I've never raised this issue with dancers since it could be an uncomfortable conversation, but...
Given the recent anti-immigrant actions of the current regime, has anyone noticed a chilling effect on talent in the clubs? Do club owners have arrangements with ICE to forestall enforcement?
ICE raids on strip clubs are already happening in the US. denverpost.com With the influx of cash coming to ICE from this disaster spending bill that was just passed, expect that to get much worse.
Additionally, the administration recently revoked the legal status of hundreds of thousands of Cuban immigrants. cnn.com. Meaning, there shit ton of cubana strippers who followed the law, immigrated here legally, and now suddenly find themselves to be illegal immigrants.
No question: They are coming for your favorite cubana.
This is what happens when you elect a populist charlatan demagogue who kow tows to the religious right.
So ICE raids a makeshift nightclub that is set up and run by a violent gang for selling drugs and someone equates that to good after strip clubs.
@FredFoobaz "anti-immigrant actions of the current regime"
Tells me all I need to know about YOU. 1) This is enforcement of existing Immigration Laws Congress and POTUSs have passed to get people OUT who ILLEGALLY jumped over those who came here LEGALLY; 2) This is not a "regime." Enjoy watching "The View."
Now, I see no reason why we can't have changes to allow people to come here, get vetted/screened, work visas, pay all taxes, get private health insurance or employer paid, counted in the 10-year Census as "Legal Workers" however not part of the count for federal House seats, allowed to stay here for like 12-18 months then they need to go back, and re-do the process, AND NO get gov't benefits nor voting rights as they are not American Citizens. Gov't benefits/support are for Citizens.
@RonJax2 "the administration recently revoked the legal status of hundreds of thousands of Cuban immigrants" What legal status? A Biden or Auto-Pen ExO?
CNN "The Most TRUSTED Name In New" - NOT: "The program became a political flashpoint as Republicans argued the administration was misusing parole authority and overreached in establishing the program for those countries. At the time, Biden officials credited the program for driving down border crossings by instead providing a path for migrants to apply to legally migrate to the US. "
"President Donald Trump signed an order on his first day in office seeking to unilaterally end the program. That move prompted legal challenges that eventually made their way to the Supreme Court, which allowed Trump to strip protections for beneficiaries of the parole program."
NOTE: Supreme Court backed Trump's ExO ending Biden/Auto-Pen "Parole" ExO.
“Ending the CHNV parole programs, as well as the paroles of those who exploited it, will be a necessary return to common-sense policies, a return to public safety, and a return to America First,” Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin told CNN in a statement.
NOTE: Once again, Common Sense to follow existing LAWS, not find way around them.
"Driving Down Border Crossing" and "Parole Authority". Word games to justify Biden/Auto-Pen ExOs that can be overturned by Trump. They are not counted as "Illegals" as the Biden Crew allowed them in, flew them in for FREE on Midnight flights to random airports.
This is why when Trump does an ExO it needs to be Codified by Congress and signed into law.
@mogul1985:
This is enforcement of existing Immigration Laws
No, it's not. This tired argument that so-called "conservatives" have no gripe with immigrants, just the illegal ones is complete horseshit. Y'all hate immigrants, full stop.
How do I know this? Because none of you are objecting to the very illegal things this administration is doing with regards to immigration. Like the executive order to undo birth right citizenship. Any 6th grader can tell you the president can't change the constitution by executive order.
Or the half-million legal immigrants who have did the right thing, found a sponsor and came to this country legally on the CHNV program. All of their legal statuses have been revoked. If you simply believed in the rule of law, you would be fucking appalled at what this regime is doing.
Meanwhile, Trump also granted US citizenship to over 1,000 white africakaners.
The fact is, y'all are racist as fuck and you just want to terrorize brown people, including our cubana ATFs.
The point of Dems supporting illegals is 1) Cheap labor; 2) Census counts to increase House seats & federal $$$ for "Sanctuary States" to help increase their Power and Control in DC; 3) VOTING - they'll vote for whomever givens them gov't money & Taxpayer Funded benefits - food stamps, Section 8 Housing, Medicaid all paid for by American Citizens.
If we lose illegal strippers, not just Cubans plus all from other countries, so be it.
^^ Cute rant with radical Dem talking points.
This CHNV program was implemented by the Executive Branch, and not codified by Congress into law. Biden's crew just made this up for specific countries, which sounds a tad racist to me, what about other countries? What makes CHNV people so special?
@mogul1985, you're nothing but a deep well of disinformation and fascist propaganda.
Yes, of fucking course we want cheap labor. Who else is going to be picking our crops, cleaning our hotel rooms and sucking our cocks in the club if not immigrants? All the jobs native Americans are wont to do. Are you ready to pay double for groceries, hotels rooms and lap dances? I'm not.
We are a nation built by immigrants for immigrants. YOUR ANCESTORS WERE UNDOUBTABLY IMMIGRANTS. Our most recognizable national monument literally declares "Give me your poor and unwashed masses. Send me your homeless." Immigration is what turned American into a world super power.
Re: Benefits. Immigrants don't get any federal benefits. That's been the law since the 90s. They still pay taxes though, even if their immigration status is undocumented. This has been studied over and over and the research always shows that immigration benefits American tax payers. forbes.com
And re: VOTING. That's the stupidest argument you could make. Most immigrants skew much more culturally conservative than their American counter parts. Cuban and Venezualan immigrants are particularly conservative, having escaped socialist regimes! They believe in free markets and and individual's own bootstraps. They're opposed to abortion, they are overwhelmingly conservative (in the traditional sense, not in the Trumpian fascist sense of the word.)
