You got the dances, now pay up!

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HottieHeidi
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I was writing this as a response to the post about getting ripped off by customers, however, I guess I have a lot to say so I decided to write my own little spin off. These are my experiences.&nbsp;<br />
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Let me start off by saying, yes, it happens... all the time.&nbsp;It&#39;s been a few years since I&#39;ve had any discrepencies but I&#39;ve been stiffed many times in my earlier dancing days. Sometimes, for as little as $4 and for as much as $500, $600, even $700 dollars (I&#39;ll get to that in a minute)! Most of the time, when I got stiffed for the small amounts, it was as stupid as they got a $20 dance and then only had $16 left in their wallet and none of their cheap ass frat buddies wanted to spot them the extra $4. I&#39;m not going to get the bouncer involved in that patheticness. I&#39;d rather just save my breath (and time) and move on. Other times, it has been their word against mine. For example, they knew they only had $60 in their pocket and were about to leave anyway so they decided to get $80 worth of dances and then try to tell the bouncers that they thought we only did 3. Cheapskates!</p>
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The times I have been ripped off for large amounts, I blame management. Anytime we had a &quot;big spender&quot; in the club, management liked to choose a few of their best girls and send us up to VIP right away. This made me boat loads of cash, but it was hell to put up with. Most big spenders also come with big egos. Especially, the celebrities!! The ones who ended up ripping us off liked to get out hundreds (sometimes thousands) in ones and throw them in the air like they owned the place. Hey, if you&#39;re paying me by the hour, and those ones are my tips, then I&#39;m all about it. Let&#39;s have some fuckin fun and make everyone jealous. But pay-by-the-hour wasn&#39;t an option at my club, so, we had to count every dance we did. And if Mr.VIP thinks that those 3 girls that he&#39;s had entertaining his crew and dancing to for the past 2 hours are going to be happy with the $300 in ones that he threw on the ground, he&#39;s wrong. 3 girls doing lappers= $60/per 4 minute song. That, times 2 hours= you owe us a lot more money, dude. After we would waste time collecting the ones, facing and counting them, splitting them between the 3 of us, figuring out how much more he owed each of us, and then confronting the drunk Mr.Vip, we were not only in the process of getting ripped off, but were also losing money by not being out on the floor.<br />
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Management likes to push bottles in the VIP so it&#39;s a given that the Big Spender and his crew is going to be completely wasted by the the time the bill comes. It&#39;s usually sticker shock and they think always seem to think that their VIP booth and bottles and treatment came with the dances included. The management was obviously getting their pockets lined, or just liked to have high alcohol sales, because they let they VIP customers get away with this all the time, and they wouldn&#39;t have the bouncers do anyhting about it. This happened to me too many times and I after awhile, I refused to be one of their go-to girls.<br />
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BOUNCERS-<br />
As far as bouncers go, every club is different. At the club I worked at for 5 years, Captain Cream&#39;s Cabaret, the bouncers were like no other! They were awesome! They had our backs no matter what! They walked us to our cars, carried our bags, opened our doors, the works. They were also the peacekeepers. They knew which girls were shady and had a history of ripping guys off and didn&#39;t put up with it. They were firm with the clients but not rude. And they would dish out a good ass kicking if need be. Also, they all had freaking tasers!!!... and they used them (to break up the occasional fight). If a customer owed a girl money, and couldn&#39;t/wouldn&#39;t pay, they would take his ID, photocopy it, and post it in the hostess booth. They would let him know he had two options: 1. Come back with the money owed plus a tip for the inconviencience 2. Never step foot in the establishment again.<br />
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Oh, that was the good ol&#39; days.<br />
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At the club I work at now, the bouncers are fuckin pussies! They have no authority at all. I can&#39;t depend on them for anything (actually there is one that I like, but he&#39;s never around when i need him). I even have a secret signal I made up that let&#39;s them know I need their help, and half the time they don&#39;t even see me. It&#39;s terrible but it&#39;s taught me how to deal with every situation myself and better yet, how to prevent situations from occurring. I think this lack of security has actually made me a smarter dancer.<br />
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However, I love working in Vegas because this is never an issue there. The bouncers are not only intimidating and willing to fuck you up if you screw them, but they are on top of their shit and VIP is all prepay or plastic ONLY. I haven&#39;t had a problem there, yet.<br />
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WHAT I&#39;VE LEARNED--<br />
When I first started dancing, I was super naive and still trusted people to be honest and do the right thing. HA! What I&#39;ve learned over the years is that it&#39;s better to be skeptical than trustworthy. In this business (or any, really), you have less to lose that way.<br />
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You have to follow your instincts and the patterns of past customers. This is where experience comes into play. With repeat clients, I never have a problem doing 10, 15, 20 dances before getting paid. However, if I&#39;m with a new customer, and I get even a slightly weird vibe from him, I will always stop at 5 dances and ask that he pay what he already owes me before we go on. I&#39;m creative with my wording, though.<br />
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Most of the time there are warning signs that the guy is going to stiff you. A customer that&#39;s sloppy drunk is NEVER someone you deal with. 9 times out of 10 it&#39;s an ordeal. Unless it&#39;s a slow night and you&#39;re desperate for the cash, I&#39;d move on.<br />
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ADVICE TO DANCERS--<br />
Don&#39;t be fucking greedy! Keep accurate track of your dances. I got good at this because the last place I danced at counted our dances. If you do 9 dances, charge him for 9 dances and not 10! And always ask if he wants another, don&#39;t assume anything.<br />
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If a customer says he&#39;s good for 3 dances, and then after 1 he decides you&#39;re not the girl for him, then let him go! He&#39;s allowed to change his mind. Get over it and let some other girl make him happy.<br />
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Lastly, honesty prevails. If you don&#39;t want to get ripped off by customers then don&#39;t rip them off. Making them pay you more than you earned may make you more $ right now, but being honest and fair will get you more $ in the long run. That&#39;s my motto and maybe that&#39;s why I get a lot o repeat business.</p>

