Did you ever think you'd see the day when you'd see even American politicians be

I don't support the attack on Isreal. Fuck Hamas.

Anywho, during the 70s, 80s, and 90s, several US politicians (local and national) openly supported the Irish Republican Army (IRA) and participated in Sinn Fein fundraising.

After the Lockerbie bombing, a lot of that money went directly to a willing Libya. Libya supplied the IRA with guns, munitions, and access to Libyan guerilla combat training camps. That training and armaments killed a lot of innocent people in Northern Ireland, Ireland, London, and other parts of England.

And if you keep going back, you'll find other examples of US politicians (from both sides of the aisle) forming alliances with groups that could easily be labeled terrorists, or worse.

https://www.nyjournalofbooks.com/book-re…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_i…

So this isn't a new thing or a sudden turn. But the good news is that your conservative CJKent shtick is coming along nicely.

You know what I appreciate research. Thank you I had forgotten about IRA bullshit. And yes Nazi stuff was before time but yes a lot of pro Nazi stuff back then. But idk man calling it conservative shtick what I'm saying here (perhaps some other things I've said but I don't know about this one) I could see plenty of democrats out there taking the same take I'm having right here and they have. Look bro I'm just taking issue with elected officials (progressives) here who can't even bring themselves to condemn beheading of children, slaughtering innocent concertgoers, beating grandmas to death...is that really a right wing take nowadays? Even it is then yeah I'm far as fuck right wing. You got me. Call me crazy but I reject "it's justified"

Hamas murdered 40 babies and children, cutting off the heads of some. Those supporting this are are fair game as far as I am concerned and no different. There is something inhuman about progressives.

I'm not saying it's justified. I'm saying it's not new. And if you really look at this historically, the pendulum of US politicians supporting varying degrees of terrorism has swung regularly from left to right depending on the issue, the politics of the day, and how one defined 'freedom fighter' versus 'terrorist'.

What is happening to Israel is horrible, but it's not a black swan event signaling that we should collectively clutch our pearls.

And, yeah, I get it. This thread will soon be loaded down with posters who love their performative partisan politics (some are already here...). Have fun with that.

Terrorist has lost all meaning it just means "people
I disagree with"

Could someone post any quotes supporting Hamas from elected US officials? I'm struggling to find examples, seems pro Israel from both Democrats and Republicans.

I support Israel but Bibi is corrupt and a terrible leader.

>You know what I appreciate research.

Then do more, and stop extrapolating fringe views to be representative of the majority. Widen your news consumption beyond NY Post.

Are we talking Hamas terrorists or Israeli terrorists?

@JamesSD: I'm struggling to find examples of elected officials explicitly expressing support for Hamas and their actions. There are multiple examples of refusing to condemn Hamas (e.g. CO State Rep Tim Hernandez), making statements that the proper response is to stop providing military aid to Israel (Cory Bush), or calling for an immediate cease fire before the Israelis even responded (AOC, Ilhan Omar). None of these are the same as explicit support but to those of who are stunned by the incredible evil of Hamas' actions (e.g. decapitating babies) these responses feel like implicit support.

@CMI yeah na dude not everything is trolling. What’s going on in TUSCL land where we can’t have a thread talking about what’s goin on in israel rn? 50 billion more threads on Tampa or where was Ashley from 10 years ago? I’m just contributing man, if nobody says anything the DB dies, you got any threads to toss in the hat? I’m all ears. I didn’t see the issue being talked about so here’s my take on it. Im open minded if I’m wrong call my ass out. We all yell at each other, get into it then afterward grab beers and talk about strippers again. Probably same shit we would all do at a meet up IRL

James SD:

Sometimes refusing to comment is just as bad. Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib refused to make a comment or condemnation about Hamas beheading babies.

The liberals on this board are such fucking pussies with their whataboutism, fake news-based superiority, bigotry and pretense. Fuck all of you.

Decent people are at a loss for words, anyone who has any moral code, should have no problem with the extermination of these brutal vermin, as far as I’m concerned Hamas has forfeited its right to live, I hope that they all will be dispatched to meet their Allah. The sooner the better.

@Muddy

I will play along and comment on your discussion.

Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence and fear to achieve economic, political and ideological gains.

The term is used to refer to violence during peacetime or in the context of war against non-combatants mostly civilians, women, children and elderly people.

America is from its founding the Largest Terrorist Organization in modern history.

From the genocide against Native Nations in America and all over the world, the destruction of other peoples lives and homes in the most violent way.

