Never fall for the tricks
Mr Monger
Went to a non extras club the other day and a wanted to address something. A lot of dancers want to be seen as “clean” or I’m not that type of girl image for some reason. They will say “ oh only dance that’s it”, but they will still try to sell the fantasy of extras.
For example I saw a girl who I thought possibly could be down for otc. I called her over and had a little talk. I asked her if she did meet ups. She told me to throw some money first. Bam!! I thought in head let the games begin. Now what this told me was she was trying to get as much money out of me in the club only to ghost me after. You got to ask yourself, if you throw $200-$300 bucks why would she feel the need to meet up ? She already got what she wanted without doing any “work”.
So then I proceeded to ask for her number because maybe I can just contact after, but then she hits me with “only if you do a dance with me” I said okay fine. Then she changes it to 3 dances. I’m like okay now she’s just running game on me. But I bite the bullet and did the 3 dances which I usually don’t do because I don’t get any satisfaction from it at all. Honestly it bores me. So she does her lousy 3 dances and then ask me for a tip. I’m like lol number first, she says fine and puts her number in my phone.
So I go back to the bar and she follows. I asked her if I text her will she text back? She then says “only if you buy me a drink” I’m like what the hell man. This chick really think I’m green. That just killed the mood for me and just bounced.
I honestly want to show how dancers pull these games and tricks on the rookies. That’s why I know to never give my power up from the beginning meaning my money. Once I give her that she loses the incentive to do OTC. Keep the spending at minimum and tell her if she wants some real cash she’s gonna have to play ball. After all you can’t lose if you didn’t waste any money. Let her show her hand before yours. This is chess not checkers boys!
For example I saw a girl who I thought possibly could be down for otc. I called her over and had a little talk. I asked her if she did meet ups. She told me to throw some money first. Bam!! I thought in head let the games begin. Now what this told me was she was trying to get as much money out of me in the club only to ghost me after. You got to ask yourself, if you throw $200-$300 bucks why would she feel the need to meet up ? She already got what she wanted without doing any “work”.
So then I proceeded to ask for her number because maybe I can just contact after, but then she hits me with “only if you do a dance with me” I said okay fine. Then she changes it to 3 dances. I’m like okay now she’s just running game on me. But I bite the bullet and did the 3 dances which I usually don’t do because I don’t get any satisfaction from it at all. Honestly it bores me. So she does her lousy 3 dances and then ask me for a tip. I’m like lol number first, she says fine and puts her number in my phone.
So I go back to the bar and she follows. I asked her if I text her will she text back? She then says “only if you buy me a drink” I’m like what the hell man. This chick really think I’m green. That just killed the mood for me and just bounced.
I honestly want to show how dancers pull these games and tricks on the rookies. That’s why I know to never give my power up from the beginning meaning my money. Once I give her that she loses the incentive to do OTC. Keep the spending at minimum and tell her if she wants some real cash she’s gonna have to play ball. After all you can’t lose if you didn’t waste any money. Let her show her hand before yours. This is chess not checkers boys!
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last commentEven in our most extras heavy clubs, I wouldn't immediately ask a stripper if she met up outside the club. Much of the value of the stripper/strip club paradigm is that it offers both sides an opportunity to get to know one another first. I almost always offer a dancer I find attractive a drink or a bite to eat, it's one of the lowest cost ways to get to know them. Unless they say or do something remarkably bad, I'll move on to a dance of some sort. Again, unless it's particularly bad, I'll get a couple. Only at that point if we've had a good time would I bring up the topic of exchanging info to meet up again. Often times the initial question revolves around meeting back up at the club, though admittedly its pretty common for meeting up elsewhere to come up at that point. But by then, we've got a feel for if we're a good match personality wise and we've built up a bit of trust.
Sure, I occasionally buy some drinks and dances that you might consider a waste of money. But I don't view it that way. I view it is saving time and money on meeting up with a girl OTC who isn't any fun. Or avoiding a girl who would likely flake on me anyway.
You can view it the way you like, but in this case I can absolutely see why the stripper would react the way she did to your approach. A fair amount of trust on both sides is required for an OTC meeting. Or a lot of risk tolerance, perhaps a level that most would say is reckless. You don't trust her, yet you want her to trust you. A lot of trust can be built on small things ITC. You buy her a drink & she responds with some table side affection. You agree to dance, she gives you a good dance you you pay her afterwords. Within a very short time, you've had a few successful transactions and gotten to know each other. You can then build on that, such that the giant leap to an OTC meetup is more of a small step.
Again, no offense to you. I'm not gonna tell you how to have fun in a strip club. But, consider that people like me exist and the stripper you encountered may not be trying to scam you for cash but rather she may be more comfortable operating in a model similar to what I described.
I didn't include the back story to spare you from reading a screed. I certainly agree immediately asking a stripper is inadvisable and not proper in any type of club. In my experience, we had spent substantial time together and we seemed very compatible. She gave me the vibe she was comfortable being with me, as she would return after going around to the tables. So I thought she might be up for an OTC experience. Her response about a VIP came as a shock. I didn't see the need for having to spend even more money that evening. Reality set in. She knew I was good for the money and she was good at creating a fantasy. She thought I was naive and would go for a VIP. I thought she crossed the line. Once she realized that I wasn't going to spend any more money she got pissed and walked away.
I build a little trust, but I also enjoy the drinks and dances so even if she says no when I eventually ask her, I don't consider it a waste.
I mean I would call a hooker up and this was the exact dialogue:
“Hey are you available?”
