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16 years ago
Yep, I'd agree with Ozymandias and uscue13 based on my experience.
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16 years ago
Hi Book Guy,
Yes, you're right. That is a good general rule. And, I think even with a crooked dancer it is better to pay after rather than before. There might be enough doubt in her mind as to whether you'll pay if given a poor dance that she decide to pick on someone who is easier.
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16 years ago
Hi Book Guy,
My point simply was that solution (never pre-pay) has costs that may not be worth the savings. :)
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16 years ago
Too simple for my humble tastes. If the dancer is pretty enough, then I'm willing to lose some cash to know more; positive or negative.
Also, there is a pretty good rule that if the dancer isn't doing a good job after 1 or 2 dances drop her. It took Gambling dancer over 6 dances before she started acting like she wanted my business and even then it didn't seem like the money was motivating her. How many dances was I willing to go? Probably a little or a lot over 10 dances ($50 = $5 X 10 dances).
Anyway that was many years ago. Although I do talk to her (rarely), her refusal to do paid dances for me remains steadfast.
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16 years ago
"I've had a few "pay first" girls, and exactly one was worth the time."
For me it has been 50/50, but the ones that aren't worth the time truly aren't worth the time. Just giving 'em the money to leave would have been a better deal.
Those that were worth the time and wanted to do a good job the issues were usually inexperience, manager ordered girls to get money first, recent rip-off or rip-offs by customers. The latter 2 reasons probably accounted for 90% or more of the girls wanted the money upfront as well as being the reason the manager ordered the girls to get money first. The dancers at Angels overwhelming HATE it when a manager starts that bullshit because they believe is slashes their profits.
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16 years ago
BTW, normally it is brain-dead to pay upfront. I'll do it and sometimes the end result is positive and sometimes the end result is negative. Much better odds in my experience by paying after the dance, however, I'm still willing to pay upfront for the right dancer and take the gamble.
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16 years ago
"I must be missing something here. In every strip club I have ever been to, I asked the price before I got a dance. I suspect everyone except the super rich do the same. Since I know how much it is going to cost going in I can't see where it makes any difference whether I pay before or after the dance."
There must be an appropriate maxim such as you ain't got the money until you got the money. I know. Don't count your chickens before they hatch! Haven't met too many dancer who didn't understand this and act accordingly!!!
Because *you* will automatically pay the girl the agreed price somehow that means other customers will behave similarly? Sounds wacked. Club Angels saw 2 young men and perhaps 1 young woman have their lives destroyed because 1 of them refused to pay for a $20 VIP dance. That he refused to pay wouldn't have surprised anyone nor would the end result of at least 1 death or beating.
First young man refuses for whatever reasons to pay the $20. Second young man does his job and beats him to the ground. First young man responds by getting gun and shooting second young man dead.
Police immediately apprehend first young man after milking by attorneys (of the taxpayers) he gets life (no prior problems with the police, btw).
Young woman is crying her eyes out at the funeral of second young man blaming herself for wanting the $20. Second young man left a young bride and young baby behind.
SOLUTION: Ban strip clubs? Ban guns? Ban post-pay? Celebrate the fact that the lives of all 3 young people involved is evanescent? (They were all so young and it would surprise me if all 3 weren't dead by now----perhaps even all 5 thinking of young bride and young baby. At least they didn't die for medals or a flag. Damn the young woman was so sweet and sexy; she thought she was normal.)
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15 years ago
"'stripper shit' has many definitions, this is a new one."
She wasted a lot of time and didn't make any money and it was very tiring. Very tiring only in the sense that she is a working girl and it'd be nice to get some work out of her. It is like if a mechanic came over for an early morning visit and I'm happy to see him because I think he wants to fix my car and make some money. Instead mechanic talks about the different cars we've known over the years and then wants to check my refrigerator for leftovers. HELLO?! Mr. Mechanic we can talk about the cars as your fixing my car; fix car, earn money, and talk about the past cars. Leftovers? Mr. Mechanic, you need to find yourself a cook if you don't care for McDonalds.
