How would you handle this VIP (bait and switch) situation
Hit a place I go to a couple times a year when I am in the area. Almost always a great experience.
Saw three women:
[1] Paid the 15 minutes for a VIP with a decent dancer that offered extras, somehow her price was $ all in. No pop. And she needed to hit the stage. All good.
[2] Paid for another 15 minutes VIP with someone, much hotter, who offered extra, confirmed on FS, she started out with an outrageous # , which I said $$$$$, she agreed. She danced and talked a ton; I should have said something half way in, like wtf is this going. Before I know it, times up- bouncer knocks, and she asks me if I want to keep going. You offered FS and it was a standard dance. I feel like I got more screwed over than I can even imagine... (or pocket).
[3] Went back to hang out at the bar, a third comes by and asks about VIP, said I heard you weren't happy with your last VIP, just as hot; $$$$ all in, no issues.
Crazy how much the prices and experience change. But - how would you handle situation #2?
Saw three women:
[1] Paid the 15 minutes for a VIP with a decent dancer that offered extras, somehow her price was $ all in. No pop. And she needed to hit the stage. All good.
[2] Paid for another 15 minutes VIP with someone, much hotter, who offered extra, confirmed on FS, she started out with an outrageous # , which I said $$$$$, she agreed. She danced and talked a ton; I should have said something half way in, like wtf is this going. Before I know it, times up- bouncer knocks, and she asks me if I want to keep going. You offered FS and it was a standard dance. I feel like I got more screwed over than I can even imagine... (or pocket).
[3] Went back to hang out at the bar, a third comes by and asks about VIP, said I heard you weren't happy with your last VIP, just as hot; $$$$ all in, no issues.
Crazy how much the prices and experience change. But - how would you handle situation #2?
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$1100?
I will play along and comment on your discussion.
Q: how would you handle situation #2? (offered FS and it was a standard dance)
A: You answered your own question; and I quote: “I should have said something half way in”
In the pay-for-sex industry you the buyer take a risk because it is an “illegal transaction” and Technically you are paying for her time and she has the option to don’t deliver on the agreed terms, and you can’t call the police or report her to the better business bureau, or her manager.
I am sure we all the people in tuscl have had similar experiences. The fact is that you can’t control how someone treats you, but you can control you react to the treatment.
You also wrote, and I quote again:
“I feel like I got more screwed over than I can even imagine.”
No one can make you feel anything without your consent. Your feelings are just that—yours and yours alone.
Think of this situation as the cost of playing and learning the game of pay-for-sex. In fact it cost you what you paid her to know she is a “scammer, cheating whore”that is, forget about her and move on to the ones that you feel are worth your time and money and offer a win win transaction.
So don’t think about her anymore.
Let’s be careful out there.
And remember pics and vids or it didn’t happen.
:D
In situations where a girl is insistent, the most I will do is show her the cash and agree to give her half upfront and half upon completion. If she isn't OK with that, then I walk.
Part of the learning curve is developing discipline, including the ability to withstand pressure to do whatever she asks because you are horny. Generally you know you're screwed when one or more of the following starts:
- She absolutely must have all of the $$$ upfront;
- She starts trying to upsell after the price was already agreed;
- She suddenly wants to let you know what her "rules" are; and/or
- She starts playing other games before or during the "dance."
You have to learn when to spot it and be willing to stand up and walk. This includes not throwing good money after bad. Yes it sucks to lose a pricey room fee and/or other money if you gave her some upfront, but if you continue with her she'll have her hand out again soon enough to relieve you of even more. Think of your money like little soldiers. When you learn that your advance party was ambushed by a far superior force, you don't send more soldiers in to die a similar death.
2. Take the L on the vip, never ever book with her again, call out her name as a ROB on tuscl, and move on.
3. Similarly never ever book with the harpy that approached you after the failed vip.
4. Accept that sometimes you pay and lose. If you can’t afford or stomach that, this is the wrong hobby for you.
5. You’ll get a better sense of who is and isn’t a ROB over time. Be patient and observant, be willing to pull the rip cord on a dodgy looking situation.
