No sex in the VIP room.

I've largely stopped doing warm-up dances, as they're not always a good indicator of what VIP will be like. I think that many dancers have figured out how to perform during a test drive in order to secure a VIP (that doesn't live up to the test drive results...).

If I have a single bad interaction with a dancer, that won't usually put me off an entire club. But if that one interaction turns out to be the SOP for many other dancers there, that's a different story.

I hate it when dancers pretend that we know each other, or we've done dances in the past. It's a really weird hustle.

OTOH, the warm-up dance, if it is good, is also a good venue for a candid discussion of the offerings in VIP. OP actually got a "candid discussion" about VIP, and saved himself $355. Dancers feigning like they've met you before is a familiar, entry-level hustle. I guess it is supposed to feel good to be mistaken for somebody the dancer supposedly remembers favorably.

Good point, Ishmael. I've always been a believer in regular LDs as test drives, but I believe you make a valid point. They could turn up the heat in order to make you believe that more is to come if you go to VIP, then not deliver.

Of course, they don't consider the ramification of that (i.e. your money will no longer go to her), but in most cases, the girls are able to find replacement money elsewhere. There is no sense in rehashing the "girls don't understand repeat money" dialogue.

I suppose the effectiveness of the "hey...I know you" approach is that it (a) makes you feel guilty if you don't remember her and (b) establishes some {albeit fake} familiarity, and a PL thinks, "yeah, I suppose I should go with her".

Another scam I've experienced at clubs where girls know who my regular girls are, is that a girl will come to me and say "Velveeta" (props to whomever used that name in another post....I find it a bit more interesting than Amber/Trixie/Bambi) "is on the phone/smoking/eating/etc. She told me to come out and keep you company so nobody else come along". I fell for it once, then subsequently knew better. I confirmed it was a scam when I told my regular about it, and she said it wasn't true. Girls don't want your money going to other girls, so it would be rare for her to assign a fill-in. Exception would be if a regular girl, when with you, would say, "hey....I need to step away for a bit....Velveeta will keep you company while I'm away".

I’ve occasionally used information from tuscl reviews when traveling or the first time in a club to bluff that I’ve been there before. My hope is that it buys me a little credibility. Or I’ll tell a dancer that I travel to her city once every month or two to try and get her thinking longer term rather than a quick hustle. Does it work? Maybe. Girls or customers, hustle is all in the game.

SC, at least she was up front about vip cost.

I agree with CMI that the correlation between warm up dances and high mileage VIP is not strong. However, I always do them anyway, but just as a way to get more of the overall vibe of the girl and an opportunity for a candid talk. I’ve had girls that you have lame floor dances, but excellent VIPs. Ask direct questions and you usually get direct answers.

When they pretend to know me, I always say "Sorry, but did you spit or swallow". Usually weeds out the hustlers.

I am very much in favor of warmup dances. While I agree that a good warmup dance doesn't guarantee a good VIP experience, most of my better experiences have been after a good regular lapper. A couple people have suggested that dancers ramp up the heat in a warm up dance to get you into VIP. I've more experienced the opposite: a dancer giving a half hearted lap dance with minimal grinding that shows she's not putting effort into selling herself.

Fun said "There is no sense in rehashing the 'girls don't understand repeat money' dialogue."

I don't disagree, but I also think there's more going on. This site is not populated by average customers. Most guys go to strip clubs far less frequently than we do. And dancers know this.

So, from their perspective, they want to get as much money as they can out of a customer they probably won't ever see again. And they don't care very much if that guy leaves a little disappointed if they got that extra VIP money without doing extras.

I'm not saying it's right or entirely wise. I'm just saying that dancers don't look at the average customer as dependable money regardless of what they do or don't do.

Las Vegas is probably the worse with with this tactic.

I guess you could compare it to having work done on your car. You're likely to get cheated from time to time, and to some degree or another. That's why people love a good, honest mechanic. And why it's a big disadvantage if you're a sex work customer with a strong need for strange.

Here’s an idea: while having a warm up dance, negotiate what will occur in VIP and what it will cost. Of course it’s not binding, but mostly they’ll perform as promised, and the ROBs who lie can be outed as frauds on websites like this so they’ll lose business. I like warmup dances with new meat. It previews their level of enthusiasm.

This has basically already been said... a good warm up dance is no guarantee of good VIP but a bad warm up dance sure tells you there is a ceiling on the VIP dance.

I tend to categorize clubs into two buckets: regular customer business model and tourist customer business model. Sure touristy place like Vegas have no real reason to care about repeat business. I might be biased but I've long assumed (and more so pre-2008) that the regular customer business model was the only way to survive outside a touristy area. In my clubbing I usually seem to "lose out" to a dancer's regular.

Ah, the ol' "don't I know you and didn't you say you'd give me lots of money for nothing" trick.

In my local clubbing area, there really is no sex in the Champaign room. Or, more accurately, it’s very rare. So the motivation to spring for VIP is pretty minimal as it is. My visits to a club are generally for eye candy and, possibly, cultivating OTC. So if it’s the latter, I’m trying to figure out if she is down for OTC and if she seems like someone I’m comfortable enough with to seek it.

Therefore, my calculus is to interact in whatever way I can to cultivate the OTC, if that’s what I seek. Otherwise, it’s an eye candy visit. I envy those of you for whom a rewarding VIP is even a realistic option.

I don’t care for sex in the VIP room it’s uncomfortable, rushed and ridiculous to pay upwards of $100. to use a broom closet for 15 or 30 minutes, For me OTC is the way to go.

"I've largely stopped doing warm-up dances, as they're not always a good indicator of what VIP will be like."

Interesting take. I still do them regularly. I find that it's a reasonable way to see if a dancer is going to do what I want in the VIP, and if I already know what she's going to do it's a fun way to wind me up for VIP. Maybe this is a regional difference thing?

FWIW, I usually do a warm up dance unless the barside interaction suggests it's not necessary. I rate the warmup dance based the amount of mutual touching and whether there is DFK, LFK or NK.

If The Dancer Is Full Nude & Up Close On You With Real Perks, There Wouldn't Have To Be Sex In My View With VIP. If Your Getting Really Good Dances With Extras, Tip Her High! It Can Be Hard To Come Across.