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15 years ago
"But don't be slippin no penisouruses in amongst the girlies and having them rub up against me. I would consider that a major violation of all the accepted rules of man-dom."
That for me is the whole point. If I can't tell they're men without removing their panties, then I consider them to be a woman substitute and perhaps even better. Most he-shes are totally unattractive because I can see that they are men. However, thanks to the internet I've seen supposed he-shes who are hotter than most women. The only way to tell that they're he-shes in the dating scene it appears is by removing their panties. The penis especially a small one isn't going to freak me out in the least----a big one seems not only unattractive, but in the way.
The reason that I think he-shes might be better than ordinary women is because the super fem he-shes are desperate to be real girls. Real girls, oth, are often too interested in some equality fraud. The tiny tiny few women who could stand up against me when I was young----were MORE LIKE MEN THEN MOST MEN. I didn't even consider then to be real women. Gee, would I rather sleep with some muscle bound feminist spouting off about fraudulent equality or find a he-she that looks and acts more feminine than most women? The he-she win that contest by a landslide. One of the whales at Angels or a he-she that has a normal male drooling (until he removes the panties)? Again, in my book the he-she win in a landslide. I have ZERO interest in whales----I'd pay a whale to leave me alone.
Bottom line the US for political reasons centering around wage slavery and more government control implemented an agenda to blur the gender lines. Well, holy cow----I got a choice between some masculinized female Iraqi war "hero" who fought for our "freedoms" or a he-she that actual wants to look and behave like a tradition feminine woman-----give the feminine he-she that looks hot and I'll be overlooking a small penis. For me it gets down to 1. Looks are all important and 2. feminine v. masculine----feminine is supremely important to me right behind looks.
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16 years ago
I detest tats generally. However, I do like clever ones. And, certain primitive (meaning very sloppy unprofessional) tats I find appealing almost adorable. Another primitive tat on a girl's fingers spelled out "SOLO" she's a porn "star" so you may have seen her. Fantastic ass and perky tits.
My favorite in childlike handwriting stated "No Love" on a perfect breast. That dancer was so sweet and desperately was searching for love. She came to the conclusion that the only way to get love is to have a child.
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16 years ago
Hi shadowcat,
Empirically, I can say that for *most* real men the answer is a definitive NO!!! Any orifice will do. Be it a female blubber blob or a male dick diver.
You seem to have a modicum of standards so you're outside the norm that I see. But, hey give it a shot if you wish to save some cash----I almost wholly reject the repetitive you get what you pay for mentality.
Anyhow, a disgusting blubber blob wanted to prove to me that looks were irrelevant. She is working and working and it seems like eternity and finally I get semi-hard. She proclaims victory. I correct her and elucidate that a hottie would have had me rock hard in seconds. She didn't believe, but a known-to-me hottie saunters by and I snag her and state that I need her hand for a couple seconds. Blubber blob learns the painful truth i.e. my dick needs hotties. :)
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15 years ago
"Maybe you should tell her to train to be a mechanic. Actually I know a few strippers are mechanics at local jack joint-(c)2009TUSCL-BRO."
I could see her being a mechanic, paying me an early morning visit, and have no interest in repairing my car for $$$. Instead she be yapping about all things automotive, which would be fine if she applied some of that knowledge to fixing my car. It'd be better if she wasn't a dancer or wasn't a mechanic if her visit doesn't end in a happy customer. To just talk, talk, talk, is very frustrating when you've got work that needs doing. It is like my neighbor hired this tiler. The damn tiler doesn't want to complete the job---he just wants to hang out. I said to him (trying to motivate him to get his ass in gear) isn't your time money? The tiler says sure if I had any other jobs waiting . . . finish this job and it is watching television till more work comes along. The tiler is very serious about not finishing----I've never seen a person drag out a tiny job the way he has. It is amazing----because it doesn't seem possible and it seems like it would be extremely boring. If I still had my health, then it would have been easy for me to the job in a SINGLE DAY! He's been on this tiny project for WEEKS! My neighbor is ready to pay him just to leave----she is worried about finding a new guy who will come and want to do the job promptly and leave. She even said maybe she wont get it done and just leave it uncompleted.
