Comments by kumasdaisy (page 2)

Outfits are hands-down the most fun part of dancing! It's so nice when guys notice. At the club that I work at, we're required to change during every stage set, so we all pretty much have a TON of outfits.<br /> <br /> I've yet to meet anyone who makes her own outfits though... that's really cool.<br type="_moz" />

Dancer here:<br /> Honestly, we like guys who treat us like people, and who realize that we only get paid in tips and dances, and who don't try to tell us how to do our jobs. Spending money is definitely a plus, and yes, it will get you attention, but what will get your farther is a good attitude (flattery helps too <img src="/editor/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif" alt="" />)! <br /> <br /> I definitely agree about &quot;earning it.&quot; It's not a free show. Most of us hate getting home at 4am, being overheated and sweaty all night, getting pole burns/bruises, and having guys constantly assuming that we're prostitutes on the side... and then when they don't have the decency to give us a nice tip for our hard work? That's just the worst!<br /> <br /> So good for you, Steve! You sound like the type of customer we'd love to have over at Kuma's more often. :)<br type="_moz" />

OH ALSO - thank you to LooneyLarry for your open mind and positivity (and for your kind offer of nose-to-anus action, which I must respectfully decline). And thanks to the rest of you who have had something nice to say, or who have made your criticisms constructive. I think my next article will be "Things Dancers Want to Hear." #1 - Let's go to the Superdouble VIP Fantasy Triple Shower Show Millionaire Lounge for 9 hours and I will just let you take a nap and tip you a gagillion dollars and you and just send your tuition bill to my house.

Some of these comments seem to presuppose that I have a permanent case of bitchface. This is just far from the truth. Why do you think I posted this on here? I can't say 99% of this stuff in the club. In person, I'm smiling, polite, and enthusiastic. My mantra is "don't dance down to your audience," so I work my ass off whether there is one person tipping or ten people tipping (it's rarely more than ten people, to be honest). As for my pay? I'm VERY fortunate to take home $300 a night, and I'm a pretty high earner comparatively. Maybe I'm working in the wrong place, I don't know. I feel comfortable and safe there though, and the management is like family by now. I don't want to leave them just because we've had a spell of slow nights. Rell - Pardon my mistake. My father-in-law-to-be was a car salesman and did pretty well - definitely better than I'm doing in my line of work. Smokeshopjoe - How many times do I need to explain this...? I WORK AT A JUICE BAR, for the last damn time! Nude dancing is not permitted where alcohol is served within my locale. New York State has an apparent need to keep the working woman down by enacting laws with the sole intent of driving away business. IT'S NOT A DAMN BAR. NOT. A. BAR. People bring their own alcohol and instead of getting tipsy, they get positively shitfaced, and most of the people doing that are under the age of 21 anyway. Jeez Louise! Look at all these comments.

WHOA. Lots of comments. Minnow - I don't post on Stripperweb, actually. I've never visited it. Maybe I should. :p As for not having to do shit, I'm saying that the fact that I give 100% regardless of whether I have to should be valued, and that I don't have to put up with demands. If I do, it's extra effort and customers should take notice. HonestT - I have bought a car. There is a difference between a car salesperson and a dancer. Dancers don't get commission on top of salaries - dancers work on tips and dances. Smokeshopjoe - As for #7, I am not talking about customers who ask us to stay open late so that they can continue to enjoy our performances, tip well, buy dances, and have some good, semi-clean fun. I'm talking about people my age specifically. I work near Cornell. After they're done having their grades inflated and attempting suicide in the gorges all day, they drive to my club, get trashed in the parking lot (we don't serve alcohol), fall asleep at the stage, flat-out refuse to tip, demand that I pick up dollar bills using only my ass, vomit everywhere, viciously insult regular customers, and then get pissed 1.5 hours past closing time when we finally ask them to leave so we can tip out and get some sleep. If you fall into this category, your opinion doesn't count. Those of you complaining about the discounts - The prices at Kuma's are finite. I don't have a problem with people who are unaware of this when they first come in. But if I say "no discounts allowed," it means that there are no discounts allowed. If I could use discounts to my advantage, I would. We offer a discount on our Shower Show for couples and a buy 10 get one free on our private booth dances, but beyond that, nothing. They're pretty cheap anyway though. $60 for 20 minutes nude, $20 for 5 minutes nude, $10 5 minute lap with (what barely constitute) clothes on... if people are THAT cheap, they're in the wrong place. I stand by what I said even though I'm less angry today. Stripper shit gets a lot of discussion on TUSCL, so customer shit deserves some airtime.

Also, georgmicrodong - hit the nail on the head. "WHYYYY NOOOOOT WAHHH," for instance, is not a gentlemanly response to rejection.

Rule 7 - Yes, just yes. As far as inexpensive gifts, Jimmy John's #6 sandwich with no cucumber and extra mayo will suffice if anyone's planning on visiting Kuma's soon. :p Seriously though, good post. Some customers do know their etiquette. :)

Contango, you sound like a total sociopath. It sounds as though if you and this woman had established mutual respect from the start, as in any other business transaction, any problems might have been avoided.

Lame article. Neither a borrower nor a lender be. Also, what the fuck? Referring to human beings as disposable? It sounds like you got screwed over by a dancer and now you're just mad.

IronCat - I am a student at a very small liberal arts college, so that's kind of weird. BoDaniels - I work at a juice bar and I still get that hangover! Thanks for all the positive feedback, and for those of you who are skeptical about whether or not I'm in college, I'll show you my degree when I get it next year. :p

Jackslash - That's good to know. Definitely not gonna dance in Detroit anytime soon.

You can easily have a good relationship with a dancer if you're not a customer. Otherwise, I don't think that dynamic can really change.

A friend of mine actually did her visual arts thesis on our dressing room. It yielded some impressive, professional photos that I keep framed in my apartment. :) I think a "deluxe" dressing room sounds great - problem is, girls would never want to leave!

Tigerfan - I think any male who spends time in the dressing room will be disillusioned to strip clubs for good. It might sound like fun, but my first night terrified me! Kuma's is a very friendly club, too. I've heard stories of girls ripping each other's weaves out and things like that, but we don't fight. We all pretty much like each other, so we're rather lucky.

Great article. As a dancer, I generally love couples who are stable and trusting of one another... it's always refreshing to see that and makes for much less jealousy and drama! If you're ever in Ithaca, stop by Kuma's, because you sound like the kind of customer I love meeting. Thanks for a great read! -Daisy

I think it has to do with the individual woman, not women in general. Men are expected to go to strip clubs; it's a "coming of age" thing for some people. So regardless of their opinion on it, they'll usually go. A lot of men who come in to Kuma's for bachelor parties were cajoled into it by their friends. However, women don't feel socially obligated to enjoy strip clubs, so they don't have any fear about expressing an opinion about it. Also, for older women, I would imagine it might be hard to think that your man is checking out sexy young ladies elsewhere. I think women outside of the strip game imagine us as irresistible femmebots out to steal their men and their men's wallets, when in reality we're just people. I can definitely see how that would be scary for a spouse.