ICE and dancer immigration status?

No, In Atlanta, where I club, all dancers must get a permit from the city that requires a background check.

1. This topic has come up a number of times.

2. I haven't noticed a difference, of course, I'm not asking anyone about their immigration status.

3. Deport every single illegal stripper in America if it saves even one American life.

4. Some people here are more concerned with the availability of cheap Latin tail than the safety and prosperity of Americans. If this describes you, eat a cholera patient's unwiped asshole.

ICE raids on strip clubs are already happening in the US. denverpost.com With the influx of cash coming to ICE from this disaster spending bill that was just passed, expect that to get much worse.

Additionally, the administration recently revoked the legal status of hundreds of thousands of Cuban immigrants. cnn.com. Meaning, there shit ton of cubana strippers who followed the law, immigrated here legally, and now suddenly find themselves to be illegal immigrants.

No question: They are coming for your favorite cubana.

This is what happens when you elect a populist charlatan demagogue who kow tows to the religious right.

^ Exactly who my #4 was referring to. Die mad, incel.

So ICE raids a makeshift nightclub that is set up and run by a violent gang for selling drugs and someone equates that to good after strip clubs.

@FredFoobaz "anti-immigrant actions of the current regime"

Tells me all I need to know about YOU. 1) This is enforcement of existing Immigration Laws Congress and POTUSs have passed to get people OUT who ILLEGALLY jumped over those who came here LEGALLY; 2) This is not a "regime." Enjoy watching "The View."

Now, I see no reason why we can't have changes to allow people to come here, get vetted/screened, work visas, pay all taxes, get private health insurance or employer paid, counted in the 10-year Census as "Legal Workers" however not part of the count for federal House seats, allowed to stay here for like 12-18 months then they need to go back, and re-do the process, AND NO get gov't benefits nor voting rights as they are not American Citizens. Gov't benefits/support are for Citizens.

@RonJax2 "the administration recently revoked the legal status of hundreds of thousands of Cuban immigrants" What legal status? A Biden or Auto-Pen ExO?

CNN "The Most TRUSTED Name In New" - NOT: "The program became a political flashpoint as Republicans argued the administration was misusing parole authority and overreached in establishing the program for those countries. At the time, Biden officials credited the program for driving down border crossings by instead providing a path for migrants to apply to legally migrate to the US. "

"President Donald Trump signed an order on his first day in office seeking to unilaterally end the program. That move prompted legal challenges that eventually made their way to the Supreme Court, which allowed Trump to strip protections for beneficiaries of the parole program."

NOTE: Supreme Court backed Trump's ExO ending Biden/Auto-Pen "Parole" ExO.

“Ending the CHNV parole programs, as well as the paroles of those who exploited it, will be a necessary return to common-sense policies, a return to public safety, and a return to America First,” Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin told CNN in a statement.

NOTE: Once again, Common Sense to follow existing LAWS, not find way around them.

"Driving Down Border Crossing" and "Parole Authority". Word games to justify Biden/Auto-Pen ExOs that can be overturned by Trump. They are not counted as "Illegals" as the Biden Crew allowed them in, flew them in for FREE on Midnight flights to random airports.

This is why when Trump does an ExO it needs to be Codified by Congress and signed into law.

@mogul1985:

This is enforcement of existing Immigration Laws

No, it's not. This tired argument that so-called "conservatives" have no gripe with immigrants, just the illegal ones is complete horseshit. Y'all hate immigrants, full stop.

How do I know this? Because none of you are objecting to the very illegal things this administration is doing with regards to immigration. Like the executive order to undo birth right citizenship. Any 6th grader can tell you the president can't change the constitution by executive order.

Or the half-million legal immigrants who have did the right thing, found a sponsor and came to this country legally on the CHNV program. All of their legal statuses have been revoked. If you simply believed in the rule of law, you would be fucking appalled at what this regime is doing.

Meanwhile, Trump also granted US citizenship to over 1,000 white africakaners.

The fact is, y'all are racist as fuck and you just want to terrorize brown people, including our cubana ATFs.

