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13 years ago
The truth of the matter from a dancer--- I'm a super tall, curvy, Cali blonde and I've worked in clubs all over Orange County and Vegas. Over the 6 years i've been dancing I've seen it "rain" and "been rained on" hundreds of times. In fact, a "white" club I used to work in (Captain Creams) had a machine on the side of the stage that would light up and spit ones onto the stage when a customer put in a $20 or $100. I believe that it's not a race thing (I've been rained on by black, white, asain, even women) it's more of an EGO thing.
The most I've ever received on stage was $1,000 from a white business type guy. Prior to the shower, I sat with him for awhile, had some champange, and stroked his ego (yes, i really mean ego not penis). I think most guys who give big tips like that on stage just do it for the attention they get. They want to have the largest cock in the room and make customers and dancers jealous. I've also found that these type of tippers are usually the most obnoxious and rarely get dances.
As whiny as this sounds, I personally don't like getting tipped large (over $100) on stage. Reason being: 1. it wastes a lot of time cleaning up and counting 2. it makes everyone aware of how much you're making 3. other dancers get jealous and talk shit or try to steal a few 4. everyone wants a piece at the end of the night.
If you want a dancer's attention here's the way to do it. When she is on stage walk up to the rail, smile, put a $20 or better yet $100 in her garter (or wherever), and say something like, "I think you're great, I"m sitting over there, please stop by after you get off stage". Then walk away. That's it. No ego. She will probably be happy to sit down for a drink with you and chat for a bit.
discussion comment
13 years ago
As a dancer, I take pride in being honest and making customers happy. In fact, over the years I've found, not one, but TWO wallets and returned both of them. The first guy was so drunk that he didn't even say thank you. However, the second guy who i returned a wallet to was so thankful that he gave me a big tip and ended up getting a bunch of dances from me. I believe you reap what you sow.
Now I"m not saying that all dancers are like me. Some shiesty bitches steal my tips straight off of stage ( I'm not going to get in a catfight over a few dollars)! But to say that ALL dancers are (and I'm quoting gatorfan here) "lying thieving whores" is a bit of an oversimplification.
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13 years ago
@lopaw
-I have mixed feelings about female customers. I've danced for hundreds of females over the years, some expereinces good, some bad, some ugly. Overall, I have to say I still prefer men. They are just easier to please. I can't really put female customers all into one category because women are complex and everyone comes to a SC for different reasons but I"ll try to break it down into some general categories:
Lesbians- love 'em! They tip big, they compliment you, they are less devious than the male customers, and they don't care if you're not into women as long as you give them a sexy, sensual dance, and maintain lots of eye contact.
Young couples- meh, I'll pass. Unfortunately for me, I always tend to be the one that they pick. The reason I don't like this "type" is because it's always an act. They are usually drunk and rowdy and the girl is simply going along with it to fulfill some fantasy her boyfriend/date has (she thinks he will like her more if she's fun at SC's). Without fail, the girl always tries to touch, moves around WAY TOO MUCH, moans, and I usually end up seeing more of her than I want. Plus, she's judging me the whole time while telling me how beautiful I am. It's always awkward when she wants me to then dance for him because I have to give him a mediocre dance because we both know he's not allowed to like it too much. Despite all of this, I'm totally smiley and happy and give lots of hugs and compliments and they always leave satisfied. Like I said, It's all an act. This type usually tips well but rarely get more than a 2 dances.
Older married couples- They can be fun but if I have another dance lined up I'll chose that instead. This "type" is all about the wife while the husband watches. I have to give her all the attention and change my style to be more sensitive and provacative (no shoving my tits in her face or grinding on her crotch). They usually get several dances in a row and always ends with an invite back to their bed. Lol, no thanks.
Groups of straight women(bachelorette parties, etc)- Ugh! The worst! Please stay at home! They are called gentleman's clubs for a reason. While I'm sure they have fun, there is no doubt that they are just taking up space and disrupting the vibe. These groups are sexed-up and on the prowl. They never waste $ on silly lap dances and expect the dancers to do ridiculous monkey tricks on the pole for a measly dollar.
