OTC In’s and Out’s

Find out what she'll do bare. If she's charging 300 you should get bbbj. Also, if you have msog in you, ask her how many pops for 300. She might think she's entitled to 300 for cbj and a quick bang and go. Ensure you get more than that.

If she’s good money in the strip club already I wouldn’t stress too much about it. She’s somewhat vetted. Some of her these dudes on here just have random girls come over.

Depends on where you are and what the going rate is in your area. In the more rural midwest I have never had a girl qoute me $300 and it not include FS. However, in a place like NYC, LA or Vegas I could see them asking that just for 30-60 minutes of the same type of dances you get in the club.

If there is something specific you are wanting make sure that you clarify that up front. For instance, some girls will include cbj but upcharge for bbbj or like mickey mentioned some will charge extra if you want to go again after the first pop.

Not to overanalyze this, but have you actually done the whole dance with any of your options ITC? If that's doable for you, maybe consider it if this is your first go round with OTC. I don't get into the details on what's going to happen unless she asks upfront, because I think the vibe works better for me if there's a bit of mystery to it.

Plus sometimes I just get surprised and hang on for dear life because some girls are just freaks lol. You can't negotiate a no joke PSE. They just happen. There's one dancer I decided not to do OTC with because I'm ngl this chick at a club in NJ ragdolled me ITC in the VIP booth and I thought she was gonna break the wall down lol. I'll try that one again after I hit the gym...

In all the OTC encounters I've negotiated, I've never had any girl use the term "private dances" lol. Typically, when the party moves to the hotel, everyone knows what's expected and the only thing that needs to be negotiated upfront is the price. If a girl is actually using the term "private dances" then you should make it clear upfront that LDs are not really what you're seeking.

But beyond that, IMO you should just go with the flow. You should assume that she intends to be there only as long as it takes you to cum. If you want more than that, then you should work that out in advance.

Also, if you require a condom, you'd best bring one with you. Unless she's a high volume ITC FS provider, the odds are good that she won't be carrying one. I saw that another poster suggested that you ask her what she'll do bare, but IME that usually works itself out in the hotel room. IMO all that you accomplish by bringing it up in advance is to make her self-conscious about the condom issue.

Good luck and have fun!

Normally, I'm a staunch opponent of getting into details about what you're gonna do, how long, how many times, etc, etc etc. If you've spent time with this girl in the club you should have some sort or rapport and you should know her MO. As others have mentioned, a more natural encounter is much better.

In my experience, as long as you're within some basic parameters, the value derived from letting the experience be as natural as possible far outweighs the risk of not getting exactly what you think you want beforehand. What I mean is that by asking her for specific things you put undue focus on those specific things and she comes over with a checklist to complete. She's gonna wanna check those things off and gtfo asap. When you're a little more flexible, she comes over expecting to please you sexually.

But that Private Dances phrase is a bit unsettling. If you've specifically negotiated private dances, and that's not what you want or expect, I think you've fucked up and need to take corrective action or you're both likely in for a bad time. That doesn't mean you need to explicitly negotiate the script of a porn scene in precise detail. But you have to say something to make it clear it's not just dances. Normally, if you've asked a girl to meet in your hotel room or come back to your house, it's clear what you're asking without any extra words. In the future, if you're the one who used those words, I'd suggest finding a new phrase to avoid confusion. If she specifically uses phrases like that, I'd find a new dancer cause she's probably seriously expecting to dance.

Even in a situation where you've cast doubt using terms like private dances, I wouldn't get into details of when and how to use a condom when you get into the details. As mentioned, it'll only draw attention to the matter and make it more of an issue than it needs to be. Just go with the flow. I would absolutely ensure you've got one, even if you're hoping to raw dog her. Always better to have and not risk the whole thing blowing up for want of a condom. If you want one for everything, just put it on when you're ready for it.

This board is the only place I ever encounter this "private dances" concept. What guy in his right mind would pay the freight to get a girl OTC and book a hotel room just to have her keep her clothes on and do LDs? 😆

Heck, it's so odd a concept that it would likely be a harder sell to many dancers than a much more relatable FS OTC outing. After all, a girl can certainly understand a guy wanting to fuck her, but would no doubt be much more suspicious of a guy who claimed to want to pay her a lump sum to come to a hotel room and give him a pointless LD. Many girls would no doubt assume that he's running some type of con.