Candidly, your biases all stem from this horribly wretched idea of replacement theory. You think there's too many brown people and not enough white people, so you're supportive of a swath of grossly illegal actions by this president meant to terrorize brown people.
I haven’t noticed an effect on the availability of strippers in the south Florida clubs yet - but I haven’t heard of any clubs being raided by ICE either. I was just hoping for the hot stripper exemption. Or maybe hot girls in general. Send all the dudes and ugly chicks back, but let me keep my hot latinas. I’ll do my best to keep them off the public dole
A lot of this demonization that’s going on is just the way the Trump administration has decided that they can win by separating folks into two different groups us vs them, it’s not new nor is it particularly clever, unfortunately it works. Truth is most of us American would prefer that immigrants sign the guest book and come in with proper documentation, saying that it’s important to understand what is being done in our name, my opinion is that the majority don’t understand what is really happening and are being successfully gaslighted by their elected representatives who are profiting from this nonsense.
"I haven't seen Democrats this mad about Republicans taking away their cheap labor since the 1860s!"
Aw, another one who missed the chance to be educated on the "Southern Strategy."
^ She's a bigot with an axe to grind and you called her on it. Democrats are just now waking up to the fact that by nature, black and Hispanic men are conservatives; just like their white brethren.
If sanctimony were put aside, immigrant strippers would typically have H1B-type visas. It's a relatively well-paid occupation, and there aren't enough well-qualified people in the US willing to do it. But a club like Vivide in Atlanta, with $10 dances, might not be able to hire immigrant strippers with H1Bs. Nationally $20 dances are considered lower priced, and H1B workers are not supposed to undercut worker income. Which, they do, but not that blatantly.
@ninabambina, what's wrong with cheap labor? You say that like it's exploitative, but if someone is happy to come here and pick crops for $8 an hour, who is harmed? The free movement of people is a win-win.
And furthermore, I'm a free-market guy and have never called myself a democrat. I just happen to vote that way because the alternative is a fascism.
@ilbbaicnl, H1-B requires a college degree and proficiency in a specific field like medicine or technology, as well as sponsorship from an employer. No strippers are getting H1-B visas.
Ronjax2, I wasn't complaining about cheap labor. I was quoting Puddy Tat who is against cheap labor and unaware of US history.
Thanks for the responses. Some of them had some useful info. Didn't mean it to devolve as far as it did, but that can't be helped. :-) Puddy Tat: "This topic has come up a number of times." - I'm new to this design, and I was looking for a way to search discussions for topics. Didn't find a way - is there a way to search discussions for topics?
"Why do you want slaves now?"
Undocumented workers are not slaves. In fact, comparing people who willingly travel to another country and work a job that pays them money, to the American chattel slavery system in which slaves were forced to work for free while being beaten and raped and having no human rights, is an extreme minimization of US slavery. I'd expect nothing less from you, though.
@RJ2 yes I'm suggesting it be changed, I said H1B type. It's beside the point what it's called.
The vast majority of people who oppose mass deportation do not want the status quo. In the short term, any immigrant who is working and not harming anyone should get a guest worker visa and full rights under the law. If no qualified citizen or landed immigrant is interested in their job within a year or so, a guest worker should be given a green card if they want it. The tricky issue is if automation could replace multiple guest workers, and create fewer but higher paid jobs, with no or only reasonable price increases, do we require that to happen?
Cheap labor is bad because that's the kind of Capitalism Marx predicted would self-destruct. The Depression of the 30s proved him right about that (if not other things). A key part of FDR's successful policies was making labor not cheap. But now we're being as dumb as somebody who cancels their insurance because it's been a minute since their house burned down. We need a living minimum wage, and guest workers should get it. We should not have free trade with poor countries, unless it includes a plan to raise their minimum wage to match ours in a timely manner.
My best guess is that no administration is ever going to go after the employers, especially the administration that is a major player in the three industries that are the largest employers of undocumented (Illegal aliens). So all we're going to get is crackdowns on the lowest hanging fruit.
Theres still american companies that use slave labor. Also even in your example Nina, the American slaves werent forced to work for free, rather they were forced to work while only receiving the bare minimum of food and shelter. And thats essentially what slavery means, and why companies are said to use slave labor in China and other places. Slave owners have to keep their workers alive, so that automatically means they take some sort of precautions when it comes to food, shelter, disease, etc. slavery in america wasnt really any different or worse than the slave labor used around the world nowadays. Unless you want to make the argument that using black slaves is somehow worse than using asian ones, etc.
Nina you got slammed around by everyone in the thread, across the political spectrum lulz
^ I apologized to Nina earlier via DM. I misunderstood what she was saying because she quoted a troll I have muted.
Years ago, I was in Denver just before and after Covid lockdowns. Just before, most of the dancers at one of the dive clubs were American. Just after, it became pretty much all Cuban. Soon after, I said that to a dancer at another club, and she said that’s the second that that club was super Cuban. The first time, ICE had raided that club and dragged a bunch of them out. Or so she claimed.