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13 years ago
@georgemicrodong
-I'm not posting pictures because 1.) I prefer to remain anonymous and 2.) I have another job that would be in jeopardy if anyone found out I do this
-I don't plan on leaving CA anytime soon but if you are out here, send me a message and I will let you know where I am working and my schedule.
:)
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13 years ago
@farmerart
-I agree that you shouldn't waste your money on the bouncers or managers. Even if you go to a new club and tell them you want a tall blonde with big tits, they might send a girl over that you are not attracted to and then she is going to expect something and probably sit with you longer than you want. I would say sit it out, observe or meet all of the girls, and then make a decision based on your preference. Once you find her, tip her big right off the bat and don't waste her time or else she might move on. Also, don't ever tell a dancer that you have a lot of money that you want to spend on her. The reason being, you have no idea how spoiled this girl has been and your idea of "a lot" is probably $1000 short of her idea of "a lot".
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13 years ago
@CTQWERTY
-I've worked at both big and small clubs and found that sexual harassment is pretty much part of the game. I have found that a playful attitude about it gets you much further and keeps you sane. It's somewhat hypocritical when you try to tell your manager, "hey, I"d appreciate it if you don't touch me" when he watches you get touched and grind on customers all night. However, it really does depend on the individual. I've had some good managers and some sleazy ones. I used to work at SRhino in Vegas and had no problems... but when I auditioned at the one in Torrance the manager actually asked if he could feel my breasts because he didn't believe they were real! I let him (it was the quick squeeze I had hoped for), he hired me, and then I never went back there.
Bouncers I've found to be much worse than the managers when it comes to harassment. This is probably because they routinely sleep with dancers (even I am guilty of this). They are the ones who are watching our dances and see what we put up with and think it's okay with us if they do the same.
-Each club is different when it comes to fines. I worked at a club that would charge you and extra $10 if you were even a minute late for your shift and an additional $10 if you wanted to leave early (that's on top of a $50 stage fee). Since you pay these fees, in cash, directly to the manager, and get no receipt, I can only imagine they go directly into their pockets.
-Many girls can be very cleaver when it comes to ripping guys off. There was a dancer who used to literally pull guys out of their seats by their arm, drag them back to the LDchairs, do dance after dance after dance (without telling them when one ends and the next begins), and then charge them for one or two more than she actually did. She used to get written up all the time for this but it never stopped her and she never got fired. This was her M.O. and let me tell you, she MADE BANK!!!
The only remedy for this is to discuss it with the dancer. Ask her what the policy is. Some clubs count dances so if you are in the LDchair the dancer has to pay a percentage even if you are just sitting there talking. A good dancer will let you know when the song is over and if you'd like another one. If she doesn't do that, tell her you only have enough $ for ___ dances and she's guaranteed to stop after that amount. Unfortunately, if you get ripped off, your best option is to pay up, learn your lesson, and get the hell outta there. Don't expect the bouncers to be on your side either.
- I've heard about every pick up line imaginable. The stupidest was this customer who told me he couldn't believe how beautiful I was and said I had to be from outer space. The rest of the night he kept calling me his alien hunny. Seriously!
-No, nothing that anyone has ever said ITC has ever made me melt. However, little things like remembering what drink I like or bringing me little gifts certainly score points. My advice in trying to pick a dancer up is to be yourself, be courteous, don't be intoxicated, and tip, tip, tip. I know men don't want to hear that but you have to remember that every song that goes by without dancing is a missed opportunity for her. The more you tip her, the more at ease she will be and the more time you will be able to spend with her. But keep in mind- women, in general, know if they are going to sleep with you or not within the first couple minutes. There is really nothing you can say that's going to change that. If you have to spit game then you will probably have to pay too.
-Best to dance for- 40something, married, whited guys because they need a sexual outlet and you're giving them what they want without nagging them or lesbians because you never have to grind on their hard-on and they ALWAYS tip... well!
-Worst to dance for- Arab guys. Without question! They usually have some form of body odor, smelly, scratchy beards, are the most grabby, always want a kiss (french), and treat women with complete disrespect. They always try to make you feel like you didn't satisfy them and rarely tip.
