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16 years ago
Getting an emotional kick out of a certain dancer can be very enjoyable, however there's no real good answer to the question you've posed, other than a very expensive answer: that's having multiple ultra-hot ATFs at the same time because it avoids the exclusivity factor which seems to be the root cause of most these issues relating to emotional entanglements. You still can have that emotional kick going on, its just that you won't put them on as quite a high a pedestal as you otherwise might, and they generally know or figure out you've commoditized them to some degree, and (yes its true) it IMHO tends to be a net benefit to kicking up the chemistry thing, and most of the girls at this level are used to special treatment from customers typically a few decades older.
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16 years ago
The economy is impacting nearly everything these days, and despite her ultra hot looks maybe her business has not been that good recently - so perhaps she is misinterpreting his demand for a quickie with the first step of looking for another escort. That may also fit in with the first session when she spent the whole day with him, sort of an investment for her. Otherwise she sounds a bit crazy because it makes absolutely no sense for her not to accept his preference for a quickie when he is willing and able to pay for a full hour.
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16 years ago
Interesting story
Based upon the facts as presented its entirely possible 1. that this escort has fallin "in love" with the guy at some level 2. worse for her, she knows he hasn't fallin for her and only wants her for paid sex and nothing else. 3. even worse, not only does he want ONLY paid sex but ultra quick paid sex.
If the girl is late 20's and he's mid 40's or thereabouts - its not entirely implausible, depending on the other facts involved here.
People "in love" more than anything want and are willing to spend time with their love interest - and this case seems to have that element.
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16 years ago
Doesn't matter, but I usually act first.
There's a small group of elite dancers (often very good looking and sometimes very experienced) that will hardly ever under any circumstances approach a customer, so if customers want dances from them - will be missing out if they don't ask them. Some of these dancers while they've able to follow this strategy for years and do Ok simply cannot handle rejection. Some in fact are shy, however most dancers if they don't do some variation of "wanna dance" - will be constantly leaving money on the table with lower earnings than they otherwise would have. Most importantly they will missing out on constantly recruiting new regulars, which generally only have shelf lives of probably 3 to 6 months in any case
Now for the dancers that are aggressive, since its a business transaction and most will solicit nearly any customer anyways, I don't see why its a compliment to the customer when a dancer approaches them, so I just approach them if I'm interested. Every single dancer I've been involved with with any kind of long term "relationship" or whatever one might label it- I've approached them. The downside is with the 90% who end up a one-dance session (I usually buy 3 or 4 dances in total) - they then might still think you're interested on subsequent days, so they will come back and you need excuses.
Even though its in the nature of a commercial tranaction male aggressiveness obviously is a plus if the mutual "chemistry" matters as it might to some patrons. Many of these dancers notice the passivity of certain males in clubs and even comment on it now and then, and its generally not a plus. True, its not real world, but real world constructs can in some cases operate in a parallel fashion.
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16 years ago
"All it means is that your claims don't sound consistent with the words you've posted."
They don't sound consistent with what OTHERS have said I've said, but if you look at what I HAVE actually said, they are consistent for one main reason: because they are the truth.
Some points you should note:
1. The super-stud bullshi.t was never a claim I in fact made, it was a distortion of my comments (by several posters) in regards to the evolutionary attraction issue where I noted I was experiencing (despite the counter-intuitive nature of it) a significant ratcheting up of the all important "chemistry" when the perception (and ideally reality) of being a "gentlemen horndog" of sorts was presented. Its true I was engaging in behavior more than sufficient to present the vibe, however for example the comments in regards to "doing" (or equivalent) every woman "not nailed to the wall" comment was clearly referring to the importance of the female's belief and perception that the male was highly nonmonogamous. I didn't say I was doing that. I've made it clear in post after post that in my case I was interested in quality not quantity in terms of any "relationships" (if one can even call them that) that I've had, which I said again and again has been primarily focused on a relatively small group of women.
2. My comments about height, weight, and presentability were twisted into some kind of James Bond bullshit and were only made in the first place in the context of a question BookGuy had in regard to the fact of whether height issues would matter on this issue, and in the interest of being honest I presented them exactly as they were - even though it would hurt any "theory" I might be trying to support that asserted the perception of male nonmonogamy was a key attraction point that females subconsciously were drawn to.
