Depends on the club. Some are absolutely only arousal and tease. But those clubs suck, and you should go elsewhere. Even then though, there are plenty of advantages.
Escorts: 1. require verification of your identity and references 2. you face uncertainty if it's even a real person, someone else not pictured, or if it's a trap of some kind 3. the dirt cheap rate is $300 for an hour, but $500 is more typical, all the way up to $1k or more for "high end" 4. you only see pictures, and don't know when it was taken or whether she looks like that currently. When you (or she) arrive and meet, that's it, you can't really back out (some escorts require a deposit to even book the appointment).
SC VIP: 1. all parties can remain anonymous 2. you have a real person in front of you 3. dirt cheap rate is $150 for half hour, with more typical being $200-300, with high end being $500 or more. Likely you will not want more than a half hour, but if you do, the rate will be proportional or maybe less if you want to negotiate. 4. you get an up-front taste of what she has to offer in the form of a lap dance, conversation, and see whether you vibe or not. At the very least, she is standing in front of you and not hiding behind a very flattering picture
If you can't do what you need to do in the club, you can at least arrange with the girl to meet outside. It will be a bit more but at least you are not taking any chances with any of the above. You still get to see her, talk to her, have a much higher guarantee of safety (very solid guarantees, once you build some rapport).
I like variety. I like being able to go and leave when I want. I don't like giving up my personal information for traditional escorts.
And though some will quibble with the definitions, there's plenty of dancers who are happy to function as either escorts or sugar babies (or something very close to it).
So, a good strip club is one-stop shopping, minus 10-year-old profile photos.
I agree with 5footguy's general comparison of clubs vs. escorts. But I am learning that sugar babies are a whole different kettle of fish. Over the last several months, I've been ITC maybe once or twice per month. That used to be once or twice per week, lol.
Now don't get me wrong, I still love strip clubs. But sugaring has been the best of all worlds since: 1. All parties can remain anonymous and often do, at least early on. 2. I can have the real person in front of me in a meet n greet before committing to anything. 3. SBs cost me the same money as a hot OTC stripper, except that it buys me 2-3 hours of socializing along with the sex rather than just a quick pop into a hotel room at shift end. 4. It is even more convenient to shop for activity partners as I can do it in my boxers on a Saturday morning or at home with a bourbon on a Tuesday late night. 5. It still gives me the variety I crave.
As an additional bonus, many of these girls don't think of themselves as sex workers and wouldn't dream of stripping or advertising on an escort site. Why this is such a bonus is that they don't associate value to small increments of their time the way escorts and strippers often do, which leads to unhurried dates, and they behave much more naturally.
Factoring in other date costs, I'm still spending about what I was during good club periods with ample OTC options. But the overall quality of the time has been better. For starters, I don't have to share her with anyone else for the 3-4 hours we are out. Also, tbh, the sex has been even better than with OTC strippers and more natural.
I have to be honest in saying that, IMO, the rise of sugaring is probably the biggest existential threat to strip clubs. Sure strip clubs appeal to a broader swath of income ranges, but they survive on the rule of 80/20, meaning that 20% of their customers do 80% of the spending. It's that 20% where the targeting overlap exists and I suspect that sugaring is going to keep peeling them of over time.
I still have a lot of fun in strip clubs. If you think about it, it's like one big Vegas casino game that involves your dick. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose but I think a lot of us go to strip clubs because of awesome it is to win big, you want to match or even top it next time, even when most times out, it's a complete waste of time.
You can find quality girls for a lot cheaper than $100 bucks. I think what it boils down to is the SC imo are more often than not more sensual. You can have sex with escorts and it is more mechanical than sensual.
Well said Rick. SB do seem like a more natural interaction even though we are giving them an allowance. I like when things flow naturally the sex is always better.
I don't see escorts as comparable to strip clubs, at least now what I get out of strip clubs.
Sugaring maybe. But my experience with OTC strippers is somewhat in line with what Rick is describing for Sugaring. My experience with Sugar Babies is quite limited, most of what I've wound up with that were decent were actually strippers dabbling in sugaring. But I spent countless hours dealing with bullshit, flakes, scammers, and girls with unrealistic expectations to find them.