The point of Dems supporting illegals is 1) Cheap labor; 2) Census counts to increase House seats & federal $$$ for "Sanctuary States" to help increase their Power and Control in DC; 3) VOTING - they'll vote for whomever givens them gov't money & Taxpayer Funded benefits - food stamps, Section 8 Housing, Medicaid all paid for by American Citizens.

If we lose illegal strippers, not just Cubans plus all from other countries, so be it.

^^ Cute rant with radical Dem talking points.

This CHNV program was implemented by the Executive Branch, and not codified by Congress into law. Biden's crew just made this up for specific countries, which sounds a tad racist to me, what about other countries? What makes CHNV people so special?

@mogul1985, you're nothing but a deep well of disinformation and fascist propaganda.

Yes, of fucking course we want cheap labor. Who else is going to be picking our crops, cleaning our hotel rooms and sucking our cocks in the club if not immigrants? All the jobs native Americans are wont to do. Are you ready to pay double for groceries, hotels rooms and lap dances? I'm not.

We are a nation built by immigrants for immigrants. YOUR ANCESTORS WERE UNDOUBTABLY IMMIGRANTS. Our most recognizable national monument literally declares "Give me your poor and unwashed masses. Send me your homeless." Immigration is what turned American into a world super power.

Re: Benefits. Immigrants don't get any federal benefits. That's been the law since the 90s. They still pay taxes though, even if their immigration status is undocumented. This has been studied over and over and the research always shows that immigration benefits American tax payers. forbes.com

And re: VOTING. That's the stupidest argument you could make. Most immigrants skew much more culturally conservative than their American counter parts. Cuban and Venezualan immigrants are particularly conservative, having escaped socialist regimes! They believe in free markets and and individual's own bootstraps. They're opposed to abortion, they are overwhelmingly conservative (in the traditional sense, not in the Trumpian fascist sense of the word.)

Candidly, your biases all stem from this horribly wretched idea of replacement theory. You think there's too many brown people and not enough white people, so you're supportive of a swath of grossly illegal actions by this president meant to terrorize brown people.

I haven’t noticed an effect on the availability of strippers in the south Florida clubs yet - but I haven’t heard of any clubs being raided by ICE either. I was just hoping for the hot stripper exemption. Or maybe hot girls in general. Send all the dudes and ugly chicks back, but let me keep my hot latinas. I’ll do my best to keep them off the public dole

A lot of this demonization that’s going on is just the way the Trump administration has decided that they can win by separating folks into two different groups us vs them, it’s not new nor is it particularly clever, unfortunately it works. Truth is most of us American would prefer that immigrants sign the guest book and come in with proper documentation, saying that it’s important to understand what is being done in our name, my opinion is that the majority don’t understand what is really happening and are being successfully gaslighted by their elected representatives who are profiting from this nonsense.

If you want to stop illegal migrant labor. Go after who employe them. Revoke business licenses. Give the owners prison time. Huge fines. Bar them from holding future business licenses. Of course that doesnt fall in line with the bigotry behind terrorising poor migrants.

I haven't seen Democrats this mad about Republicans taking away their cheap labor since the 1860s!

"I haven't seen Democrats this mad about Republicans taking away their cheap labor since the 1860s!"

Aw, another one who missed the chance to be educated on the "Southern Strategy."

"Who else is going to be picking our crops, cleaning our hotel rooms and sucking our cocks in the club if not immigrants?"

Except what I said is literally true in both 1865 and 2025.
Why do you want slaves now?

^ She's a bigot with an axe to grind and you called her on it. Democrats are just now waking up to the fact that by nature, black and Hispanic men are conservatives; just like their white brethren.

If sanctimony were put aside, immigrant strippers would typically have H1B-type visas. It's a relatively well-paid occupation, and there aren't enough well-qualified people in the US willing to do it. But a club like Vivide in Atlanta, with $10 dances, might not be able to hire immigrant strippers with H1Bs. Nationally $20 dances are considered lower priced, and H1B workers are not supposed to undercut worker income. Which, they do, but not that blatantly.

@ninabambina, what's wrong with cheap labor? You say that like it's exploitative, but if someone is happy to come here and pick crops for $8 an hour, who is harmed? The free movement of people is a win-win.

And furthermore, I'm a free-market guy and have never called myself a democrat. I just happen to vote that way because the alternative is a fascism.