“Under the crust of that portion of Earth called the United States of America—"from California . . . to the Gulf Stream waters"—are interred the bones, villages, fields, and sacred objects of American Indians. They cry out for their stories to be heard through their descendants who carry the memories of how the country was founded and how it came to be as it is today.”

~ Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz, An Indigenous Peoples' History of the United States

Biden spoke definitively yesterday in support of Israel. Probably the strongest statement in support of Israel. The US government supports Israel. Full stop.

Anti Israel comments have some history in that they haven’t treated the Palestinians well. That’s not really in dispute. Where it is prone to exaggeration and misleading arguments is where people use Palestinians interchangeably with Hamas or Hezbollah. They are not the same and to make broad sweeping generalizations is ignorant.

There's a complicated history behind what's happening. The loser in all this is humanity. It feels like the people, many of them original natives to the area, just want to live their lives. The regular people are caught between rebels on one side who want to decimate everyone on the other. The big problem is that innocent folk are used as shields and killed at a higher rate than any of the warring factions. Terrorism is evil and so is the colonialism that spawned the extreme response. We can't go back and correct what has happened so there has to be a better way than cowardly wholesale killing that is so intractable.

^ What’s so complicated, these monsters went after Jews just because they were Jewish, there’s nothing complicated about this, they don’t give a shit about humanity, anyone who has any other theories is just a moron, this is not new, they’ve been killing Jews for sport since the beginning of time, the thing that’s different now is we have an army that will fight back, my hope is that the army doesn’t stop until the objective is reached, that means killing anyone who is involved with this horror and making it worse for them than they ever thought possible.

Hamas apologists only fool themselves. Their charter calls for the eradication of Israel and it will be replaced by an Islamic state. The Palestinians support them and voted for them. All of them chose terrorism. They all deserve the same fate.

“The thing that’s different now is we have an army that will fight back”.

2-bits, This really begs the age old question around “you and what army?” I hear that a lot amongst people who claim their local sports team is an extension of their real life, associating the efforts of the team to one’s personal arm chair tactics from their television. I digress. What I wonder is what the fuck that faggit Roger Waters from Pink Floyd is telling his followers about this conflict? Is he still denying the Israel occupation? I will never buy one single item that contributes to Roger Waters gain with his anti-Israel stance, and as far as I’m concerned nobody else should, too.

^ exactly what the fuck is your problem?
Fucking moron I don’t know what’s wrong with you but you need to seek help.

Anyone hear the racist hate groups CAIR, NAACP, SPLC saying that the palis shouldn't be chopping off the heads of babies? Me neither.

“...Centuries will pass, but from the rubble of our city, our hatred of those who are to blame, international Jewry and its lackeys...I have made it clear that if they treat the nations of Europe as tools that may be bought and sold by these international swindlers for money and material support, then that race, the Jewish race, which is truly responsible for this murderous struggle, shall bear the consquences...Above all, I oblige the national leadership and its followers to observe the racial laws scrupulously and subject the poisoner of all nations — international Jewry — to merciless resistance.”

~ Adolf Hitler
~ der Führer und Reichskanzler

When I first started this thread I thought it would be a yeah fuck terrorism and hamas circle jerk. Freedom, Justice, Liberty. We would all sort of be on kind of the same page.

BOY WAS I WRONG. WOW DUDE.

No surprise.

BLM has issued statements in support of Hamas and celebrating the attack.

At least 31 student groups at Harvard have issued statements in support of Palestine.

" these monsters went after Jews just because they were Jewish" is a stupid and factually false statement. Exactly what we expect from one of the most ignorant posters on this board. For fuck's sake, can you take some time to learn about something before you comment on it? These monsters invaded Israel and attacked everyone they encountered there- Israeli, foreigner, Christian, Jew and everyone else. The Palestinians do not hate Jews, they hate Israelis and Westerners. Get it right, dumbass. I'm tired of telling you this: GET IT. FUCKING. RIGHT.

For the actual event itself, Israel has an absolute right to defend itself. However, there were a series of missteps going back to the beginning of the century that led to this. Hamas should have never been allowed to take control of the Palestinian Authority. We have an equally dangerous domestic situation in the US with socialists and communists taking over our government, but Israel and the UN should have moved in immediately to displace Hamas before they assumed power and implemented an administrative governance.