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13 years ago
@Irish
-Short answer... not very far. There are so many fish in the sea that I'm never willing to cheapen myself or go further than I'm comfortable with. That being said, I have never had sex for money (shocking, I know! not all strippers have sex with customers).
-I wouldn't be a good stripper if my customers didn't think I was into them. Sometimes I'm so good at it I even fool myself! However, I never purposely mislead them or make them think I mean something more. In fact, soliciting anything OTC is illegal and you can get totally busted if they are Vice cops. I was working in a club that got raided once and have been super careful ever since.
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13 years ago
@rl27
After doing this for some time now, I can pretty much judge who is going to spend money and who is not. Sometimes I am surprised by a hidden jem but most of the time my instincts are dead on. I people watch a lot and carefully choose who I approach and when. I hate it when girls are desperate and go from table to table. I NEVER do that! I always make a mental note of customers who check me out on stage or when I'm walking by and hit them up strategically.
My best technique is to go up to a table that might be interested and position myslef so that when I'm talking to the table my ass is conveniently (and innocently) bent over in front of some other table that might be interested. And if the first table doesn't get a dance, then i go straight past the next table and stand somewhere, alone, looking approachable. Most of the time someone from that second table will approach me within minutes. My best advice, go get the girl you want. Don't wait for her to come to you. I can't tell you how many times I hear, "I was waiting for you all night" when it's 5 minutes until close.
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13 years ago
@looney larry-
-You can never tell if a customer will be a long term customer and can only hope he will be a good one. I've had lots of regular customers over the years and I'd have to say my favorites are the ones who understand my position as a dancer (time is money when we are inside the club). For example, if they show up on a busy Saturday night (unannounced) it's nice if they let me work and don't expcet me to sit with them until they are ready for dances. In return I will usually come in on a weekday or a day shift and spend the whole time with them. Also it's a plus if they don't ask me about my love life outside of work. I hate to lie to good customers so it's best if those things are just not brought up.
-I"m assuming you mean OTC extras but I have never done that kinda stuff (and honestly, never found the need to). However, I have gone on lots of dates with customers. Most customers I've gone on dates with just like to be seen in public with a pretty girl on their arm and like the attention and interest i show in them. I've gotten some insane gifts this way.
-Dancers can be pretty shady. I'm never too concerned with girls stealing money or customers but I hate it when jealous girls tell customers things that are untrue (like I have kids or am married or something). The worst thing I saw a dancer do once was steal a girl's outfit from her locker, pee all over it, and then stick it back in her locker. Gross!
-I stopped working at a club that I was at for 4 years after they kept pressuring me to sign new contracts giving up my rights to sue, etc. Believe it or not, strippers actually sign contracts and fill out lots of paper work at each club. Each county has a huge rule book that we are supposed to know inside and out and at one club I had to pass a quiz just to work their.
-I don't know what will make me stop dancing for good. Relationships don't make a difference to me because my old boyfriends have all been okay with it. I would definitely stop if I had kids. Stripping is actually the reason I was able to get my degree and my masters... but I don't want to start my career yet because I make such good money right now. I would probably stop dancing and find another job if I got a bad injury or if I lost my looks.
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13 years ago
Thanks for the comments everyone.
@inno123, unfortunately, that kind of misunderstanding was a regular occurrence . And at any other regular night club, say in LA or Vegas, those same guys buy a booth and bottle of Grey Goose for $300 and are fully aware of the fact that it's over priced and doesn't come with half naked girls. They are celebrity and/or rich assholes who think they are entitled and that the club and dancers should give them stuff for free because they graced us with their presence.
I agree with you, CTQWERTY. I think there should be a section for articles written by dancers. I originally titled this article "Dancer POV- You got the dances, now pay up" but they wouldn't publish it like that.
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13 years ago
I started stripping my second year in college. Kept stripping, got my B.S., kept stripping, got my graduate degree, and (a year later) am still stripping. I don't know what schools the girls who "strip their way through college" go to, but my college cost a hell of a lot more than I made dancing. Therefor, I still had to take out loans. However, the pros outweighed the cons. I told every one of my college friends and tried to convince them to do it too (because, in my opinion, it's the perfect college job) but, the truth is, that not everyone can do this job.