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kingcripple
13 years ago
Funny thing about this article is that the other article you are refering to is right under this one. Like literally it was the last article posted. I still have never seen this happen, nor have I ever done it. I will never not pay a girl. Strange thing is, usually after I get a dance the girl stays and talks with me a bit. OK, that's not the strange part, but here is: every time i reach for the money to give her she always says "ohh no you don't have to pay right away". Now, I ask you Heidi, what the hell is up with that?
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Stiletto25
13 years ago
Good article and good points.
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steve_ny
13 years ago
@king- A dancer that trusts you doesn't want you to pay because she wants to keep the tab open. If you settle up, you may leave or move on to someone else.

I once had a dancer leave when it was closing time without collecting from me. Lights went on, and she said good night and took off. I did get a manager to call her back to settle up but I knew her long time.
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Rod8432
13 years ago
Good communication always helps. Rather than just let her continue or ask for another, I'll say, "May I have a second dance (or third, fourth,... or I should be in VIP room if going beyond)." This seems to help with keeping track for both of us, and the last thing I want to do is inadvertently stiff a dancer. They're the reason I go to the clubs in the first place, and keeping them happy (especially my regulars) is definitely in my best interest.
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bang69
13 years ago
Your artical was great. The points you made were great also. When i worked in strip clubs years ago. All the female empolyees new I had there back & would any thing I could to help them
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CTQWERTY
13 years ago
A noble effort. Too bad the reward is only one month, earning the same as lesser works like the "Strippers Are Awesome" piece a few articles ago.