So instead, I essentially shop for sugar babies in the strip club instead of using seeking or other similar sites. I have a good time at the club while I'm doing it, so when I occasionally run into a problem with a girl its easy to shake off. I get what I think i similar results from the girls I take OTC, it takes a little looking but I manage to consistently find girls who don't have that escort mentality with the link of minutes to dollars. My problem is more often getting them to go home than it is with them hurrying things along. Of course, I'm cutting the club out of the bulk of my spending so I'm probably not the greatest customer for the club.
===> "Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose but I think a lot of us go to strip clubs because of awesome it is to win big, you want to match or even top it next time..."
I hear that Muddy. But tbh I won even bigger with SBs and there wasn't nearly as much flakiness in the process. Until a handful of months ago, the hottest girls I ever fucked were strippers, notwithstanding that I dated some pretty hot girls back in my youth. This included a handful of bonified 9s out of various clubs, girls who could work as strippers pretty much anywhere in the country. But since re-exploring sugaring, I've been with a hands down 10 and a couple of other legit 9.5s.
When strippers are that extraordinarily hot, they often don't do OTC because they are already making a killing ITC. Sugaring is just a different world. There are some stunning girls out there working crappy jobs who would never dream of stripping, but who are willing to accept an amount equaling close to their weekly vanilla take home pay if you also take them to dinner and treat them like ladies. I'm like a kid in a candy store right now, lol.
Strippers are less hassle. Sugar babies and escorts require planning and, in some cases, loss of anonymity due to verification process.
I would rather initially meet a stripper in a club, then if we connect, there could be an option for OTC.
Too much rolling of dice with sugar babies and escorts....you don't whether you will be interested.
In the case of sugar babies, it requires digging though profiles and engaging in silly chats via site for a bit, then an initial meetup to see if there is a connection/interest.
SBs also involve a bit more game/effort, whereas with strippers, you can get your rocks off without engaging emotionally. It's easier to view a girl as a sexual object if you don't need to engage socially.
Funontheside that’s a great point you brought up in that being in SC requires little engagement at times. You can sit in the crowd and browse for the right girl that you want to interact with.
As Skimbum correctly said, going to a SC to specifically get extras (CBJ etc) is not in everyone’s SC plan. For some, probably a lot, going to a SC is for no questions asked, no hassle feminine visual entertainment and direct interaction. At the SC can also include a solid element of ‘on any given night’ what might be seen, occur, encountered, who you might meet — that will be a part of the entertainment all on its own. As others have pointed out, some strippers are just that, strippers. they strip/LD/work rooms. IMLE OTC I can say that ‘less hassle’ does not equal problem free. For her, escorting (full time escort or OTC) is predicated on hustle to make as much money as there is to make. Again, the meetup is heavily incentivized for her to say ir do anything for more money with no complaint number to call. What hustle might get pulled should always be considered as possible on any meetup with a woman who is a sex worker.
Sc’s are on tap when I want them, zero coordination and planning required. The girls feel safe in a club environment and so there is zero identification process. Finally you can see what you might buy before you buy it, and even take a test drive. Unless you very specifically want sex in a bed, a sc is way easier.
@shadow escorts prefer incalls unless they come to trust you (and many never will).
We've gone from burlesque to simple stage stripping to lap dancing. Fewer clubs all the time that will fire dancers for doing extras or OTC. Gets tricky to talk about how enduring a type of business is, when many different types of business establishments are lumped together, based on a small similarity.
Escorts have their advantages, specifically value for the dollar. For very similar money to a SC you get the comfort of a bed and an entire hour (or more) uninterrupted.
However, the strings attached - verifying identity, scheduling, have their drawbacks. Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with the ladies doing what they feel they need to do to be safe, but it’s a level of sharing that I’m not comfortable with. As for scheduling, I often don’t know I have availability until the last moment and for many ladies that’s not possible to arrange.