Supposedly there was some issue in south Texas and dancers and customers were kept in the club past 2am while there was a raid.
But otherwise, I haven’t heard of much as far as clubs. I also did a search on r/stripper and there’s plenty of threads speculating about ICE, but no real confirmed raids that could be pointed to. I leave it up to faith that if there was a legitimate raid, there would be enough clickbait material that it wouldn’t have to be reported by shaky gossip or social media and actual news coverage would be reporting this stuff.
"Nina you got slammed around by everyone in the thread, across the political spectrum lulz"
No, I didn't. You continue to write fanfic about me though. If only it paid your bills.
"slavery in america wasnt really any different or worse than the slave labor used around the world nowadays."
It absolutely was different and you individuals are only minimizing it because you're either racist or simply uneducated on the topic (or likely both). American slavery was hereditary, the servitude was permanent, and it was slavery in chattel form (chattel slavery is globally illegal today, btw). It was not the same thing as serfdom, slave debt, endentured servitude etc and it certainly isn't the same as socioeconomically disadvantaged people choosing to work for a low wage.
The reason you guys even conflate the two is because you love talking about slavery; then when I respond by pointing out your ignorance on the subject, I'm accused of "playing victim" because I... said factual things.
Nina contrarily, the big issue with American slavery is that they were white American slaveowners, which in the eyes of many automatically makes it worse than anyone else being a slave owner. We see this logic play out with the BLM group repeatedly, where there is only focus on one specific racial group. I mean even with american slavery, black people werent the only race of slaves, but somehow people pretend they were the only race of enslaved peoples.
Chattel slavery is not globally illegal even today, by the way slavery is still used amongst prisoners in the US, and was historically used as both a punishment for crimes, and to pay off debts. Theres a Wikipedia article “history of slavery”
I didnt say its the same as people choosing to work for a low wage. What I said is that its people working for only the bare minimum in food and shelter. And thats essentially what slavery is. The other stuff you mention like slaves in america being whipped or raped, has nothing to do with the definition of slavery in itself, rather just those particular slave owners doing those things.
Nina the truth is just like with the karmelo anthony case, you believe slavery is better or worse depending on the particular race of the slave owner and the slave involved. Chattel slavery as you call it was “worse” because enslaving black people is worse than enslaving asian people etc. theres still a few african countries where slavery exists as well as some asian countries, maybe its not technically legal, but it exists
The situation of workers in China and other poorer countries is more comparable to that of Black Americans after the end of Reconstruction, till the FDR administration began actually enforcing Federal laws against debt bondage. In that period, most former slaves were trapped in share cropping by debt bondage. At least their children were not arbitrarily and routinely taken from them, as under chattel slavery. But they certainly weren't free.
From what I've heard from Cubans, it's a minority of clubs that will let you dance illegally.
Its odd that some of the most vocal group complaining about slavery, only complains about historical slavery, doesnt comment on modern slavery, and buys products known to be made using slave labor like nikes, apple products, and probably many designer brands.
It seems to be in line with groups like BLM who only speak out about non-black on black crime, but say absolutely nothing about black on black, black on non black, and non black on non black crime whether whites on asians, whites on latinos, latino on white etc.
From AI: Chattel slavery is a system where enslaved individuals are treated as the personal property of their enslaver, similar to livestock or other possessions, and can be bought, sold, or inherited. This form of slavery was prevalent in the United States, particularly in the South, before the Civil War, and still exists in some parts of the world today
From Wikipedia: Many historical cases of enslavement occurred as a result of breaking the law, becoming indebted, suffering a military defeat, or exploitation for cheaper labor; other forms of slavery were instituted along demographic lines such as race or sex. Slaves would be kept in bondage for life, or for a fixed period of time after which they would be granted freedom.[2] Although slavery is usually involuntary and involves coercion, there are also cases where people voluntarily enter into slavery to pay a debt or earn money due to poverty.
In chattel slavery, the slave is legally rendered the personal property (chattel) of the slave owner. In economics, the term de facto slavery describes the conditions of unfree labour and forced labour that most slaves endure.[8] In 2019, approximately 40 million people, of whom 26% were children, were still enslaved throughout the world despite slavery being illegal. In the modern world, more than 50% of slaves provide forced labour, usually in the factories and sweatshops of the private sector of a country's economy.[9] In industrialised countries, human trafficking is a modern variety of slavery; in non-industrialised countries, people in debt bondage are common,[8] others include captive domestic servants, people in forced marriages, and child soldiers.
@RonJax: If you keep posting such melodramatic hyperbole I'm going to start calling you RonJackass. . Now in large part I agree with you about the immigration maneuvers. We need the labor and I don't think that people who were previously told they could stay should be summarily kicked out. . But it's a lot of miles of roadway between aggressively revoking immigration status and genuine broad-based fascism. Making that comparison makes you look both very stupid and hyper-emotional to anyone who has actually studied it to any degree. . The world will move on if we lose a few Cubanas. I tend to look at a politician from a broad-based multi-issue perspective and, with the notable exception of immigration, I very much like where things are going. I wish that they had done a lot more to trim expenses in the OBBBA, but nothing is perfect.