“Yes baby how much time ?”
“ hh”
“Okay 150 baby”
Sends the location and bam I’m getting sex, but with strippers it’s not as easy. You gotta play the game a little whether you like it or not. I hate it but it is what it is.
Lemme give you some rickvice: find your inner fun-loving weirdo. Then strippers will be all charmed by you and shit. You know who is a fun-loving weirdo? The Stripperlovingape. So you should ask yourself what the Stripperlovingape would do? That may be challenging so I recommend find an alien 👽 mask and a novelty cowboy hat like this one:
https://www.windycitynovelties…
Wear that shit to the club and see how things go for you. Report back with your stories of success. ROAR!!!
Picking up low volume strippers for OTC from non-extras clubs is a different game. These girls are usually not working in that type of club by accident. But OTOH, they aren't working as cashiers at Walmart either. They are already removing their clothes and rubbing on guys for a living. They just don't want to think of themselves as outright hookers. Plenty of these girls will do OTC opportunistically if conditions align (comfort, money, etc.).
But fishing for these girls is a different game. It requires that you be able to enjoy other things in clubs. For guys like Dolfan and Subraman, that's dances and drinks. For me it's drinks and barside entertainment, which I tip well for. This also provides plenty of time for rapport building.
It also requires that you be able to: (1) talk with these girls like a human being; (2) have the budget to play a longer game and pay the higher OTC freight that these girls want; (3) be OK with playing a time and patience game, including being OK with striking out; and (4) be able to realistically assess early on whether a girl is a real prospect or if it will likely never happen.
I usually have a few girls in various parts of the pipeline at one time, including at least one active one and a couple of developing prospects. But again, this requires a budget that includes club fishing activities.
But the second you went directly at this girl with "do you do meetups" it was pretty much a guarantee that, even if she did, she was never going to do it with you. From there the stringalong was almost inevitable, lol.
As far as your specific scenario, I still don't know enough to make an educated judgement. Like Subra said, the basic premise that some strippers will string you along is absolutely true. My point is that there is a bit of give and take, customers also string dancers along. And both do worse to each other. Both sides develop some instincts for finding compatible partners and moving on from relationships they see as having no future. It's an art, not a science. Success rates will not be 100%, both sides will waste some time and both sides will pass on what could have been mutually beneficial arrangements sometimes.
Or in a much shorter way, I don't think treating strippers like escorts is likely to yield positive results. They are not the same.
Ski's point that drinks and dances have entertainment value in and of themselves is also valid. I certainly go to strip clubs and partake of those activities for their own merit. I disagree that OTC is stupid, but again agree with his other point that everyone does this for their own reasons.
and back to @OP, it's not about being easy vs difficult. They're different things, while there is some overlap, it's nowhere near 100%. Escorts, as you mention, are very focused on sex. With strippers on the other hand, sex is generally a smaller portion of their job. For many, it might not be part of it at all. Even for the strippers who offer sex, they usually prefer it in the club. That's why they are there. If the type of interaction you're seeking is what you describe, stick with escorts. Or you could try ITC in an extras heavy club. If you really want to get down to business, you could walk into some of the clubs around here and have a conversation like:
You: "Hi, will you do a room for $200"
Her: "okay, you pay $25/50/75 to club too" the number will depend which club you are at.
Most of the clubs will have a group of girls sitting at a table you see as soon as you walk in. If you like one of em, you could be having sex literally less than 5 minutes from the time you pulled into the parking lot. If you liked her and wanted to see her again, you could probably come back the next day and the conversation would be trimmed down to "hi, you ready?" "yes" and you'd be getting down with less than 5 words and under 2 minutes.
But, you walked up and asked that same girl for her number to meet you OTC the first time you saw her, then she's gonna roll her eyes and say something in Spanish that will cause the other girls to laugh. Again, once you've seen her a few times ITC, it might be a very different story.
you’re not in stripper 101 anymore obviously.
you are in stripper 301.
So very wise: ^^ This !!
And there are multiple kinds of strippers. Some are focused on volume, and as long as you appear safe, they will meet OTC. Some will just meet with anyone theu think is capable of paying otc, and thats because they have a pimp for security. Some are more selective with who they do otc with, and need to feel safe. A lot of guys exaggerate that category and want to tell themselves theyre special and the only guy the girl is seeing OTC. Or they will tell themselves theyre part of an elite class of men, and that the girl only sees 2 or 3 clients OTC because she is so selective or only sees guys she is attracted to. Its not the reality but some people want to feed their egos. Them seeing you otc is about trust, safety, hygiene.
“have the budget to play a longer game and pay the higher OTC freight that these girls want;”
From my understanding this is not true. From other posters, these girls want $200-$300 for OTC meetups. That is more than what a backpage or STG girl would want, but it is less than what a lot of escorts charge. Additionally with the dancers it will often be per meetup, not priced by the hour. So you may get 2 hours, 3 hours or even an overnight stay, for the $200-$300 whereas an escort wouldnt do it unless she had no pimp, no clients waiting and liked you enough.
gee I wonder why she thought that?
1. but then she hits me with “only if you do a dance with me” I said okay fine.
2. "Then she changes it to 3 dances. But I bite the bullet and did the 3 dances"
3. "I asked her if I text her will she text back?"
man up and learn how to say no to girls. they aren't scary. you treat pussy as special, so you come across like a needy weird loser who has to bargain for a fuckin phone number. i don't blame her one bit, she just did what she needed to do with you.