How would you handle this VIP (bait and switch) situation

Get an escort next time geez
$1100?

@dc++

I will play along and comment on your discussion.

Q: how would you handle situation #2? (offered FS and it was a standard dance)

A: You answered your own question; and I quote: “I should have said something half way in”

In the pay-for-sex industry you the buyer take a risk because it is an “illegal transaction” and Technically you are paying for her time and she has the option to don’t deliver on the agreed terms, and you can’t call the police or report her to the better business bureau, or her manager.

I am sure we all the people in tuscl have had similar experiences. The fact is that you can’t control how someone treats you, but you can control you react to the treatment.

You also wrote, and I quote again:
“I feel like I got more screwed over than I can even imagine.”

No one can make you feel anything without your consent. Your feelings are just that—yours and yours alone.

Think of this situation as the cost of playing and learning the game of pay-for-sex. In fact it cost you what you paid her to know she is a “scammer, cheating whore”that is, forget about her and move on to the ones that you feel are worth your time and money and offer a win win transaction.

So don’t think about her anymore.

Let’s be careful out there.

And remember pics and vids or it didn’t happen.

:D

an expensive learning curve. been there. still learning.

Never, ever pay for a service before it is rendered with adequate quality work. This applies to haircuts, brake repairs and strip club services.

I discuss money before a room when I am on vacation. In my regular clubs it comes up during the time in the Cr, because ses should be fun and interactive, not robotic and lame, which I prefer to never have, even for free. No idea why any guy feels the need to overpay for a shitty experience, just because they might walk away unresolved.

I would have handled it by not paying her the full asking price upfront in the first place. Lesson learned.

In situations where a girl is insistent, the most I will do is show her the cash and agree to give her half upfront and half upon completion. If she isn't OK with that, then I walk.

Part of the learning curve is developing discipline, including the ability to withstand pressure to do whatever she asks because you are horny. Generally you know you're screwed when one or more of the following starts:

- She absolutely must have all of the $$$ upfront;
- She starts trying to upsell after the price was already agreed;
- She suddenly wants to let you know what her "rules" are; and/or
- She starts playing other games before or during the "dance."

You have to learn when to spot it and be willing to stand up and walk. This includes not throwing good money after bad. Yes it sucks to lose a pricey room fee and/or other money if you gave her some upfront, but if you continue with her she'll have her hand out again soon enough to relieve you of even more. Think of your money like little soldiers. When you learn that your advance party was ambushed by a far superior force, you don't send more soldiers in to die a similar death.

1. Never ever pay up front.

2. Take the L on the vip, never ever book with her again, call out her name as a ROB on tuscl, and move on.

3. Similarly never ever book with the harpy that approached you after the failed vip.

4. Accept that sometimes you pay and lose. If you can’t afford or stomach that, this is the wrong hobby for you.

5. You’ll get a better sense of who is and isn’t a ROB over time. Be patient and observant, be willing to pull the rip cord on a dodgy looking situation.

6. We’ve all been there, so you’re not alone!

7. Always be a gentleman. Pitching a fit at the club over a shitty vip is beneath you.

Write a review and call out dishonest dancers.

First, when it's a new-to-me dancer (especially in a new-to-me club) I never pay in full up front. I have sometimes offered 1/3 or 1/2 up front if the dancer really balks (and she's really hot). But, never in full.

Second, yes, you are correct. You should have said something sooner rather than waiting for her to pull the trigger. This is especially true when it's only a 15-minute VIP. I mean, if my Spidey sense starts tingling after 3-5 minutes, I'm reminding the dancer of promises made. And if it starts to get really awkward or contentious, then I end the VIP early.

Sometimes you pick the wrong dancer for what you want. I'd rather spend my time looking for the right dancer rather than sitting in a VIP with a dancer that's obviously not going to follow through.

I'll also note that it's often a red flag for me if a dancer asks for a bonkers huge amount of money. Because there's a certain point at which "expensive" or even "overpriced" becomes the "I actually don't want to do this at all." price.

First and foremost, do us all a favor and quit with the $, $$$$$ shit please. In what world is $$$$$ easier to type or read than 500? God help us in trying to understand what $$.5 and similar shit means.