Puddy, I'm going to quote RonJax on one thing that I think he has right. We need immigrant labor. They also start a majority of the small businesses in the U.S. We are an aging country in dire need of as much cheap labor and young blood as we can get. Now I think his point about Cuban strippers is a bit overblown as I have definitely not experienced a decline in prices since their arrival - in fact they keep going up. But the other stuff is on point IMO. . "Yes, of fucking course we want cheap labor. Who else is going to be picking our crops, cleaning our hotel rooms and sucking our cocks in the club if not immigrants? All the jobs native Americans are wont to do. Are you ready to pay double for groceries, hotels rooms and lap dances? I'm not." . "We are a nation built by immigrants for immigrants. YOUR ANCESTORS WERE UNDOUBTABLY IMMIGRANTS. Our most recognizable national monument literally declares "Give me your poor and unwashed masses. Send me your homeless." Immigration is what turned American into a world super power."
"Didn't mean it to devolve as far as it did"
You can tell somebody's new in the Political Discourse forum.
FF: To you specific question-no I have seen no evidence in the clubs I've been in. Last time Trump was in office, a Brazilian favorite of mine was taken from Stoughton district court (after her conviction for OUI) and deported to Brazil.
===> "@rickdugan - I'm all for immigrants who obey our laws (including our laws on legal entry and residency). Illegal immigration proponents either deliberately conflate them or are too stupid to see the difference." . But the problem, as those of us who follow this know all too well, is that there is no legal way for many of the workers that we need to come in legally. The immigration reforms in '96 made sure of that. Even worse, immigration has become one of the political third rails, so nobody wants to do anything to fix it. . So that leaves us in a Catch 22. We need immigrant labor, so much so that the demand for it encourages them to come illegally. They also start a majority of the small businesses in the U.S. We are an aging country in dire need of as much cheap labor and young blood as we can get. . So if we can't get our shit together to truly fix this, IMO at least we can be practical about it.
Rick im curious what kind of small businesses do they start? Im curious on the demographic breakdown as well as industry of those businesses. If its something like restaurants or entertainment businesses those arent vital for the country. It might for instance reduce competition in the restaurant industry but it wont create a monopoly situation
===> "Rick im curious what kind of small businesses do they start? Im curious on the demographic breakdown as well as industry of those businesses. If its something like restaurants or entertainment businesses those arent vital for the country. " . It runs the gambit I'm sure. And all those businesses generate more jobs and increased economic activity. Without all of those small businesses opening and thriving we might already be closer to looking like have a stagnant economy, ala Europe.
@Puddy: By some estimates, we have 8 million illegal immigrants currently in our workforce, many of them doing jobs that few others want. Sure they came over the old fashioned way, but what are we going to do now, throw them out? From a practical standpoint, how would we replace them? . A guest worker program is all well and good, but the real draw is being able to stay and raise kids here. Kids which btw we desperately need given our current 1.6 births per woman, which is far below replacement rate. We are getting old. If we don't do something to change course, we're going to look like Japan before we know it, with a gray population and perpetually stagnant economy. . My hope is that finally someone has a lick of sense and comes up with a solution which includes a path to permanency. Perhaps that includes a series of conditions, like holding jobs in certain businesses for some period of years, paying taxes, staying off the government dole and of course not being convicted of a crime.
The Trump administration has not taken nor has indicated any desire to take action against lawful immigrants - those people who immigrate here in the proper manner, answered the screeners and other questions for their visas fully and truthfully, and have worked to be contributing members of the American populace whether citizens or not. This current admin has only taken swift and decisive action against illegal aliens and others who lied on their visas or began committing criminal, treasonous, or seditious acts after gaining permanent residency or citizenship.
Why would the democrat party be interested in protecting those invaders, criminals, traitors, and seditionists? Because they do not care about law, national security, public safety, or community prosperity; they only care about gaining and perpetuating political and economic power for themselves and their allies.
Beyond them are the hardcore radical liberals and leftists who actively hate Americans, Whites, Christians, Jews, Conservatives, Republicans, and anyone else who thinks independently and disagrees with them. Even when they are not invaders themselves, they are almost always criminals and or traitors/seditionists. Power and money is less important to them than some undefined goal of destroying the United States, representative government, and killing anyone who does not look like them or parrot their beliefs. Those are types whose permanent residency/awarded citizenship are being revoked and deported.
Even the most left-leaning pollsters (NYT, CNN) are finding in surveys that 62% of Americans - including lawful immigrants- want the illegal aliens deported. It is a national security and public safety issue of utmost urgency.
@rickdugan. It's odd, it seems like you've agreed with all of the salient points I've made in this thread. Yet you still resorted to name calling. Why is that?
Like, what did I write here specifically that you disagree with? You seem quite eager to defend what I've written to the bottom feeders here I have on block.
I agree that a path to citizenship would be a great start to solving the immigration crisis we have - and you threw that idea out first.
If you're hoping that happens with this current President, think again. Demonizing immigrants was a central issue in Trump's campaign. He repeatedly called them vermin and claimed they were poisoning our blood.
He's doing what he said he would do, the things he said he would do before you voted for him. I only hope our collective consciences survive the human rights catastrophe that is unfolding at "Alligator Alcatraz" and Guantanamo Bay. And, furthermore that we can endure subsequent inflation these mass deportations will cause.
Simple answers to stupid questions:
"a path to citizenship would be a great start to solving the immigration crisis we have "
A legal path to citizenship exists. Laws and codes to deal with immigration exists. The illegal immigration crisis ended with the Biden administration. We now have a criminal illegal alien crisis which federal authorities are lawfully addressing.