After Saturday, there are no easy answers. Is Israel at war with Gaza, Palestine, or Hamas? How should the IDF respond to human shields (already answered)? They are creating new generations of Hamas and Hezbollah with every dead civilian. What should be done with the Palestinian population and the Gaza Strip after Israel has finished with Hamas? Should they remain a fundamentally Jewish state and exclude certain faiths from governance? Is that compatible with all citizens of Israel (Christian, Jew or Muslim/Palestinian or Israeli) deserving fair and equal participation in selecting their government? There are no easy answers and Hamas should be mercilessly destroyed, but with what level of collateral damage?

Watching the Israeli attacks on Gaza, I am reminded of Nietzsche's most popular quote: "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."

^ are you always a little cunt or just on this website?

Furthermore, it is absolutely expected that the same democrat party which was soft on communism in the 80s and has embraced it in the 21st century, should be embracing terrorism today. The democrat party explicitly endorsed domestic terrorism in the form of BLM, ANTIFA, and Defund riots and looting just a couple of short years ago.

C'mon, 25IQ, refute my statements. Attack my arguments. Rebut my assertations. I want you to do it. Prove to us that you are more than an uneducated blowhard.

Your response provided me with the answer you’re always a little cunt.

And stupid as well, your statements constantly show all here the depth of your ignorance

Your response provided me with the answer: you are a jealous, ignorant blowhard. I am not even going to continue with the "gotcha last" ad hominem attacks. That is your schtick. I have facts, logic, and reason. You have half-baked ideas, snide comments, and personal attacks. Everyone knows what you really are. Go ahead and take the last word now, I know it is more important to you than anything else. I am going to go, make money, see my friends and colleagues, and enjoy life. All the things you don't do.

^ As usual the last word goes to the 12 year old spoiled brat.

25 you are right Gam is a nazi and fucking stupid beyond belief.

@Muddy

It is never been about the Jews vs Palestinians…

In the war that followed the foundation of the “State of Israel” on May 14, 1948 some 700,000 Palestinians, half the Arab population of what was British-ruled Palestine, fled or were driven from their homes, ending up in Jordan, Lebanon and Syria as well as in Gaza, the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

NOTE: “BRITISH-RULED PALESTINE”

“More like 0.1% of regular ass humans tricking the rest of us into fighting among ourselves while they rob us blind.”

~ SanchoRG, Texas
~ Nov, 2021

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

^ That is 100% bullshit and used to justify terrorism. Murdering infants and then hiding amongst your own children to avoid paying the price is something no true human being can support. The IRA bombed people, but always sent out notices. Muslims never do. By the way for all you international law progressive cum stains. If you launch an attack from a civilian area, any civilians killed in the response are on you, not those who actually kill them.

“The targeting of civilians is a war crime, no matter who does it.”

Bernie Sanders, 10/11/23

^ The only ones targeting civilians here, are those thugs from Hamas

Bernie Sanders is a traitor to America, a tritor to the constitution and a traitor to jews. He makes Benedict Arnold seem like a decent chap. When he dies, I will be buying rounds.

Targeting civilians is a war crime, as is using them as human shields.

Part of what makes fighting terrorism so hard is they don't fight fair.

^ what really makes fighting terrorism so hard are the willingness of usually sensible people to make apologies for these horrendous actions. It’s not very hard if we agree on a simple points, like if you kill, rape, or commit murder, there’s going to be retaliatory actions, if civilians don’t want to be collateral damage expelling these people from your home is mandatory, allowing them to burrow in amongst your homes is no different than any other form of harboring a criminal. Complaining about being caught in the crossfire is disingenuous when you’re actually reloading weapons for the perpetrators of these barbaric acts.

Progressives are vile, jew hating, ignorant bigots and hypocrites. They worship losers and make excuses for their inhuman behavior.

The IDF is amassing 300,000 plus troops in the Gaza border. When they go in it’s going to be very tricky how to deal with the 150 or so hostages. It’s sad - but I don’t expect many to come out alive

Publicly - the principle is to leave no one behind. But I can’t help but to think they may become a casualty of war. The big picture may outweigh the lives of 150 souls.

@25, there are a lot of children in Gaza. I’m in no way defending Hamas. They are a terrorist organization and the attack was disgusting. I say that in the most extreme terms. The attack should not serve as justification for the IDF attacking civilian targets or failing to take civilian casualties into account when attacking Gaza. Killing of children, any children, is bad.

Speaking of progressive cum stain lawyers (citing skibum's descriptor of them), there is a law student at Harvard who has had her offer from a swanky law firm rescinded due to a pro-Hamas message she posted.