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16 years ago
I've had luck buying 4 Door-- Sidekicks, Trackers, and RAV4s. I also attempted to contact this hot porn star, but it didn't work out. This other hottie who looked like she was from the VIP also was a NO GO----her pimp never returned the call. Finally, another dancer perhaps from Coco's? was just extreme paranoid. Dang, with her fear level of police she needs to be in another line of work that doesn't even hint a law breaking!!! :)
The best action for me would probably be "the crib," (a hangout for young hotties and explosive type personalities) however Gambling dancer declares that I'm too old and too white to be at the crib. :( Girl is probably correct.
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15 years ago
Oh, her husband is telling her to handle the situation. She is like what type of man are you? You deal with the tiler man to man and get him to leave or finish.
Depressing.
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16 years ago
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Fats girls are considered premium by certain customers at Angels.
Needle marks? Shows the woman is for real and is a real trooper. This visiting country boy escaped incarceration because the lady cop didn't have needle marks and was too attractive. The country boy asked does God love me? The answer was an emphatic NO!!! Country boy leaves and the police are in pursuit demanding to know why he didn't take the comely bait. That cop was quite comely, imo. Small, black, in-shape with curves in all the right places. After copping a few feels dang sure I woulda taken that bait hook line and sinker. Probably get 10 to 15.
Don't trust a woman without the needle marks gentlemen. ;)
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15 years ago
"She wanted food. That's all.
Wasting time was just a natural occurrence for her."
The refrigerator was filled with all manner of goodies to eat----she wanted a very particular type of food. Leftovers. She keeps forgetting that I never have leftovers. Very rarely she has stopped by during dinner and then I'll share whatever I've made. She says if I've cooked it, then she wants to try it. She was afraid of the cook top or even trying to cook. I taught her a couple very simple recipes (boiling water, etc.) and she says they turned out well, but she doesn't like cooking.
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16 years ago
She jokes about becoming a stripper/hooker due to her dire financial condition.
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16 years ago
Hi Book Guy,
I was in a drug den because 1) I like the hos there and 2) I like the hippy counter-culture and 3) you can meet wealthy "squares" there who are often very interesting live and let live people who don't buy government garbage hook line and sinker. Anyway, it has been a long time since I've been in a drug den.
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15 years ago
Hi steve229,
Well, I definitely don't hit 100%. Heck, sometimes it seems like 10%.
It seems like when a stripper comes a knocking that you should be able to expect play for pay. Perhaps if I was wealthier or knew higher class strippers that would be the case.
I'm actually interested in what they have to say-----but, and it is a big but, my main interest is access to the hot body and GFE. When dealing with strippers or anyone for that matter it is very important to suspend disbelief. Some want to be treated like ladies and others seem to love being a doormat or worse. Normally, I just am me which isn't normally the best selling angle. :) It is a lot easier. Loser boyfriend may be much more attractive, but do I want to play that role? Outlaw biker may be much more attractive, but do I want to play that role?
One of my best times ever was just be a used book seller. The stripper had an amazing ability to read and remember books----she rewarded me with scorching fire. :) OK, so the bookstore me appealed to exactly 1 hot stripper . . . I may need to learn how to ride a cycle and wear leather.
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15 years ago
"jablake- since you're keen to he-males and the rest of us are not......they're all yours."
Unfortunately, TUSCL members don't constitute the entire customer base for she-males. I've apparently got stiff competition judging from the market prices.
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16 years ago
When he typed "one way lesbian," I thought of it as one way highway. That there wasn't any reasonable possiblity of taking the highway or the lesbian in the other direction.