"Demonizing immigrants was a central issue in Trump's campaign. He repeatedly called them vermin and claimed they were poisoning our blood."
This entire statement is factually false. Not a shred of truth in it, nor would I expect any from that particularly shrill, leftist, incel poster.
"the human rights catastrophe that is unfolding at "Alligator Alcatraz" and Guantanamo Bay. And, furthermore that we can endure subsequent inflation these mass deportations will cause."
More wholly untrue lies and falsehoods without a shred of accuracy.
"He's doing what he said he would do, the things he said he would do before you voted for him."
Fuck yeah, and thank God for that.
@Ron: On the main immigration points we're are in complete agreement. I was specifically giving you shit for this: . And furthermore, I'm a free-market guy and have never called myself a democrat. I just happen to vote that way because the alternative is a fascism. . And this: . No question: They are coming for your favorite cubana. This is what happens when you elect a populist charlatan demagogue who kow tows to the religious right. . Just way over the top dude.
===> "A legal path to citizenship exists." . If this were true for the millions illegal immigrant workers that our economy needs and already employs then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Duh.
@rickdugan, fair enough, I appreciate the reply. It sounds like it's more the tone than the content you object to.
But I also chose my words carefully. If we cannot call Trump a fascist now after he's opened Aligator Alcatraz and sent roving mobs of masked bandits to terrorize our cities, when can we? He's got DOJ investigating his political opponents, his supporters shooting them in their homes, and he's holding military parades for his own glorification. It's hard to see what box of the definition of fascism he doesn't check.
And I don't know if you object more to the labels "populist", "charlatan" or "demagogue" or all three, but they're all accurate IMHO.
Either way, I'm glad we agree on the substance of the issue.
@rickdugan I also missed that you included this in your list of what you found objectionable:
No question: They are coming for your favorite cubana.
That right there is the most relevant to OP's question. Much more relevant than the other comments I made. OP wants to know... what's going to happen to the immigrant strippers?
And, a half million immigrants, who came to this country legally under the CHNV program have been ruled by fiat by Trump to now be illegal.
Undoubtedly, that half million people will include a great number cubanas working at clubs - hundreds if not thousands. What's more is Trump is building vast concentration camps in which to detain them, and congress has granted him an huge influx of cash for ICE to send masked bandits to raid the communities in which they live and root them out.
And, ICE has already raided strip clubs since Trump took office. I linked to a source on this previously. They're gonna raid more, surely?
What evidence would you use to propose to the OP or any other TUSCLer that their cubana ATF is going to be just fine?
All illegals out.
===> "It is a national security and public safety issue of utmost urgency." . Right Gam. The guys who have been cutting my lawn for years are obviously a grave national security risk. . You deluded fucktards who think that we can deport millions of our workers without severe economic consequences are beyond deluded. And before skidumb makes another stupid comment about cleaning our own toilets, it goes far beyond that. Illegals are doing embedded in countless commercial facets of our economy doing jobs that nobody else wants, including agricultural, meat and fish processing, industrial and countless other venues. Losing them would cause tremendous fallout, both in terms of the prices we pay for goods and services and with the economy writ large due to lost production.
===> "We can't make America prosperous by importing the world's poor. "
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@Puddy: Very catchy. Also very stupid, but catchy nonetheless. 😉
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It's exactly what we've been doing since this country was founded and it's a big reason why we are the economic powerhouse of the world. For a capitalist system to function at its peak and produce at maximum capacity, it needs a study inflow of new workers. Immigration has been one of our greatest strengths, not a weakness.
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Illegal immigrants don't come here to be "taken care of" because they don't qualify for most social welfare benefits in the first place. They come here to work. Many start small businesses.
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So we all benefit from giving them our shittiest jobs at crappy pay, which I'm fine with because it's the price they pay for coming here illegally. And they are fine with it too because they are still better off than they would be in their home countries. Shit we take for granted, like affordable food, clean drinking water, reliable electricity and, in some cases, even running hot water for showering, are luxuries to many of them. It's a win-win. In the process, our economy hums along at maximum production capacity and our prices stay low.
The idea that illegals don't qualify for public benefits ignores reality. They use up education dollars, medical dollars, police dollars and other public benefits. The bluer the state the wider open the public trough. Illegal immigration is great for the rich and a screw job for the native poor and the middle class.
A "deluded fucktard", to use the empty white polyester suit's terminology- is someone who thinks that illegal aliens are here working in the jobs lawful workers do not want. Some are, but very few and already too many. Most are on the public dole in blue states eating up welfare and medicaid dollars, living for free in 5-star hotels and getting pissed that their public meals do not include their specific culinary preferences.
Even more deluded is to think that every illegal alien is here to work. So many military age Iranians, Chinese, Russians, Venezuelans and others are here for crime, espionage, and worse. Those are the clear and evident public safety and national security risks. I am sorry to learn you are too simple-minded to understand that. Fortunately, there are others who understand the danger and are acting to protect our nation and countrymen.
Rick do you think slave labor would also boost the economy up or at least allow the rest of us to experience lower prices? I dont mean American slaves but for instance, purchasing slaves from foreign countries then bringing them into the country to work those same shitty jobs like sewer cleaning, meat processing etc.