I've done OTC with dancers who don't more OTC than ITC (or at least not with me). I've never had a problem with them coming to my place or going to theirs. But I've never done OTC with a dancer I hadn't known for at least a couple of months, and I'd found them to be reasonably stable.

^ So you're the one. I hope you didn't pay her for it, lol. 😉

I have very limited experience with OTC, but I have only gotten OTC from girls that I’ve fucked ITC. So there’s never been a concern about expectations. Most of the “negotiation” has been about logistics and perhaps time - how long do I want her to stay. But time has never been an issue for me since once I pop it’s time for her to go. I don’t need her to stick around and cuddle.

Although one of my OTCs wanted to stick around even after I told her she could go. We both took showers and then enjoyed laying around in the hotel robes while watching TV and raiding the mini bar. I told her I wasn’t paying her more to stick around, and she said that’s OK, she said she was having fun and didn’t have anything else to do. Then we laid on the bed and started making out. When we were just about to fuck again, she said that she should go now.

The hanging around and making out afterwards was really nice. It happened organically and spontaneously, and it was actually more enjoyable than the more transactional OTC fuck for money session that we did earlier.

As someone who has seen escorts before, this seems like the way to go when I am having a hard time laying civvie girls. Honestly at 32 the women my age are stating to show age and Im much more attracted to girls in their 20's

@Dugan… there was a point where I would have considered paying a girl to go to a hotel room just for private dances, nothing more… but it would be because of one of the following reasons. Being extremely religious and wanting to avoid full on sex outside of marriage… using lapdances as a loophole.
Being embarrassed of or unwilling to show my naked body to someone Or… having zero sex drive or serious ED related issues I suspect anyone doing the paying for private dances thing falls into one of those categories… and i agree that a lot of dancers would assume there is a catch to the guy asking for that…

As far as dancers explicitly offering that… ive only came across one possibly 2 dancers, over the years who have offered something like that.. They were horrible, scamming dancers to begin with, one of them had a black boyfriend, and gave out airdance lapdances….

There are dancers who will offer that.. but they are literal thieves.. being intentionally vague about the situation and if a guy bites and pays for the otc, the dancer can refuse to provide service and say she only agreed to private dances

Its all shady behavior but it should be easy to figure those girls out if you get even a basic lapdance or two from them.. the way i see it is if shes not grinding hard in the dance or has strict rules like no nipple touching no pussy touching.. no way will she perform any sort of OTC.

@mickey most girls wont do bare full service sex with strangers.. its too risky. Yes bbbj they often will do.. and DFK and DATY.

Also many escorts may charge extra for MSOG. I dont think dancers will, because otc with a dancers is meant to be more informal and more like a genuine encounter. The escorts who charge for msog are very possibly pimped. If they charge for every little thing theyre probably pimped, so dont book them unless its to give them a good old KO or steal back their stolen funds to return to the rightful owners

@booty lover yeah it can get awkward if you straight up ask her what shell do bare beforehand. But i have something even better that you can use to vet her. Before you go through with OTC, without paying much extra, see if she allows you to do DATY on her and finger her until she cums. If she allows them, she should be good for itc. If she doesnt allow them, or only allows them for a short time, its a red flag and means something is off, most likely a boyfriend pimp.

If shes the one who started using the private dances term, thats an obvious scammer, probably with a thuggy boyfriend too. If you can get away with it somehow id definitely suggest going for a one-two

^ you have an overactive imagination w/too much time on your hands. Try to figure no yourself other more positive outlets to direct your thoughts onto.

OK, as for the "ins and outs" of OTC, the point is to go in and out. Of her pussy, her mouth, and, if you're into that, her ass.

@rickdugan, I'll point out that big butt liker said, "I've done OTC with dancers who don't more OTC than ITC." That does NOT automatically mean he only got lap dances OTC. 🤣🤣

I'm in the "go with the vibe" camp, both ITC and OTC. Plus, I always develop a rapport with any girl ITC, both floor interaction and VIP, before moving on with OTC. Tends to minimize mismatched expectations and disappointments.

So far, so good.

Based on all of my OTC experiences combined you should do: .