6. We’ve all been there, so you’re not alone!
Second, yes, you are correct. You should have said something sooner rather than waiting for her to pull the trigger. This is especially true when it's only a 15-minute VIP. I mean, if my Spidey sense starts tingling after 3-5 minutes, I'm reminding the dancer of promises made. And if it starts to get really awkward or contentious, then I end the VIP early.
Sometimes you pick the wrong dancer for what you want. I'd rather spend my time looking for the right dancer rather than sitting in a VIP with a dancer that's obviously not going to follow through.
I'll also note that it's often a red flag for me if a dancer asks for a bonkers huge amount of money. Because there's a certain point at which "expensive" or even "overpriced" becomes the "I actually don't want to do this at all." price.
As far as handling situation #2 goes, I'd have cut bait the second she came out with the outrageous first number. The percentage of times it goes well after that is so low it's not even worth wasting the time to negotiate. I'd simply have said: no thank you, it was a pleasure meeting you, have a good night. If she came back and cut her number in half, I'd have still passed. That's not to say a girl can't have higher than average prices and be worth it, but if it's really that far out of wack it's a strong indicator of problems to come.
If you miss that exit, the warning signs Rick mentioned are you're next best places to take the off ramp. I'm happy to throw away $50-100 to the club on the room fee rather than give a dancer with scammy practices $300-500 in hopes I'll get what I want. I've also found that quite often if I exit the room within 3-5 minutes of entry and politely explain to the person who I paid for the room that the dancer and I had a disagreement on price, they'll let me come back with someone else without paying the fee again. This is especially true if I tipped them at the start or they've seen me before, and I tip them again upon re-entry if they agree.
No one will say it better than Kenny Rogers. Know when to fold em.
3) very interesting... and how did this girl know that you got a shit vip from 2) ? my radar would be indicating that 2 & 3 are friends. if that is so there would be no fucking way in hell that i would take a chance on 3. but you did and luckily for you that one worked out.
1G in one night. now that post nut clarity has settled in do you regret spending that amount?
If someone tries to rush me to the back, that's a red flag. Best was when I was getting a few tableside dances at Vivide--she was utterly fucking smoking hot but dances were mid--and out of nowhere she comes with "wanna fuck?" Bad vibes.
Anytime someone steals from you, you should do anything you possibly can to harm them legally, financially, physically, mentally etc. you should definitely post reviews naming and describing her as a ROB, but at the same time- if you think you can get away with more, do whatever else you can. Thieves nowadays get a slap on the wrist legally, but just a few hundred years ago they would be sold into slavery.
I generally agree with not paying in advance if possible. Some clubs more than others it is standard. There's a fine line between spoiling a moment with negotiations VS protecting your money. I usually give it a gut feeling check. If it feels off, I politely decline. That said I've never walked out of a vip over a disagreement.
Now the girl that over promised and under performed is a ROB. Yes you can replay the first few minutes of the time and say you.shoild have pushed the performance faster. I've always tried to set the pace and initiative as much as possible to get down to business quickly. Especially in a 15 min slot.
By all means, out the ROB here by name. Do it in a discussion on the clubs page, not a general
discussion.
In 15 minutes we don't have time to really talk. 15 minute fuck time allocation:
1 minute to work with the vibe, kiss, caress, grope, get some chemistry and juices flowing
1 minute to get naked and prep/condom/etc.
2 minutes for warmup head and it better be nice and deep since she knows it ain't gonna be but a few minutes
8 minutes for your top 2 positions, a 3rd if one of them isn't going well
2 minutes to climax and bust that nut, and clean up
1 minute to put your clothes on and gtfo
no dancing. if you have 30 minutes there's more time for a little bit of that but more than a minute of dancing is just unnecessary.