As far as handling situation #2 goes, I'd have cut bait the second she came out with the outrageous first number. The percentage of times it goes well after that is so low it's not even worth wasting the time to negotiate. I'd simply have said: no thank you, it was a pleasure meeting you, have a good night. If she came back and cut her number in half, I'd have still passed. That's not to say a girl can't have higher than average prices and be worth it, but if it's really that far out of wack it's a strong indicator of problems to come.

If you miss that exit, the warning signs Rick mentioned are you're next best places to take the off ramp. I'm happy to throw away $50-100 to the club on the room fee rather than give a dancer with scammy practices $300-500 in hopes I'll get what I want. I've also found that quite often if I exit the room within 3-5 minutes of entry and politely explain to the person who I paid for the room that the dancer and I had a disagreement on price, they'll let me come back with someone else without paying the fee again. This is especially true if I tipped them at the start or they've seen me before, and I tip them again upon re-entry if they agree.

No one will say it better than Kenny Rogers. Know when to fold em.

2) she burned you. hopefully you learn something from that and just move on.

3) very interesting... and how did this girl know that you got a shit vip from 2) ? my radar would be indicating that 2 & 3 are friends. if that is so there would be no fucking way in hell that i would take a chance on 3. but you did and luckily for you that one worked out.

1G in one night. now that post nut clarity has settled in do you regret spending that amount?

I agree with abode posters: an outrageous first offer is a red flag. It means either gps, delusions, or an attitude of trying to get away with stuff. Either way you’re not getting what you want.

Cut your losses, get out.

If someone tries to rush me to the back, that's a red flag. Best was when I was getting a few tableside dances at Vivide--she was utterly fucking smoking hot but dances were mid--and out of nowhere she comes with "wanna fuck?" Bad vibes.

There is no moving on- regarding scenario 2, go back to the club, figure out a way to steal back what she stole from you whether in the club or outside the club. Or wear a skimask outfit like many in atlanta do, and give her a good old fashioned KO.

Anytime someone steals from you, you should do anything you possibly can to harm them legally, financially, physically, mentally etc. you should definitely post reviews naming and describing her as a ROB, but at the same time- if you think you can get away with more, do whatever else you can. Thieves nowadays get a slap on the wrist legally, but just a few hundred years ago they would be sold into slavery.

In reality you win some lose some.

I generally agree with not paying in advance if possible. Some clubs more than others it is standard. There's a fine line between spoiling a moment with negotiations VS protecting your money. I usually give it a gut feeling check. If it feels off, I politely decline. That said I've never walked out of a vip over a disagreement.

Now the girl that over promised and under performed is a ROB. Yes you can replay the first few minutes of the time and say you.shoild have pushed the performance faster. I've always tried to set the pace and initiative as much as possible to get down to business quickly. Especially in a 15 min slot.

By all means, out the ROB here by name. Do it in a discussion on the clubs page, not a general
discussion.

When they promise too much while trying to upsell you know its a scam. OP mentioned she talked a lot. They do that to get you to lose track of time and guide your mood. Thats what hookers do a lot when they roll tricks.

rick dugan +1- Has a good way of putting things- thinking of $$ like an army good analogy.

The hookers and dancers doing that probably have boyfriend pimps. Make’s it all the better if you fight back

I charge $500 and I am worth it. My response. My dick hates large numbers and is now flaccid. That cuts of bargaining.

"Paid for another 15 minutes" does not compute with "She danced and talked a ton".

In 15 minutes we don't have time to really talk. 15 minute fuck time allocation:

1 minute to work with the vibe, kiss, caress, grope, get some chemistry and juices flowing
1 minute to get naked and prep/condom/etc.
2 minutes for warmup head and it better be nice and deep since she knows it ain't gonna be but a few minutes
8 minutes for your top 2 positions, a 3rd if one of them isn't going well
2 minutes to climax and bust that nut, and clean up
1 minute to put your clothes on and gtfo

no dancing. if you have 30 minutes there's more time for a little bit of that but more than a minute of dancing is just unnecessary.

btw "she started out with an outrageous #" should be met with a very simple "nah, see ya". it's disrespectful to you, and anything other than a dismissal shows her you tolerate bull shit. don't speak to her again until future visits, and only if she approaches you and asks politely to join you, and she better come with a bargain number for you. girls like this are not worth your time or dollars unless they can change real quick.