Good for them.

^ like I said the IDF doesn’t target innocents, but these innocents aren’t so innocent, they allowed and even invited these barbarians into their midst, how is it the responsibility of the victims to protect these animals from the consequences of their own actions.

Children. I’m talking about children who had no say in where they were born or who their parents were. “Targeting” includes indiscriminate bombing.

I’m not saying it’s a solvable issue or that the rules of war are clear. They aren’t. To use a biblical (or is it code of Hammurabi?) reference I’m wary of an “eye for an eye” justification of leveling Gaza. Hamas needs to be eradicated. The fact that they hide behind innocents does not absolve the IDF from considering innocent casualties. Much of the rhetoric talks about turning Gaza to glass or flattening it. That’s not helpful.

^ sterilize the animals
we neuter dogs and cats out of care do we not?

^Eugenics?! Genocide?! You're more of a Nazi than anyone ever in this board.

@HM
I’m going to give you some food for thought, I represent over seventy five cousins grand parents, uncles and aunts whom I’ve never met because my Grandma as a 12 year old child in 1902 was sent to live with her sister in NYC from Estonia, after a pogrom destroyed my great grandfather’s farm and factory, not long afterward WWI began and no one was able to get out, then shortly after WWI ended Adolph Hitler started his Brown shirts a few years after that the Nazis started their slaughter you might have heard of it, it was called the Shoach (Holocaust)
So what sympathy do you expect me to have for those animals that wiped out my family
Do you have any idea how many families have been affected by this barbarism in a so called civilized society.

@fun

Yeah - I saw that. Some are even going so far as to say “this is the beginning of the end of wokism”.

I’m not sure it’s to that point yet - but these same firms that were throwing wads of cash at BLM a few years ago are now pulling in the reigns.

That was barely coherent, but I'll pick it apart anyway.

You "represent"? Doubtful, I'm sure they would have disowned you a looong time ago.

Palestinian children living in Gaza had NOTHING to do with your sad little history as you described it, but you advocate genocide to somehow have two wrongs make what right exactly?

Israel and Palestine didn't even exist until the 50s or 60s. What illogic has your demented mind used to make that relevance?

@25. No need to be condescending. We’re repeating ourselves at this point.

I wasn’t being condescending, and you’re right we’re repeating ourselves because there are people here that really don’t care about the truth, anyone who says bullshit about the rules of law is just a sycophant trying to twist the facts. If you want to get it, picture yourself as a victim of these bastards, or what you’d do to protect your family if you were ever in this situation, until then don’t lecture anyone about the rules of law.

FFS, where was I lecturing?

Better not piss off 2-bits or else he’ll come at you with his “Army”! What a fucking blowhard pseudo intellect, arm chair quarterbacking comments he proves he knows little about. He just loves to hear himself make comments, and every other member smacks his candy ass down and he still fails to realize his stupidity. Only an angry childless fat lawyer would come to his rescue.

Let us be truthful. The original Israel was called Juda and Samaria and existed long before some blond guy from Europe became the son of god and some pedophile who fucked a 9 year old girl name MoHAMed became a prophet. Palestine never existed. Fake name created by the Romans who renamed stolen Jewish land. Kind of funny to watch Mate wet herself at the thought of having 25 beat the shit out of her. Progressives are vermin and need to be eradicated. Wish Raid came in a really big can.

Judea not Juda. Too much Ben Hur. MOTOR - I believe the Israelis have accepted that pretty much every hostage will be killed. The people of gaza chose hamas, so they killed their own kids too. Oh well, the world has yet to see a group of people who have never done a decent thing in their collective lives, other than the Palestinians. Remember Leon Klinghoffer and treat every Palestinian the same.

Let me add
@mates with his imaginary wife
go fuck yourself you’re as stupid as Gamma nu
who uses a sorority name as a handle
@ the 12 year old wanna be sorority girl.
Israel was established in 1948 that’s when the UN partitioned the British colony of Palestine the Arabs that called themselves Palestinians were originally Jordanians but being 12 you’d never know that and they had their own state.
One last point to anyone that wants to look it up there has been a constant Jewish presence in Judea and Samaria since before the pyramids were built, way before the Romans ever settled int the city of seven hills called Rome, Jerusalem is called the city of King David anyone here know when the city of Jerusalem was established?
Hint before there were Christians and Moslems, you guys really need to learn some history it’s obvious mate and gammanu don’t know history for sure but they sure like to tell everyone how little they know
Amazing to me that idiots spout off on a strip club board and display their utter stupidity.