@ilbbaicnl, H1-B requires a college degree and proficiency in a specific field like medicine or technology, as well as sponsorship from an employer. No strippers are getting H1-B visas.

@skibum - Yeah, we literally have @ronjax2 the incel of incels here complaining that without illegal foreign women, his dick would atrophy to dust.

Maybe @ninabambina is really Jasmine Crockett complaining that she needs people to pick her cotton? They come from the same high bombast/low IQ/victimhood phenotype.

Ronjax2, I wasn't complaining about cheap labor. I was quoting Puddy Tat who is against cheap labor and unaware of US history.

Thanks for the responses. Some of them had some useful info. Didn't mean it to devolve as far as it did, but that can't be helped. :-)
Puddy Tat: "This topic has come up a number of times." - I'm new to this design, and I was looking for a way to search discussions for topics. Didn't find a way - is there a way to search discussions for topics?

"Why do you want slaves now?"

Undocumented workers are not slaves. In fact, comparing people who willingly travel to another country and work a job that pays them money, to the American chattel slavery system in which slaves were forced to work for free while being beaten and raped and having no human rights, is an extreme minimization of US slavery. I'd expect nothing less from you, though.

@RJ2 yes I'm suggesting it be changed, I said H1B type. It's beside the point what it's called.

"Undocumented workers are not slaves."

Ask Jasmine Crockett. I'm sure of all the things illegals (not undocumented, they didn't lose their paperwork, they are lawbreakers), she didn't choose "picking cotton" out of all crops at random.

But go ahead and play the aggrieved victim; this isn't 2020, no one gives a fuck anymore.

When your IQ reaches 75, sell.

The vast majority of people who oppose mass deportation do not want the status quo. In the short term, any immigrant who is working and not harming anyone should get a guest worker visa and full rights under the law. If no qualified citizen or landed immigrant is interested in their job within a year or so, a guest worker should be given a green card if they want it. The tricky issue is if automation could replace multiple guest workers, and create fewer but higher paid jobs, with no or only reasonable price increases, do we require that to happen?

@fred - There was one. No idea if there is one or not right now.

This one is the same as that one, with incels who can't get any pussy without paying, the usual bleeding hearts and race grievance tools, some spouting common sense, and a couple people futilely saying "can't we all just get along."

@ilbbaicnl - I'm a pragmatist on mass deportation. Send ICE after the gangbangers, rapists, and drunk drivers. Otherwise go after the employers. Guest worker visas, but no path to citizenship until they leave for a year and legitimately return. There is no inherent human right to live in America. I don't give a blue fuck about the poem on the Statue of Liberty, that's not a law.

But Dems not only did jack shit to enforce the law, they facilitated a tidal wave of illegals while weakly saying "the border is closed" and "there's nothing we can do about it." Bullshit, somehow Trump stemmed the flow without relying on a feckless Congress.

I don't see a quantum leap in automation that's going to harvest fruits ten times faster. That's decades off if it happens.

Cheap labor is bad because that's the kind of Capitalism Marx predicted would self-destruct. The Depression of the 30s proved him right about that (if not other things). A key part of FDR's successful policies was making labor not cheap. But now we're being as dumb as somebody who cancels their insurance because it's been a minute since their house burned down. We need a living minimum wage, and guest workers should get it. We should not have free trade with poor countries, unless it includes a plan to raise their minimum wage to match ours in a timely manner.

My best guess is that no administration is ever going to go after the employers, especially the administration that is a major player in the three industries that are the largest employers of undocumented (Illegal aliens). So all we're going to get is crackdowns on the lowest hanging fruit.

Theres still american companies that use slave labor. Also even in your example Nina, the American slaves werent forced to work for free, rather they were forced to work while only receiving the bare minimum of food and shelter. And thats essentially what slavery means, and why companies are said to use slave labor in China and other places. Slave owners have to keep their workers alive, so that automatically means they take some sort of precautions when it comes to food, shelter, disease, etc. slavery in america wasnt really any different or worse than the slave labor used around the world nowadays. Unless you want to make the argument that using black slaves is somehow worse than using asian ones, etc.

Nina you got slammed around by everyone in the thread, across the political spectrum lulz