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16 years ago
Hi njscfan
I probably should keep my mouth shut because I don't know the VIP prices at Tootsies very well, other than they were eye-popping. I could see a customer easily spending $2,000 in a single evening if he is doing VIPs without even trying. So, in 4 or 5 weeks that could be $16,000 to $20,000 if the customer went just twice a week.
MANY years ago, when the dollar still had some value, a wealthy client spent I think was $15,000 (or maybe it was $10,000) on a bottle of wine for lunch---I wasn't present. The boss and another senior employee were relating the story and given the 2 escorts the client was traveling with it was easy to believe. On an el cheapo cruise ship the woman next to me quickly lost about $5,000. She taps the big man (money-wise) on the shoulder and he gives her a stack of $100s or was it chips? (I think it was $100s.) Anyway, my estimate at the time was between $10,000 and $20,000. And, he was betting $5,000 a clip at the big table and seemed bored that it was just too low stakes for him. I was very shocked he and his woman were on such an el cheapo cruise when they had money to throw away. BTW, the escort, I assume she was an escort, had to be one of the hottest women I've ever seen. My heart was racing just being at the same table with her.
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16 years ago
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Book GuyI write it like I mean it, but mostly they just want my money.
Just like many women get deluded into thinking all men prefer bigger breasts, men can get deluded into thinking all women want X, Y, and Z.
As a short guy, I can tell you that generally women want taller. Not all women by any means, but I'd bet women want taller much more than men want bigger breasts. The good news is that some women want shorter or don't care about height. :) I just have a smaller pool of potential women, but it still a good size pool! :)
If a person isn't getting their needs met, then it might be very tempting to want to change in order to be more attractive to a larger pool of women/men.
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16 years ago
Another friend hit a "double" i.e. got tied up in not only the governments stupid marriage laws, but the governments stupid drug laws . . .
First, he goes thru years of meat grinding in the divorce court. He was ignoring his wife (immersed himself in business) because she was refusing to sleep with him. His wife responds by sleeping with an attorney who convinces her to get a divorce. She gets rich and takes the children and of course he has to pay for that "benefit."
So like a good little trooper and proud American, he starts the rebuilding process. He loves working like a dog and his family is gone, which means his life is just work, so in the land of opportunity he is able to start getting some wealth. BOOM!
Second spanking, is an arrest on all manner of drug charges. He is one of these clowns who believes if you're not guilty you won't get arrested (he thinks he is the rare 1 in a million exception to the rule). Worse, the government attempted to steal his properties. More court battles and more lawyers getting rich. In a way, he was a "winner" this time because he not only escaped the drug charges, but was able to keep the government from stealing his properties as well. Proving in his mind that the system can work.
So what has he learned? He still strongly believes in marriage and wishes he could find a woman that actually wants to marry him and not steal his money. He still strongly believes in the drug laws and that the system can work. Worse still he strongly believes in more government (but, honest government) to solve all problems big and small. :( Seems like "paradox" is the norm.
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16 years ago
"I think most are sick of our wussified culture males have been forced to worship and bow down to."
100% on the mark, imho.
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16 years ago
A very close lady friend has been in divorce court for years and years. She feels like a winner when it comes to divorce court and the surprising thing is that her former husband is a big shot attorney. In her opinion, the former husband screwed up big time and lost his advantage when he started to behave like an attorney before the judge. As an attorney he was use to abusing people with the full support of the court, but in the divorce case he needed to sit down and shut-up and let his attorney be abusive with the full support of the court.
You guessed it. She would like to get married again and yet she still isn't out of court after years and years! Yes, I suppose it does make a huge difference that she was a huge financial winner.
I'd feel sorry for her former husband, but the crooked court system has made him rich--excluding his current non-stop divorce.
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16 years ago
Hi njscfan,
No, like I said "that may not even be a true reading when it comes to marriage." I don't understand or perhaps cannot understand how people who went through a miserable marriage go back for more. Even moreso when they see friends and family suffering with horrible marriages. The lady with 3 nasty divorces is surrounded by family and friends who've also suffered with horrible marriages. They keep getting married! It is like they love divorce attorneys or crooked judges.
I don't know what the correct analogy is, which is why I stated it may not be a true reading. Maybe it is like going to church or waving the flag?
I'm not anti-drug--and consider it a health problem when done to excess. I'm not anti-gambling--and consider it a mental health problem when done to excess. I'm not even anti-marriage if the government isn't involved with the supposed "contract."
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16 years ago
Hi njscfan,
I'm sure there are happy marriages. And, even people who've suffered divorce many times wish to go back for more. A lady friend has gone through 3 nasty divorces and she is up for more in the hope of finding true love (she is a very nice lady, btw). The one time she lost money (the husband refused to work after marriage because he had his money stolen by the courts in a previous divorce) she was disgusted that the courts would award money to a bum---especially a man, but successfully moved on. He also remarried and appreciated his windfall from the failed marriage (he thought it was simple fairness). He didn't care that the innocent wife paid the second time around, btw.
You suffered a divorce and still believe in marriage.
