Stick to the Basic Rules
funonthaside
After many years of PLing, and 1000s of LDs, I failed to follow some basic rules, and it cost me money.
Below are the 2 I violated. It occurred at a club without a LD room attendant, where girls monitor their own dance counts.
1 - Pay after every song, to avoid miscount of songs
2 - Ask the girl to wait until the start of the next song to start dancing.
I became a bit sloppy, as it occurred at a club where I have spent much time in the past, and where girls typically either ask if I want to wait until the next song, or they simply choose to not count partial songs. Also, girls have tended to err on the side of undercounting songs, in which case I've paid the proper/higher count.
In this case, I simply paid the higher count (the said it was 6...when it was really only 4.25), to avoid conflict over $20 (it's a $10/song club, so the error didn't cost me much).
The $20 cash isn't the issue...its the principle that it could have been avoided, and a bit of annoyance with the girl for trying to pull something....and I'm sure I'm not the only victim of hers. But, she will never get another $1 from me ever. And, I'll consider it the cost of a retraining course for myself.
In summary, never let your guard down, even with regulars (although she was a new girl to me): I've intentionally left out club name, as this could happen anywhere where the girls control the song count).
Below are the 2 I violated. It occurred at a club without a LD room attendant, where girls monitor their own dance counts.
1 - Pay after every song, to avoid miscount of songs
2 - Ask the girl to wait until the start of the next song to start dancing.
I became a bit sloppy, as it occurred at a club where I have spent much time in the past, and where girls typically either ask if I want to wait until the next song, or they simply choose to not count partial songs. Also, girls have tended to err on the side of undercounting songs, in which case I've paid the proper/higher count.
In this case, I simply paid the higher count (the said it was 6...when it was really only 4.25), to avoid conflict over $20 (it's a $10/song club, so the error didn't cost me much).
The $20 cash isn't the issue...its the principle that it could have been avoided, and a bit of annoyance with the girl for trying to pull something....and I'm sure I'm not the only victim of hers. But, she will never get another $1 from me ever. And, I'll consider it the cost of a retraining course for myself.
In summary, never let your guard down, even with regulars (although she was a new girl to me): I've intentionally left out club name, as this could happen anywhere where the girls control the song count).
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Fills the board up with self validating comments that provide no value other than entertainment to those of us who know better.
And, you like the attention…
In fact, you thrive on any attention, positive or negative. It’s your way of trying to stay relevant as you fade away to nothingness. Something you and that dumb skier have in common. Simply put, you never could shut up, even when you look and sound stupid.
The other day with a regular, hung out for an hour, got who knows how many dances, VIP, talk only for 30 or 45 minutes afterward. Only before walking out the door did I pay her, and she didn't even count. Transaction girls who are so about the money just bore me to death.
I’ve had a few miscounts on how many songs over time but it’s way less than 1% of the time
2 - Agree, yes absolutely.
Like others, I never pay after every song. I've had a few girls ask me to, and I've obliged but that's the end of the dances. I'm not saying don't do it, but doesn't it not only kill the vibe but also eat into your dance time? Doesn't that kinda contradict the whole don't start mid song? Like drew said, I'd maybe consider confirming the count once or twice but if I felt I had do that every song I'd probably ditch that dancer too. Certainly if I felt the need to pay every song.
As I'm thinking about it, I generally don't rely on the girl to tell me how many songs or how much I owe either. If I'm back there for what I think is 5 songs, I pay her for 5 + a little tip. It's happened where a girl has said I shorted her, but it's been a long time. A few girls have given me a count or total before I could pay them, but that's pretty uncommon.
Valid point regarding verbally agreeing on dance count vs handing over money every song. That's a good compromise, and actually what I sometimes do even at that club. I just happened to fail with that in this instance, sadly when it was more important than ever.
but yeah... to ask her to wait for the next song to start is a good idea.
usually the only time I go for a second song is when it's part of a two for one.
The only exception is usually if I happen to be in a particular club in Columbus on one of their $10/song nights. At that club the vip is no higher mileage than the regular dances so when they have their $10/song days you can get 30 minutes worth of dances for around $100 instead of the 30 minute vip that is $175 for the same value. In that case I just verbally confirm how many we've done every few songs, if she starts to overcount we're done.
I know it’s taboo, but I hate stage tipping for couple of reasons (1) Tipping a dancer and she’s unappreciative and (2) Tipping makes a lot of them think I want dances when I actually don’t.
Sometimes, I get dances from dancers I don't want to because I have turned down so many. You need to demonstrate that you have money and you are there to spend it on dances, or dancers will ignore you because they think you have no money or are just there to gawk. Of course, a hazard at clubs now is that dancer will now latch on to you and take you out of circulation from being found by another dancer you may want to get a dance from. There are not enough paying customers to go around, although there don't seem to be enough attractive dancers to go around either.
If I'm in a new club where there is no effort going on, I'll often pick the first available acceptable dancer to tip and dance with so the dancers on shift know I have money. I'll do this so that the dancers in back also get a heads up that there's money on the floor.
I WANT the dancers who think I have no money to ignore me. When you spend money just to show you have money, you tip your hand, so I do just the opposite when I go to a new place or don't see many girls I recognize. Girls who are all about the money won't be as interested, and I like that. It gives other girls an opportunity to take a chance on me. They'll find out that I will spend money, but they first have to risk a little time and show a little effort to find out. Of course I'll flag down a hot girl and immediately get dances, but no way I'm going to spend money to attract mechanical, transactional bitches.
It's not one or the other. When I club I'm having to look at my time there versus anything else I need to be doing. My preference in a new club is to draw out as many girls as possible as quickly as I can to focus on the ones I think are most promising. I don't lose anything by chatting up a few extra girls if I'm on my game and not wasting their time or mine. You can't flag down a hot dancer you don't see because she's not on floor, and I don't usually have an hour to spare just to see which girls are in the stage rotation.
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