Some lesbians were surprised that I was still interested even after they explained they had no interest in men. I didn't care if they liked men or not if they were willing to play and besides I avoid "real relationships" like the plague. Paying money is, imo, the best game in town if you can afford it. As far as needing closeness that could still come especially is you aren't looking for or pushing for it---problem is that typically means the pay-for-play is no longer allowed.
If he had typed "two way lesbian," then I would have thought persuadable or bisexual. It's all in the thesaurus.
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16 years ago
"The question is, why the girl picked some to like and some to dislike, seemingly out of a hat."
Usually, it seems like people are only sympathetic to their own plight. I'd met this very attractive young girl in a drug den who had needle tracks on her arm. She was of the very strong opinion that Johns were the scum of the earth because they took advantage of her addiction and made it possible for her to buy drugs. I said and if they're addicted sex, then you'rer taking advantage of their addiction? She says sex isn't addictive! Not to you perhaps, but look at the risks some of these customers are taking to come see you. Then she starts up with the nonsense (which she believed) that drugs are a universal addiction. If alcohol is addictive, then everyone has to be susceptible to its complete control. Actually, imho, it is a relatively small minority of people who can become addicted to alcohol.
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16 years ago
"After 41 years, I have still never figured out how to write off my strip club expenses."
Write a book? Develope a computer game based on your stripclub experiences? A medical expense (assuming you can get a liberal doctor to write you a note)? Educational expense (assuming you have to kiss ass on the job or schmooze)?
To answer your question: NO, the bagboys at Publix don't get $800 per month or more raises. But, some of these boys are a young 50 so they still got plenty of time to show you up career wise and stripclubbing wise.
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15 years ago
"I put that on the same level as a counterfeiter selling a fake Rembrandt to an art collector."
I can see the art collector loving the "masterpiece" for 20 years. A new expensive test shows the art collector was loving a fake. Cry him a river. :)
A relative had this fake $10. What a work of art. So much was done so perfect (pre-personal computer era) and then you've got these glaring errors; how could the counterfeiter be so good and so bad? I think the fake $10 was worth much more than $10 and would love to know its story. The relative acquired it at a fast food joint as a cashier and one negative about the fake is it could catch your eye; part that was just its newness.
Opinion can be everything. A bunch of know nothings say the "masterpiece" is worth $50 million, then it is worth $50 million until a bunch of know nothings say its worthless. Reminds me of this hooker hound who was dismayed that Americans would eagerly buy a foreign country's trash women. He asked why in the world would a customer drool over foreign trash when that same customer would have nothing to do with the trash in his own back yard? The answer is fairly simple: The customer may have total contempt for the foreign country's standards. A woman might be considered trash because she didn't get her feet bound and deformed. A woman might be considered trash because she has the wrong religion or is a persecuted minority. Why the fuck would I want a foreign culture to decide for me what I like and what I don't like? Sure I can easily be persuaded to change course due to threats/punishments, but my basic like remains the same. And, except for threats/punishments why would I want my country to determine what I like or dislike? President Bush doesn't like small titted women or Iran or marijuana? Who the F cares as long as there isn't threats or punishment associated with choosing a small titted woman.
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16 years ago
Hi SuperDude,
She would like to pay her debts and I told her (what little I know) that I thought Chapter 13 would probably be able to help her.
She is afraid of the courts. Seems like *she* has been relatively well treated. The court ruled that she was entitled to attorney's fees and yet her attorney doesn't pursue it for whatever reason. Somehow she blames the court for that.
Anyway, her non-rational (imho) belief is that somehow her ex-husband could use her bankruptcy filing to take her 15 year old child away from her. He's an attorney, btw, and he would like the child.
She has no idea how to budget and just spends on "needs." Because she thinks she might die at any moment despite be relatively young and having longevity on both sides of her family, she thinks every purchase is a lost opportunity. I tell her, but you're going to heaven. She wants insurance.
Strippers are very un-complicated compared to her.