@Puddy Tat "Except what I said is literally true in both 1865 and 2025."
Another way to say it :"The Dems are rebuilding the Plantations." Like the Blues Brothers "Getting the Band back together."
It's the Dems, and all their nasty splinter groups, that are Balkanizing America to create waring tribes.
@ronjax2 "I just happen to vote that way because the alternative is a fascism."
Merriam-Webster's definition: "a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition"
This sounds a LOT what the Dems have been doing for a long time. Look what the Dems did to Trump with 2 "Impeachments" that the Senate never finished plus the trials they dragged him through that are being overturned (NYC will be dropped and I hope Trump gets is $500M back with interest in NYS taxpayers), the number of District Court Injunctions that are being over-turned left and the Jan6 "Insurrection" that had no guns and the only one killed was unarmed Ashley Babette who didn't need to be shot/killed by a DC Cop who has a checkered history including leaving his 9mm in a public rest room. Then we have the Obama WH under Biden allowing 15M illegals in plus FLYING THEM IN on Taxpayer funded flights in the dead of night.
This really sounds a lot like Replacement Theory as these people will need gov't/Taxpayer Welfare forever.
So try and convince everyone that the GOP are fascists. It isn't holding up. But but but TRUMP!
^ When progressives call people fascists, they are just weaklings calling them Nazis. A simple fact is that the Nazis were actually socialists, as in the German Workers Socialist Party, the spiritual forebears of todays' democratic socialists. They use the word fascist as a red herring in the hopes people do not realize that they are the Nazis of today; I mean socialists.
@rickdugan "By some estimates, we have 8 million illegal immigrants currently in our workforce" Other counts put that at over 20M-30M as their is not way to count them plus many are under 18-years old. Since the early 2000s the mantra has been "20M Illegals." Now 25 years later plus the 15M-20M that were allowed to come in under Biden's WH we are more likely around 50M. And they don't have medical insurance so they hit ERs that HAVE TO TAKE THEM whether they can pay or not - fuck American Citizens who have insurance and can pay.
"From a practical standpoint, how would we replace them?" Over the next 10 years, robots will be used more and more for even lower cost labor, with no insurance, taxes, time-off, ect, plus they'll be an EXPENSE on the books like a machine. THEN, what will we do with all the unskilled, uneducated illegals? Think about how the Cotton Gin revolutionized cotton picking.
When cars started to replace horses and carriages, people balked at the idea and tried to get horses back. I haven't seen many galloping down the Interstates lately.
@ronjax2 "And, a half million immigrants, who came to this country legally under the CHNV program have been ruled by fiat by Trump to now be illegal."
CHNV is a PROGRAM, not LAW passed by Congress and signed by POTUS, that the WH crew put together. It is actually discriminatory as it ONLY included Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela. What about Columbia, Syria, AFG, ect? Plus, the Dark Side is a LOT of criminals were brought here that are committing violent crimes - so much for vetting people.
in late-May 2025, the Supreme Court ruled 6-2 DHS can revoke this special status and start deporting. Specifics are still being thrashed around in First Circuit Court of Appeals.
The BIG ONE I'm waiting for is how the SC will opine on Birthright Citizenship Status of the 14thA. This, like the 2ndA, is hotly batted around. The 14thA is a very big deal as is Chain Migration as part of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.
Trump didn't make legal people illegal. They had temporary protect status, and the meaning of temporary is not permanent. There are suits seeking injunctions, based on failure to follow the legally required procedures in ending TPS. They are not illegal yet, they've been asked to self-deport by August. The only real thing like this is the effort to make some future birthright citizens illegal. Oh, and Rosie O'Donnell. I do think people on TPS who are working but not suppressing unskilled wages should be upgraded to green cards.
Nominally leftist chaos tourists, who are into throwing rocks and other potentially lethal objects at LE are a real thing. They are fine with doxxing LE or harassing their families, so it may be necessary for LE members to hide their faces and names. LE members should be required to display very visible ID number (or maybe stripper names?), and complaints/suits naming only those IDs should be possible. Instead of making LE vulnerable, we could gofundme a strike fund, for officers put on leave for refusing to follow barbaric orders.
The hopeful thing with Trump is that he's a narcissist, not a sadist. He seems genuinely disgusted with Putin killing civilians, after the offer of a Finlandized Ukraine. I wonder what would happen if AOC started singing Trump's praises. Trump doesn't know or care much about anybody, beyond whether they praise and support him. AOC might be able to cobble together a winning coalition with the Evangelicals who are actually somewhat Jesusy. She could perhaps steer Trump's pro-tariff impulses into policies that would actually help lower-income working people.
After the illegal aliens are deported, how are those positions filled?
Picking apart the reasons that younger Millennials and Gen Z are not working would be a fun discussion if it could be had without partisan sniping; however, it would also be a separate discussion. The point is that we have millions of prime working age individuals ready and available. Deporting 10M-20M illegal aliens would also reduce demand for goods and services all around and eliminate excess and under-the-table jobs from mainstream and shadow economies.
The BIG ONE I'm waiting for is how the SC will opine on Birthright Citizenship Status of the 14thA. This, like the 2ndA, is hotly batted around.
Interesting analogy but it's like a few synapses in your brain aren't firing.
