there is the VIP room. Then they give you 30min to talk to the dancer after your VIP room visit has been completed? I would love this, but it does sound strange. Is this extra time to talk after full satisfaction? Or is it really a way to give us longer nicer sessions? Some say there are cameras everywhere. So I don't know. Sounds like it might not even be a strip club. Don't know. [view link] san_jose_guy
  • steve229
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    10 years ago
    Just don't try and hyperlink to stripperweb.
  • Pole_Doc
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    10 years ago
    Another hyperlink question: A little while back I tried to place a URL link into one of my reviews. It copied and pasted but a hyperlink was not created, forcing those wanting to connect, to copy and paste. Is the hyperlink creation process different for Reviews than it is for Discussions, or are hyperlinks not allowed in the Reviews? Also, in Discussions, will it automatically know I'm trying to create a link, or will it need to have www or http in front of it?
  • steve229
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    10 years ago
    Hmm, not sure what's happening there... Maybe you should send Founder a screenshot
  • Pole_Doc
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    10 years ago
    @Steve229 Does the link have to begin with www or http?
  • Pole_Doc
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    10 years ago
    Oh, yea, that was my other question... Can we post pics and videos, and where (Discussions or Reviews)?
  • Pole_Doc
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    10 years ago
    @san_jose_guy: Before cell phones (early 90s), we used beepers. I was married then. The girls we dealt with were really good about getting back to us. There was no problem getting in touch with girls outside of the club. There's nothing new under the sun. This is just a different time with a newer technology.
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