3. The cross-check I was seeking merely would have confirmed (to a rational personal at least) that I was licensed to practice law and thus a member of the bar in at least one jurisdiction in the United States (and thus among other things not a 15 year old), it would not have proved I was currently a practicing attorney, because that it not a claim I've ever made on this forum. In fact sometime last fall or early winter when I stated this exact thing, someone on this forum asked me why I wasn't practicing, and I clearly stated this was not uncommon for people with multiple degrees (aside from standard lawyer undergrad and JD degrees) and I was involved in a field typically far higher paying than the practice of law, and certainly far more flexible in terms of hours and demands. The problem I've had is that every piece of new information I've added is a further piece of indentifying information, so I cannot respond to every charge or even every (well meaning) comment, for example Jablake's comment on the practice of law w/o further elaborating on certain identifying information.
4. the income amounts were in fact accurate, and anyone familiar with the general field I've involved with would understand the amount cited in fact is comparatively low end relative to others in this field and related areas.
5. the spending amounts I've cited over the past 12 months are also accurate and I've had many posts (all consistent because all were true) as to the ongoing high levels of spending and my constant efforts to control this spending.
6. the number of strip club visits cited is also 100% accurate, and if one has a degree of job flexibility as one sometimes has when one has been involved with one company over many years, that number (while not wise) would be doable. You in fact one can see a response of only a week ago that I made to Jablake that the "client" issue (he was referring to) was not relevant in my case.
7. The issue of why I don't post club reviews, I stated the reasons and Jablake stated the reasons accurately: and it has to do with indentifying information where I'm primarily visting clubs in 2 or 3 cities or regions dropping relatively high amounts on relatively few dancers, clubs where owners certainly know me as one example. Yes, I've probably bought dances from 100 different dancers in total in the past year in various clubs - but that is not my concer per se, it instead relates to issues pertaining to a small group of dancers. AMPS (while I would rather no post info on them either) on the other hand at least present a completely different profile, as for one they nearly always discreetly keep clients from seeing other clients, so hardly anyone ever knows you're even there - even when you visit on location many times. Strip clubs by definition are a much more open activity, and there's an issue of confidence (at a dancer level) that's not relevant to AMPs because such AMP girls by job definition in most cases tend to be offering FS. Now on the other thread after FOUNDER turned my request down and my attempt to answer the crediblity issue, I reluctantly posted very detailed information on my experiences in AMPs, yet I was then accused of merely copying some (supposed) AMP site, impossible in fact for anyone that knows what TER and the other sites offer in regards to that locale, and in fact my information presented will not be found anywhere, and anyone could go these AMPs for affirm my information was 100% accurate.
Its one thing defending what I've said, but when comes down to defending what others SAY I've said, it becomes very convoluted and nearly impossible to refute w/o further and further providing identifying information.
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16 years ago
You got your wish
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16 years ago
Parodyman, I just did that. Didn't I ??
In fact I don't have any more options in regards to this matter.
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16 years ago
This earlier post was written after a Tuesday visit and before a Firday (today) visit that went much better.
This dancer "X" I mentioned in general has a great personality, but now and then has these moods, and she was in one (the first hour at least) on Tuesday when she was complaining excessively. Part of the problem was some other dancer early on in the shift right before I arrived (falsely) told X I was in the club during the prior weekday period when I had previously told X I was going be out of town for the entire week - and she thereby believed that I was lying about being out of town and shopping around the club for other dancers for side deals. This combined with her usual accusations (with are standard and not a problem by themselves) about me and other dancers in other clubs (or whomever) sort of put her in a bad mood.
Now in practical terms she's not a Walmart type, her work would be something like working in a jewlery store and doing the modeling of bracelets etc or some other kind of personal modeling
Now today she was back to her usual self, very very engaging and no whining about cheap customers or whatever, so although technically shes still to some degree "lazy and spoiled" (as girls of that type can be) I will back off the comments a bit.
There's another ATF I've got that a few weeks back that shocked me a bit by surprinsingly complaining about a very low per dance price at another club around town, as if she were above it in some way. What shocked me is this girl is from another country and grew up in poverty and she's very hard working but she was talking about a dance price that exceeded in 3 to 5 minutes what most people make in an hour, and that surprised me. Also I even said to her "I don't want to spoil you anymore" and she would say things like "please spoil me, I want to be spoiled". Now with this dancer the sums spent are very very large over the past year, approximately 18 to 20,000 (yes way too much and sorry to my ongoing bashers 100% absolutely accurate but I won't repeat at that level) in total which would be roughly a third of what I spent on strip clubs in total over the past year, so in her case, if she's spoiled at all I have to take the blame. She was the first stripper I really had a thing for and although that's faded now to a large degree, I still enjoy her.