If SCOTUS allows the President to change the constitution by executive order, what's to stop the next Dem in office from taking all your guns. 2A is the weakest of all written amendments, given it's cause about a "well-regulated militia".
So if you're rooting for Trump to have the executive power to re-write the constitution, you're rooting for the end of 2A. Dum dum da dum dum... dum dum dum dum dum. 🎶
To you other comment, it's like all this what-aboutery about the democrats followed by B-But Trump.
News flash: TRUMP IS THE PRESIDENT. He's responsible for all the horrible shit happening in the country right now. The recent rise in inflation driven by his 18th century trade police. Armed mask mobs terrorizing communities. Lawmakers being assassinated.
And OFC, strip clubs raided by ICE. None of y'all have even acknowledged it's happening but it is, and it's the only relevant thing to the thread.
PuddyTat is obsessed with trannies because he's a gay stalker, full stop. I have him on block and he won't stop @mentioning me, like it's an obsession or something. He also chugs orange semen by the gallon.
@Founder, we really need a fix for these alerts from users on block. Or a fucking two-way block.
Lol Icey, crying all over this thread because youre too embarrassed to post in the other thread regarding your anniversary 😂 you have to purge your tears somewhere
Icey my brother youve talked about wanting to deport every latina group besides Mexicans, especially the cubanas and colombians… you hate indians too
^^ I think you're a total fucking pussy, a fraud and most likely a virgin. Such a fucking smarmy little d-bag. RonJax is such a fag he makes you almost seem male.
@ronjax2 "He's responsible for all the horrible shit happening in the country right now." What is horrible? You mean ANTIFA/Dems/Leftist assaulting ICE enforcement by enforcing existing laws?
Interest rates slowly going down?.
No longer letting the post-WWII European countries use us as an ATM to support their socialism while blocking our goods/services to be marketed in their countries?
Where's the scary inflation from tariffs?
We have brought in $110B in tariffs so far in 2025 and inflation is not up like was projected by fear mongers in the MSM/Dems. Projects are for $300B by year's end. This cash pile helps to cover deficit spending while the WH is trying to reduce existing spending - I'll call this burning the candle at both ends. $9B in DOGE cuts are to be voted on this week in the Senate, and the Dems are doing all they can to spend OUR MONEY that was identified as waste, fraud and abuse - the nerve.
State Department is RIFing 3,000 people for redundant work (the smart employees took the offered package from 3 months ago) and work that is no longer necessary. Imagine running gov't somewhat (keyword) like a business. Gov't doesn't BUDGET they just SPEND with automatic increases YOY with no review of what stays and what can be removed. if you want to destroy a country, spend it into non-reversable debt like Spain or Greece, they allow bureaucrats to ration services.
Treasury now writes checks with information on them for what they are for. DUH? Treasury would never pass an IRS Audit. The irony is, Treasury RUNS The IRS.
People who depend on tips, OT and Social Security are getting tax relieve.
Gas pump prices are down.
A new wave of electrical grid upgrades are on their way along with a renewal in nuclear energy with Small Modular Pebble Reactors plus NatGas to power massive data centers with excess being added to the ancient Grid. These AI data centers will have their own power plants with DOE accelerating approval permits way faster than we have ever seen. Hell, we been putting small nuclear reactors on subs and ships for 70 years. To support the computing power needed along for AI data centers and other electric needs. We need to double our existing power of 4,000 terawatt-hours (TWh) to 8,000 TWh, or 8 Petawatts PWh. Ain't happening with wind and solar. NatGas and nuclear are the only long term choices we have - it'll be better in 100 years once we figure out how to do nuclear fusion like the Sun. California will benefit without brown and black outs or gov't controlling your thermostats and forcing what you can purchase.
We've had 12 years of Obama/Biden. Sit back and enjoy America moving away from the socialism and slowing or debt increase to sometime where we have a surplus to help pay it down. One scary thing is the amount of debt t-bills and bonds China and Japan. If they decide to dump, that is the most effective economic weapon China has. Japan has its own financial crisis to deal with as we saw a year ago when their federal reserve (whatever they call it) tried to increase interest rates - BANG - they backed off quickly. And they have a declining your population and aging population that depends on the young being taxed.
You can't tax and control a country into prosperity. People like you hate it here so much, Canada is just a short drive away. I have NOTHING against Canada or Canadians, Canada just better aligns with what you want. Why live here where it is all bad and nasty for you? Let the rest of us unwashed masses suffer, please.
The only member of Trump’s cabinet with a positive approval rating is RFK, not sure what that means maybe one of you smart guys could help us out with the explanation
The dems approval rating is lower than anyone in Trump's cabinet. LOL 37 percent As of now, the Democratic Party's approval rating is at 37 percent, according to a recent Harvard CAPS/Harris poll. This reflects a low point for the party, which has been struggling with favorability ratings across various demographics.
^Agreed. RFK is a fucking tahd. To be fair I feel the same about all anti-vaxxers. Still have more respect for them than progressives. Mamdani lol. Real bright beacon to follow. A fucking Muslim Pocohontas and a Nazi.
Meanwhile can anyone explain why that hack has a higher approval rating than the rest of his cabinet?
With Biden and Obama, the right wing posters on here and in the public square spent our time talking about the abysmal failures, the downward trajectory of our nation, the abdication of global peaceguarding, the vilification of standard American and family values, the erosion of Constiutional rights and more, and we did so with clear intellectual honesty and the moral high ground.
