Comments by Danton (page 2)

As the Detroit economy improves govt will want to improve Detroit’s image, it’s inevitable imho that the permissiveness will accompany improved economics.

Continued- like cd sales so not very lucrative field . Working in a high end club might be interesting to see what the girls r like

Might be an interesting one time summer job in northern LA while in college to see how the industry works. I’ll bet it gets boring fast and dvd sales are watered down cause of the net just like cd sa

PS meaning I doubt that many in the industry r very happy with their jobs, course could be wrong. Wonder what happened to the big stars of yrs past like Raquel Darrian .

Don’t think the biz has any significant respectability, u don’t hear of getting into the business as a common ambition. Most seem to fall into it cause they have nothing else going on or need it for survival.For instance a lot of dancers seem to be single moms. Don’t think acting pays much specially with easy access on the internet, maybe a dancer can make a lot in the right situation but it’s time limited ,no long term future.

From what I can tell those in the industry are an unhappy lot , a lot of suicides and divorces at least for the actors. Dancing short term with a different long term goal seems to work out

Is there a way to search if you have the name of the club?

This sounds like a who's who of sad unfortunate lives with exceptions of course. Fact of the matter is most have few other options, or are single moms. many seem to have unhappy childhoods from what I can tell, could be wrong.

Does anyone know bout Zara Whites, Raquel Darrian, or Bonita Saint? I saw candie Evans dancing at a club in the valley but that was a long time ago

Given the recent epidemic in head and neck cancer and causal association with HPV transmitted in this fashion, I would be extremely careful before doing this.

Yes, if it bothers you, either quit, move on to another club or ignore it. What others do does not affect what is right for you and you don't need the money. There must be plenty of other venues for women who like to dance. Strip club dancing is obviously time- limited, it is certainly not a career. The smart ones IMHO see it as a temporary measure towards another goal (eg college degree, whatever). I feel sorry for older dancers for whom it is the only source of income with no plans for progressing beyond it.

fetish_dancer The dilemma from a dancers viewpoint it seems to me is that the only way to make money is via tips and in particularly lap dances. The bottom line ultimately must be enough monetary return to make it worth your while (unless you are in it just for dancing), not that you have to make a killing each day but if your colleagues are offering more than you and making significantly more, it must not seem fair. An analogy might be baseball players who cheat by taking steroids who then hit more home runs, become stars and command a bigger salary while the honestlose out. On the other hand, if the monetary return is enough to satisfy you as an individual there is no problem. Most guys do not like to be pushed for dances but I can understand how that happens but it should be ok to say no thanks too. In the detroit area it seems like thestage is a means of personal advertisement for dances, the dancers are like temptresses for private dances. In DC the stage show is all there is and for me is more fun.

to fetish_dancer My point was that on this site generally the highest rate clubs are those that offer the most extras , but I don't use that criteria. There is no FUN factor, I would rather see gorgeous dancers who dance only for instance Camelot in DC and whom I can talk to rather than dancers who are hustling for dances all the time and won't take no for an answer. Having said that, there are clubs which are between the "hustle" clubs and the "extras" type clubs but is highly variable depending on geographical location.

I have noticed that in general the highest rated clubs are those that offer "extras". The most extreme example are the clubs in Mexico. Personally what I look for are attractive woman and just having fun- The most fun I had was at the old Tropicana in LA- which featured mud wrestling and really gorgeous girls in bikinis. Didn't go for the wrestling but enjoyed the gorgeous bodies and killer smiles. The way most clubs operate these days the only way dancers can make money is to perform dances which are often forced. The inevitable question is "do you want a dance" and girls will often leave in a huff if rejected, no payoff for their 5-10 minutes of preliminary conversation. Many dancers are obviously there just to extract as many dances as possible from the customers "Extras" may be satisfying in a freudian sense but are too clinical,devoid of emotional intimacy and would be for me not fun. It also seems to me that the availability of extras is more liberal now because of the poor economy. If things get better, I am guessing that extras will be less available. Call it old fashioned but IMHO that is best left for wives and girlfriends. Of course I realize that I have a minority view based on the TUSCL top 10 list and that the tropicana closed a long time ago.

Is a paid GFE (say dinner and conversation- no physical contact )illegal? From what I can tell "escort" services such as this are also illegal even though they are devoid of a physical component.

I have to agree with chandler about detroit- depends on what you are interested in but none of the clubs which I have been to have an involving stage presence- rather the stage is a prop to sell private dances which are the feature attraction.

In the course of the chit chat preceeding the inevitable question (do you want a dance) invariably they will ask where you are from, what do you do, are you on business, single or married and often times I was asked about OTC or if I wanted company OTC. Or I asked what they liked to do in their spare time and they interpreted it as an overture to meeting OTC which was not my intention- they interpreted it as a hint.

I believe that the attraction was because I was traveling by myself and therefore could use some company and that these dancers were willing to provide company in return for payment for their "companionship". I was just surprised at how apparently prevalent this seemed to be during my trip. It seems to be more common in my experience than say 5 years ago- related to bad economic times??

Other places which I have liked are good guys in DC and club erotica just outside of pittsburgh!

How about for us who like up-close nude stage dancing, not so much interested in the "extras"

It bothers me if the dancers are doing something they really don't want to do only for the money. A turn-on in any situation is meeting someone who is having fun with their job. In areas where the social climate is accepting of the profession, you have dancers who are more "normal" and fewer immigrants who are "forced" into it IMHO.

Someone who is personable, doubles as a friendly acquaintance, and likes what they do with no hangups.

It’s hard to imagine how this place is going to survive with the stricter rules unless they reinvent themselves, dancers won’t want to work here if they can’t make $

That was a input mistake on my part for which I apologize. I would say the dancers were 6 to 8

I was told the day girls r generally local to TJ while the night girls come to Tijuana just to work for a couple of weeks then go back home. So u r more likely to see familiar faces on days if u r a repeater.