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16 years ago
MisterGuy, there's no doubt nothing will ever satisfy assholes like you
Approximately 70% or even higher of the AMPs in that city are Korean run, several Japanese, and a few Chinese, and I know this for a fact because I have spent many 1000's visting them over the past year and I made a point to make sure what the originating country was for each of these locations, and once again (like many of your posts bashing me) you simply don't know what the fuck you're talking about. If Downtown had a client they knew was interested in for example this model level girl "Kay", and she's at an affialited entity and this client is asking about her, they're not going to hide that information and tell their girls (as one Downtown massage girl just told me) to NOT mention where she went, because they could well lose that customer to an unaffialiated business. MORON, IT WOULD ALL BE THE SAME TO THEM
The building is in fact slightly curved which by the way is irrelevant to your pathetic initial claim I wasn't in the building (oh yes I guess now maybe went a few times?) so any idiot (like you) could even see that from the outside. In fact I've been their approx 20 times in the past year.
I'm sorry you're broke or whatever the fuck is wrong in your life and you have this (once again) relentless need to bash me no matter what I post and no matter how much I attempt to add some information to this board, buts there's nothing I can do to help you. Maybe since Obama is nearly certain of being elected he can help you with one of his planned euro-trash styled socialist programs helping people like you that cannot help themselves.
By the way, the information I've posted and I could post 10 more detailed posts like it - is not on any review site. Once again you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
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16 years ago
Chi-town, I truely appreciate you taking the time to state in detail why you made the decison as you did, and I understand your decision. It definitely was an unusual request.
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16 years ago
Ok, I assuming he's opting out too. However I will try again later this afternoon or tonight, just to be absolutely sure.
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16 years ago
"What the comment said was that your post is stupid and out of place on this website."
in other words, you don't want it posted. When I start telling you what I want and don't YOU to post, then you can tell me. Until then just STFU
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16 years ago
Polarman, I don't a "damn" what you think. Go back to the Soviet Union if you want to shut down free speech
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16 years ago
Forget the Bond bullshit but in regards to the other issue even though I know many of these strippers are actually too lazy to work real jobs, I tend to want to help them. Its definitely part of a strip club spending sddiction problem, and that's why I'm admitting it in here.
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16 years ago
parodyman that may be true, but a necessary one in this case
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16 years ago
By the way Jablake, the methods you've proposed I believe introduce additional and unnecessary identity issues. That's why I proposed the cell phone method, its just cleaner.
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16 years ago
Jablake, agree it does look that way
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16 years ago
true, I don't recall you Parodyman making personal threats, not even against ShadowCat
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16 years ago
Funny thing is Dudester is that I've estimated making the posting the first number, making the first call, and making the 2nd call and then checking the listing site to verify the same number -probably would take less than a minute in total.
So you've at least got the timing issue right.
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16 years ago
By the way this is additional evidence that suggests these AMP girls (although generally loyal to the employers) can at least move within a city from one AMP to another unrelated AMP. These two locations are very competitive with each other, no connection at all
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16 years ago
Just took off the ignore to see if there was a response.
Just what I expected. Sorry it actually is curved.
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16 years ago
Credibility is the issue
I've made many posts over the past year and it had been my intention to make many more in the future because like others in here we share a common interest in the same subject. However my credibilty has been attacked to such a degree in the last few months I would like to respond in a factual way to a central charge against me - and to do that I need the help of a third party.
I recently asked Founder to do this cross-check for me and he concluded it was a board matter and he should not intervene, so I'm asking you to do the same.
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16 years ago
I had a very good reason to post that message the way I did, so why not read that particular post?
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16 years ago
The spending amounts (100% accurate) were sort a like a kid in a candy store since until June of 2007 I had not been to strip clubs in approx 20 years - so on a 20 year basis I can rationilize it as justified spending.
Several other factors: I didn't expect this what I label the "10%quality" group of dancers, my subjective estimate, and then you end with a 1% group that you think are really something special. Also I tend to try to help random dancers out now and then by buying dances from them - even when sometimes when I have near zero interest in them, plus I don't usually buy 1 or 2, its like 4 or 5 dances with these random types, and there are a very large number of those in the past year
Look 15 to 20 years back probably a patron here or there dumped similar levels of money, but its not going to put on web site like this.
Affordability vs justification are two different issues, and I have freely admitted to doing some foolish spending over the past year
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16 years ago
Late tonight after 10 est or 9 central would be fine -if you can do this. Thanks again