That is difficult for me to understand and I tend to think of the person addicted to drugs who quits due to extreme health problems and then once healthy again goes back to the drugs! That may not even be a true reading when it comes to marriage. Gambling dancer knows gambling is super bad for her and yet even after she avoids the misery for a long time seems destined to go back for more punishment forgetting her previous misery.
I think those who promote marriage are actually well intentioned. More than a few strippers have told me that I need a girlfriend and not to waste money on strippers. Apparently, they think if you need to purchase a GFE that means you need a girlfriend. I don't believe one necessarily follows the other, but I can easily see their reasoning.
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16 years ago
I was giving an analogy to this one friend about how people are swimming in the ocean and getting their arms and legs ripped off---wailing in agony. I'm standing on the deck and the victims are motioning me to jump into the bloody waters!
The friend who knows all about having wealth stolen by the courts and miserable marriages replied so what if you get an arm or leg ripped off? Does that mean you're NOT going to jump right back into the water once you've healed? Given his personality there is NO doubt that this friend would eagerly jump back into the bloody waters. Fully unconcerned about losing more body parts----just make sure you're insured. :(
His fearlessness when it comes to physical injury and financial destruction is the reason, imo, he is so successful. Broken back? Minor inconvenience. Lose an eye? Appreciate the other one more. Lose your home and all your savings and family? Think of all the fun you had making money and a family the first time.
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16 years ago
An aside: I tried flashing my AARP discount card and 9 out of 10 dancers gave me the middle finger. :(
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16 years ago
Hmmmm . . . now I can see why shadowcat is surrounded by a minimum of six hot desperate dancers, willing to honor AARP discounts, at all times. :)
Way to go shadowcat!
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16 years ago
BTW, I don't know about other men or women, but I dislike sharing my living space. Maybe, I've just lived alone too long.
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16 years ago
I attempt to use strippers as pseudogirlfriends, but most aren't "immoral" enough to provide the needed service.
I feel sorry for those guys with wives or girlfriends; especially wives. Here I've been pushed to get a wife or girlfriend from male friends whose relationships with their wives is the pits. (Female friends in bad relationships push the same idiocy, btw.) When the obvious is pointed out to the male buddies their response is YES, but I get more sex. I don't dispute that, but the relationships are still the pits. One will soon be getting a divorce and will learn what paying truly means. The lawyers and judges are free to steal to their hearts content under the law.
Strippers only care about money? Please. In comparison to the courts the typical stripper is not only honest, but has very little interest in money.
Apparently, my buddies either wish to see others getting screwed in real relationships; misery loves company: or, the extra "free" sex is worth all the misery. The one who will soon be getting divorced is the one bragging about "free" sex. And, his much younger wife wouldn't be attractive even if she wasn't a blubber blob. Oh, and he not going to allow the courts to steal from him. :) America is too good a country for that and he serve his country proudly in the military. LOL! :)
BTW, I don't about about other men or women, but I dislike sharing my living space. Maybe, I've just lived alone too long.
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16 years ago
Not long ago I had a dancer insist I was "big." I told her that I'm just standard, which is true. Usually, a dancer will either agree and laugh or move on to a different conversation. This one persisted and I just found it a turn-off because she is an experienced dancer who should have already met many big men---thus, imo it was a poor lie.
I guess a fair number of customers want to hear that. With some women who you could easily insert a hand into it is difficult imagine there being a man big enough for them.
Anyway, when a woman starts saying she wants big my thought is always that she is big. I'd rather just find a smaller woman. This one giant dancer surprised me in that she was complaining her pussy was too small. Given her massive size in all directions it was hard to believe. One of the other dancers exclaimed "Really?!" as if in total disbelief. I *almost* wanted to finger her, but a big dancer even with a tiny pussy ain't my cup of fun. She also claimed that she had the bad luck of getting men that were larger than average when she'd prefer small below the belt and big everywhere else.
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16 years ago
I tend to prefer medium to small. The fakes are generally a turn-off. The personality of dancers with large seem more extroverted. I don't care for that either, but it should help them make money.
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16 years ago
Oh, this is important. When a woman wants to come over for a visit the place needs to be a total dump. No food in frig except maybe a couple of warm beers (frig is moldy and hasn't worked for years). Only a few lights in the house work. The bed should have a few spings popping out. Televisions? 4 or 5, but none work. I guess visit some real poor people if you are having difficulty deciding how bad things should be.
The car (if you have one) needs to be a junker with bad tires.
Now, the real problem is that the woman may actually like you for "you." Wonderful! :( Now, what the F is the plan? Move in with her? Dump her? It should be looking might bleak about now unless you are one of those men who wants a real girlfriend.
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16 years ago
Too often I hear wealthy men complaining that the woman wants him only for his wealth. That the woman should love him with zero financial assistance. Easy solution: date women that have money! Yes, she may still expect $$$, but then pull out the equality crap and point out the she is already financially well off.
Another solution: Don't flash the money or even hint at wealth. You're broke and have always been broke and will always be broke. You don't want money; money is evil; etc.; etc.; etc.
Having money and NOT sharing it with a woman you supposedly love/care about a great deal will generally just generate loathing and disgust. And, it won't even prove whether the woman loved you for you. She might have loved you until you showed how selfish and cruel you really are. Or, she might recognize your game and think long-term swindle.