In 2016 and even more so today, the left wing posters on here an in the public square make up lies from thin air. All the horrible things happening are because of Trump - like peace between Israel and Iran, Pakistan and India, the Abraham Accords, and our southern border? Masked men are terrorizing communities - you mean the clearly identified ICE and CBP agents going out to arrest illegal aliens (being in this country illegally IS a crime), child traffickers, and violent criminals? I see masked men attacking law enforcement personnel who do a dangerous job keeping us safe. People are losing their rights - you mean a man's "right" to go change in a locker room with your teenage daughter, to follow your 12-year old into a women's bathroom at IHOP, to physically compete in girls' sports leaving them brutalized, demoralized, and even crippled? I remember Biden trying to force people to get an unsafe vaccine, control peoples' thoughts and speech by making them use made-up pro-nouns, take our away our 1st, 2nd, and 10th amendment rights. The horrible economy where grocery store shelves are no longer empty, I no longer have to choose between gas in my car or eggs in my fridge (I never did, but you may have), and more jobs go overseas leaving Americans with few prospects for gainful employment and professional fulfillment? I remember broad panic under Biden as inflation peaked over 9% ( 20% increase over Trump's rate), gas prices tripled, grocery prices increased 500%, and interest rates over 5% putting anything requiring a loan out of reach for most people.
All the horrible shit happening today, like in 2016, is clearly the fault of democrats and leftists. In 2016 it was BLM and today it is anti-semitism, in 2016 it was ANTIFA and today it's CHIRLA, in 2016 it was ISIS and today it's Iran. The border is even more quiet than it was in 2018, the BBB was just passed and like the 2016 tax cuts we can look forward to more economic growth and employment, DEI, ESG, and trans madness is being forced out of public and private employers.
These are facts. I am not sorry if you cannot get laid because you are too disgusting to be accepted by anything other than a p4p provider in a Mexican brothel. Have you tried not being a disgusting loser?
You fellas are so funny I can’t believe you are serious, I said nothing about your maga agenda nothing about ICE, nothing about your fixation on Trump, all I asked about was how could a loser like RFK, a phony ant-vax, conspiracy theorist, with less than zero credibility could get an approval rating higher than Trump and his entire cabinet, and all any of you folks have responded with the same drivel we’ve been hearing 24/7 from you guys that never shut the fuck up, just like your elected President, answer the fucking question, stop deflecting with tons of bullshit. Now can one of you smart guys tell me how a blithering idiot like RFK can get an approval rating higher than Trump and his entire cabinet. I really don’t care about the rest of this nonsense.
Narcissist 25IQ lives up to his moniker and thinks it is all about him. How much of a thin-skinned bitch can you possible be? You are not the only leftist retard posting lies on this forum. Most of us ignore you and play with RonJax. You must be so jealous. Fine, I will take pity on you and explain RFK's approval: MAHA.
That's it. Make America Healthy Again. Increase our food safety standard to match Europe. Dangerous and potentially toxic artificial ingredients out of our food supply. Educate the public of food scientifically engineered to be addictive and trigger the same sections of the brain as cocaine and nicotine. Place public safety above pharmaceutical profits. Sever the binding ties between FDA employment and corner offices at Big Food and Big Pharma. Reduce medicaid and medicare fraud. Restore public confidence in the FDA, CDC, NIH which were left in tatters after Biden and Fauci. Or will you lie and call that more "drivel" and "blither."
MAHA.
Do not feel bad that you did not figure that out on your own. We all know what a demented old fool you are.
Deports those putas
RFK is anti vaccine… anti fluoride.. as well as anti food fillers/chemicals. A lot of his views are considered fringe, unscientific. Even food colors, some argue are in these products in such minor amounts that there shouldn’t be such a noticeable toxic effect.
A two-way block won't do much good, unless founder made content unavailable without logging in. That might be OK for discussions, but there may be people who want to see the reviews without creating an account.
PuddyTat is a classic case of compensating for self-hatred with grandiosity. He regurgitates a fire hose of Fox News disinformation. Since nobody with a life is going to engage with that, he deems them owned by his intellectual hegemony. He hasn't mentioned having AOC's used tampon that he seized on January 6th or anything. So let him have his relatively harmless delusions.
puddy, be respectful and use his full name: ill IL lib.
But in gammy's case, I would bet $10 that he does have AOC's used tampon that he seized on January 6th.
^ in Grammys case I’d bet he needs to wear a helmet to keep from hurting himself.
Why people are getting upset at someone, who by actually posting that the cunt AOC could win the presidency, is exposing a serious mental illness, escapes me. Sad to see an otherwise decent post ruined by the single stupidest comment ever made here. That post is a perfect example of why all illegals, tps, dreamers etc. need to be loaded onto boats and sent elsewhere or scuttle the boats in the ocean.
Icey my brother you used to talk about being a proud Chicano years ago… but you stopped since 4-5 years ago.. it seems like youre trying to appease those neonazi tricks so you began hiding your ethnicity
^^ Dumbest fuck on earth. Calm the fuck down little girl.
Remember Skibum has me blocked. Hes talking to you Icey
25's really butt-hurt about getting put in his place on this thread.
No, In Atlanta, where I club, all dancers must get a permit from the city that requires a background check.