I stated sometime ago Founder should create a dedicated section where 'the best of the best' of work written by dancers should be placed for preservation. Reason being there isn't enough here day-to-day to keep most gals interested. But if there's quality content perserved and it's easy to find, the appeal of TUSCL is broadened. That means more eyeballs and higher ad revenues.
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Alucard
13 years ago
Men who ripoff Dancers intentionally are scum. Prosecute them if at all possible. Dancers who are ROBs are scum too. My OPINION! Pay for services rendered & Dancers, give the service you 're going to be paid for.
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jestrite50
13 years ago

Heidi
Thank you so much for writing this article. Being a dancer you were able to tell first hand the story I could only relate second hand from the stories told to me by my friends. Congratulations on a job well done and bringing to light a serious problem in our industry. If us guys want to continue to enjoy the services these beautiful ladies offer then we need to treat them with respect and take care of them financially.
Jestrite50
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jackslash
13 years ago
Interesting and well-written article. I hope you keep contributing. We need to hear more about strip clubs from the dancer's perspective.
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IrishLad
13 years ago
"If you do 9 dances, charge him for 9 dances and not 10! And always ask if he wants another, don't assume anything."

This is good business. I like strip clubs and I always get plenty of dances. I can't tell you how many times I've had a dancer tack one on...and missed out on twice as many right then and there as a result. And I never say a thing, I don't even blink, I just tell them thanks goodbye.
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mmdv26
13 years ago
I agree with IrishLad.
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kuteechaser
13 years ago
Heidi, to prevent any misunderstanding you should let the customer know how many dances have been completed each time followed by the question "Would you like me to continue?" Do not wait until after 3, 5, 10, 15, or 20 dances to let the customer know how many dances he has enjoyed. The little head has trouble adding past 2 when it is exited.
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inno123
13 years ago
The more I read about clubs that serve alcohol the more I think that states that do not allow both nudity and booze might actually have a good idea.

Before you get too down on the guy who thought that the dancers came wtih the bottle think of it from his drunken point of view.

1. The dancers were already in the room without his asking.
2. How much the club charged for the bottle.
3. What the retail (not to mention wholesale) price of the bottle was.
4. What the bottle would have cost at a club without dancers.

When you put it that way could you see how the dunken ignorant wannabe whale thought that the bottle included at least the base pay of the girl?
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HottieHeidi
13 years ago
Thanks for the comments everyone.

@inno123, unfortunately, that kind of misunderstanding was a regular occurrence . And at any other regular night club, say in LA or Vegas, those same guys buy a booth and bottle of Grey Goose for $300 and are fully aware of the fact that it's over priced and doesn't come with half naked girls. They are celebrity and/or rich assholes who think they are entitled and that the club and dancers should give them stuff for free because they graced us with their presence.

I agree with you, CTQWERTY. I think there should be a section for articles written by dancers. I originally titled this article "Dancer POV- You got the dances, now pay up" but they wouldn't publish it like that.
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CTQWERTY
13 years ago
Heidi, there used to be a section called "blogs", where Founder encouraged members to post blurbs. It was taken down. That unused space could serve as the dancers' spot, with a hyperlinked "DPV" heading (for "Dancer's Point of View"). Guys would be able to comment on the pieces, but only dancers would be able to write to it. Unfortunately to date, Founder has refused the idea.
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shaved13
13 years ago
Loved reading your article, Heidi. Most of us on this board only know and understand the scene from the punter's point of view. I agree wholeheartedly with all of your sentiments. I realize that there that there are assholes everywhere but wasn't aware of some of the troubles the dancers encountered. What I am aware of is the dishonesty of some strippers. In a perfect world, they'd all have the same standards/morals as you.
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Reddbehrens
13 years ago
As a customer it makes me feel bad for a dancer when some jerk has hosed her. It also makes me mad when some scumbag gets dances knowing that he can't pay for them. I've seen guys who will pretend that they can't speak English. Gee buddy, I remember hearing you talk to her before the dances, it must be sudden amnesia. The club I go to doesn't put up with that. If you can't pay for your dances the bouncers take a picture of you and ban you from the club. They then toss you out of the club. No repeat offenders.
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