Ozempic may be wonderful in lowering your A1c and help fat asses like yourself lose weight, but there are serious mental side effects you need to be aware of 2-bits. Seriously get yourself a clinical diagnosis of your mental status and walk yourself off the ledge. You lash out at anyone who disagrees with your view of the world, much like those angry progressives in Washington (AOC and feel the burn-y Sanders).

^ you might be the biggest pussy on earth. My guess is you have a 40" waist and a 30" chest and that is why you are so afraid of old fat people: you know its your future.

Assholes like skibum and 25IQ give the rest of the Jewish populace a bad name. You two blowhard fools make Hamas and Hezbollah look good by comparison.

^ Shut the fuck up you ignorant bigot who wants to hear from you about anything

Every time that 12 year old moron opens his piehole, the entire board gets a fuckin headache

Hey Gam you child of a pig and a monkey, I was raised roman catholic you stupid piece of shit, bigoted asshole. We know you're a Nazi and your entire family needs to be neutered and spayed. Now go suck Trump's cock boy, before you take it up the ass.

Both of you losers said you were going to quit the board. Why are you still here? Just two losers who even gave up on giving up. You idiots couldn't even quit right. Just leave the board like you said you would.

Hey stupid I said I was stopping going to strip clubs. My bad, I said it in basic englisg when I should have scribbled it in crayon so a fucking retard like you would understand.

Lol! I found the origins of SkiDumb. Such a true life story about him.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2AzAFqrxfe…

^ get cancer.

^ between the twelve year old bigot , and the savant who thinks he’s a market guru, two broke friendless losers.
How sad for them.

^^ get off Ozempic so your mental status returns to a manageable state. Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life with your schizophrenia posts, 2-bits!

^ Im willing to bet you’re fatter than I’ve ever been
Drunk that’s a personal choice but you’re too cheap to spend more than a dollar or two so of course you only drink whatever you can get from the trash can
And stupid I sincerely doubt that anyone here can match you for sheer stupidity
LOL

"So this isn't a new thing or a sudden turn."

Something I think that is new is widespread public support for the terrorists. There have been demonstrations with thousands of people, statements from professors and student groups, a large list of celebrities, in support of the terrorists cause. In a recent Harvard Harris poll 50% of people under 35 said that the terrorist attacks were justified. Yes, they condone terrorist attacks.

Some of the politicians statements have been along the lines of "I condemn the Hamas attacks, BUT what about Israeli blah blah"

You have to compare actions and numbers, not some assumed, imaginary intent.
Whichever side killed more people, and stole more land or private property is obviously the more evil side. It doesnt really matter what anyones intent or reason for doing it was. If a serial killer kills someone because of racism it doesnt make him better or worse than someone who killed because of sexism or poverty or boredom or etc

^Factually wrong on every point.

Lol, not really.
So youre arguing if one person or entity kills more people and steals more than the other entity, they can somehow… be less evil?
This is basic grade school math… 10 is greater than 1. Are you typing from prison?

I'm ending if you're really that stupid or just a troll.

Allies were less evil than Axis.
Union was less evil than Confederacy.
US forces in Mogadiahu were less evil than the warlords.
Coalition were less evil than Saddam in 1991.

As for the question of the original poster: yes.

BLM and ANTIFA are terrorists, and they were widely supported by the democrat party.

A PM I received proving monkeyman to be a troll:

Moneyman00
2 hours ago
Lol loser. Youre claiming killing more people is less evil than killing less people? Why arent your parents walking around with bleeding asses in prison

^ This has been known for a while.

Gammanu,

Im not sure what you’re talking about. Its a really simple concept. Whichever entity, person, or side kills more people , is the more evil side.

I havent looked in depth at the different historical battles you mentioned. But lets look at one example.

Youre claiming the Union killed more than the confederacy? Then they may very well have been the worse side. Its a fairly simple equation. If your side or team or whatever you want to call it, had 1000 people killed, and your side then kills many thousands of the other side, who in that scenario is worse? Obviously the one who killed more. Its not really something to debate or negotiate or go back and forth on its basic sense, basic morals.

So even looking at Hitler or whichever battle you want to bring up. If Hitler killed 6 million, then in response another entity kills 50 million, its pretty clear what the worse side is. Even if they were avenging the deaths on their side, vengeance doesnt really mean you can wipe out an entire race or country or etc.