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13 years ago
bahahahahaha! This is the stupidest post ever! NONE OF THAT SHIT WORKS. I would know, I heard it all, multiple times tonight, and surprise surprise, I want to bed alone.
1. If you tell me you don't do lap dances, I say that's good, cuz I do them! Let's go. If they don't go, it means they are uninterested in spending money on me and I run and never look back. You will NOT bag me with that approach.
2. I hate it when guys say maybe later. I say come find me when you're ready. ONce you realize that "maybe later" in a strip club means "you're ugly don't come back", you will come find me for a dance. If at the end of that dance you ask me to meet at your crib for drinks. I'll decline because you are the 12th person to sell me that line tonight. You will NOT bag me with that approach.
3. If you come in to my place of business, where I choose to exploit my sexuality for $, and you choose NOT to tip and NOT to buy dances, you think it will earn my respect!??!? Boy are you high? Guys like that are a waste of space in the club. You will DEFINITELY NOT bag me with that approach.
three strikes, you're out!
the person who wrote this article is either a 14y/o boy or he is a man who has never even gotten a lapdance.
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13 years ago
I agree with leanbowline and rickdugan! You totally oversimplified it. While I can't talk for other strippers I can tell you why I started stripping (and have been doing so for the past 7 years now). My second year in college I met and became good friends with a girl in my class (who I later found out was a dancer). I was envious of her success. While I was working my tireless waitress job 5 days a week and barely paying my rent, food, books, tuition, she had designer clothes and her own studio apartment. O n top of that she only worked 3 days a week and had plenty of time for school as well as fun. I wanted in... and that's why 7 years, 2 degrees, and many designer shoes later, I"m still dancing. Also, most dancers I know don't do ANYTHING x-rated inside or outside the club and I believe that's where true longevity and success lies.
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13 years ago
Thanks for posting. I had a similar experience at Sapphire when I worked there back in 2006. I really disliked it and haven't gone back since. In my opinion, the club is too big and overcrowded, the stage is a waste of time, and the staff expects too much of your hard earned dollars. Also, it was the first club I worked at in Vegas and I didn't make the thousands everyone was telling me about (especially since the house fee was $90 or $150 if you didn't want to go on stage!). The customers are too smart to do the 3 for $100 dances so instead they make you do one, after another, after another on the main floor. Hey, money is money, but they will get a much better dance if I there wasn't a cocktail table right in front of them making it impossible for me to extend my legs without knocking something over, or if I wasn't worried about their buddies trying to stick their face in my ass every time i turned around, or if some broke guy is just there to perv on other guys dances, the list goes on. I work at a topless club back in California and I get $20/dance plus tip for not showing my tits so in my opinion vegas dances are a steal.
Anyway, my third night there I got sent up to the VIP boxes. Let me just say, this was a pretty miserable experience. There were two customers and two of us dancers. The hostess kept coming in and pushing bottles and drinks on us. It was really annoying because the guys were already plastered before we even got up there and with 4 people, I don't see how they expect us to finish a bottle and keep ordering more. When I'm downstairs I accept all the drinks I get because it's a sinch make it look like you're drinking when you really just take a sip then set it down somewhere. In the VIP you're stuck in an 8x8 box and there's no leaving until the time is up. The more drunk my guy got the more advances I had to shove off. These guys definately needed to be cut off but that's a dirty word to a hostess in VIP, so at one point I started pouring my champange into a fake plant nearby. He kept asking me what was "included" in the VIP hinting towards something that ends in "J". Ugh, annoying. I kept telling him the same answer-just lap dances. He was being terrible when I gave him dances- groping, fondling, squeeezing, spanking, trying to kiss me, licking my neck. The bouncers did not come in ONCE!!! I had enough when he tried to stick this thumb up my butt. I thought this was a gentleman's club! I went outside and told the bouncer to help me out a little and he almost laughed in my face. I only had about 10 minutes left so i sucked it up, went back inside, and finished our time. The bouncers came in and tried to talk the guys into another hour and I said i was done and tried to leave. That's when i realized the bouncers and hostess expected me to give them 40% of what i just suffered through. No thank you! I left and was asked not to come back.