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16 years ago
"It is easy to find out, just go into a strip club with no money and see how popular you are."
Not so easy. First, you need to show up regularly (4 times a week at least, imho) without $$$ and the club needs to be one where you can talk with the dancers. Spend hours and hours in the club like you are a fixture sipping on a single beer or water. Maximum tip per dancer is $1 per night; inflation adjusted $2 per night maybe. Second, and equally important do NOT dress up, display wealth, yap about a good job, or making $$$; you are dead broke and have zero prospects for a better life.
You'll probably be fairly popular in time. :) Of course, I had another huge advantage in that I experienced extreme poverty (and wealth) while growing up. Nothing like some extreme poverty in a land of wealth to get your morals straightened out. Especially when you see first hand that many "moralists" with wealth are slimy sacks of shit that have no business looking down on anyone.
You might complain why do I have to hide my success? Because whether one wishes to believe it or not there is a huge difference between a poor man being el cheapo and a rich man being el cheapo. Yes, most wealthy friends don't want to hear that.
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16 years ago
Girlfriends? Assuming the typical woman was superior to the typical stripper, it just from my vantage point seems like a very bad bad bad deal. Not only are most of the real relationships I see a total mess (excluding low sex drive men and cheating men) (perhaps I just know the wrong couples), but the demands made by the typical hot girlfriend makes the whole comparison seemed warped. OK, let's say you love children and can afford them and furthermore you don't mind the girlfriend losing her figure and being out of service. Humming a long with a nice family and the world is looking good. Is it? Not when you get dragged into court for whatever reason and have your children taken from you (assuming you care about your children) and worse you get to pay thru the nose for the privilege. Have a financial hardship? Well, don't be surprised if the court jails your ass. Yes, yes, the law supposedly protects the father from that, but I don't have any faith in the law and those fathers behind bars might of even had the rose colored glasses removed.
All in all, I think strippers are a fantastic bargain. And, NO, I certainly don't find "typical" women superior. And, for those men who believe they are superior then it seems like pursuing them might be a much better deal than "wasting" money on the "lowly" stripper.
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16 years ago
Better service. I don't mean BJs or FS, which is easily available and you can pretty much act like an asshole if that is your desire. Also, the relatively few women that I find attractive creates a supply demand problem. I've gone to Tootsies where they're over a 100 dancers and sometimes just one 1 or 2 will be attractive to me. Damn straight, I want them to have a good impression considering there aren't many of them and I'm seeking GFE, which most dancers, ime, aren't willing to provide. Also, I'm interested in longer term fun. I'd prefer to see the same hot dancer again and again.
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16 years ago
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Book GuyI write it like I mean it, but mostly they just want my money.
Fertility mattered because food was scarce? Remember, I believe sharing food among primates is a good way to get sex. An ugly woman might still be demanding some food to put out and if food is scarce then at least make sure she can spread genes. :)
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16 years ago
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Book GuyI write it like I mean it, but mostly they just want my money.
"I've known a few guys who have fucked chicks numbering in the triple digits (without paying). Typically they aren't too picky when it comes to looks and weight. But here's the interesting part: They actually think all the girls they fuck are super hot, even though anyone looking at them would immediately bawk otherwise."
100% agreed. Worse, they think I should be interested in the disgusting women they think are hot. The conflict usually arose over my focus on one or two hot women who are playing difficult. These guys who have no standards start yapping about plenty of fish in the sea. For them that is 100% true becaue they don't seem to place much value on looks----all women no matter how disgusting are hotties in their eyes or "a hole is a hole."
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16 years ago
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Book GuyI write it like I mean it, but mostly they just want my money.
"select the most fertile and (perceieved) healthy females to mate with."
I would think that would equate to the HUGE dancers at Angels. The black customers like to say thick, but these women are BIG and seem very healthy. The black customers seem to prefer them over what I and other white customers seem to view as hotties---small and slim. Over at the RolLexx, I've been told that that big women make the most money. Except for my experience at Angels, I wouldn't believe it possible for big women to be in big demand.
These big women have zero sexual value to me. Free is too expensive, imo, and yet black customers (seems to be exclusively black customers) seem to love 'em and spend money on 'em. And, it seems like a smart evolutionary strategy to pick big healthy woman. YUCK! But, it seems to make evolutionary sense to choose bigger woman more capable of defending and taking care of themselves.
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16 years ago
"the girl said 'I don't do things like that, don't think I do.' This was after I had given her the agreed upon $40 for the three dances she did. On several occasions when some like this service had occurred the girl said virtually the same thing afterwards."
She may just be in denial herself or it could be true or it might be face-saving or it might be bald-faced lie to give the illusion of specialness, or whatever . . .
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16 years ago
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Book GuyI write it like I mean it, but mostly they just want my money.
"That's definitely true about the "alien" thing, even the use of normal words they will tag as "big words" some so mudance its laughable ("perceptive" is a big word for example) - we're from another planet if we can actually put a complete sentence together."
Yes, I've run into that too often to the point that I try and speak very simply. But, then it isn't just strippers so maybe it is me. ;)