SC’s allow a visual seen to be experienced immediately. You can see 4-10+ hotties with no clothes on right now. You get to experience a Harem fantasy with many girls hanging off of you. You can literally hang out all night and soak it in. You can give the element of surprise by showing up out of nowhere. You get the element of surprise because you don’t know who all is working tonight, the popular clubs seems to try out a new girl every week. Your budget is flexible. You can hold back or go all in because you don’t have contractual allowance payments. Hitting the pause button on a girl is much easier because she’s not expecting a certain amount from you. You’re not expecting yourself to perform at a certain time within a certain time as you would with an appointment. The anonymity allows you to treat girls like pure sex objects. The interactions at the SC can be as scripted or unscripted as you want it to be. You can pay for table talk. You can just cuddle if you wish. You can get or give massages all night. You can dominate and spank or be dominated and get spanked.
Every form has its pluses and minuses. I'd rather we have all these choices. As stated, the SC provides a range of entertainment depending on what you are in the mood for, and you have the baseline of just looking and tipping while hanging out at a bar, or going up the ladder as it were.
The employees of the club have already done the heavy lifting of iding female citizens who're willing to take their clothes off and even rub you down with their butt. It makes sense that such a population would be more willing to perform OTC favors than the general public. Overall, the SC scene saves an incredible amount of time for those who can afford the OTC costs. Or you can be a cheapo and settle for multiple ldks for the same cost of an OTC outing whikst you're protected by the public venue of the club (as opposed to potentially getting robbed or scammed by a hustling stripper).
The point made by several, that not all guys go to strip clubs for extras, is a good one.
For me it still comes down to convenience and choice. I can walk into a club, and if it turns out that I'm not into it, I can leave. Or, if I walk into a club in the mood for one type of dancer, but then I see another type that I think is super hot, I can choose to pivot.
With sugar babies and escorts, there's messaging, a vetting process, and appointments, which is more logistics than I like, as that makes up so much of my work life. And I can see how it might be worth it for some guys (especially in areas that are a strip club wasteland). But that's not my situation.
The strip clubs in New England are to partying with the girls/night clubs/bottle clubs as Mickey Ds is to fine dining. We have strip clubs. Naked women + alcohol + $$$ = strip club.
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Escorts:
1. require verification of your identity and references
2. you face uncertainty if it's even a real person, someone else not pictured, or if it's a trap of some kind
3. the dirt cheap rate is $300 for an hour, but $500 is more typical, all the way up to $1k or more for "high end"
4. you only see pictures, and don't know when it was taken or whether she looks like that currently. When you (or she) arrive and meet, that's it, you can't really back out (some escorts require a deposit to even book the appointment).
SC VIP:
1. all parties can remain anonymous
2. you have a real person in front of you
3. dirt cheap rate is $150 for half hour, with more typical being $200-300, with high end being $500 or more. Likely you will not want more than a half hour, but if you do, the rate will be proportional or maybe less if you want to negotiate.
4. you get an up-front taste of what she has to offer in the form of a lap dance, conversation, and see whether you vibe or not. At the very least, she is standing in front of you and not hiding behind a very flattering picture
If you can't do what you need to do in the club, you can at least arrange with the girl to meet outside. It will be a bit more but at least you are not taking any chances with any of the above. You still get to see her, talk to her, have a much higher guarantee of safety (very solid guarantees, once you build some rapport).
I like being able to go and leave when I want.
I don't like giving up my personal information for traditional escorts.
And though some will quibble with the definitions, there's plenty of dancers who are happy to function as either escorts or sugar babies (or something very close to it).
So, a good strip club is one-stop shopping, minus 10-year-old profile photos.
Now don't get me wrong, I still love strip clubs. But sugaring has been the best of all worlds since:
1. All parties can remain anonymous and often do, at least early on.
2. I can have the real person in front of me in a meet n greet before committing to anything.
3. SBs cost me the same money as a hot OTC stripper, except that it buys me 2-3 hours of socializing along with the sex rather than just a quick pop into a hotel room at shift end.
4. It is even more convenient to shop for activity partners as I can do it in my boxers on a Saturday morning or at home with a bourbon on a Tuesday late night.
5. It still gives me the variety I crave.
As an additional bonus, many of these girls don't think of themselves as sex workers and wouldn't dream of stripping or advertising on an escort site. Why this is such a bonus is that they don't associate value to small increments of their time the way escorts and strippers often do, which leads to unhurried dates, and they behave much more naturally.
Factoring in other date costs, I'm still spending about what I was during good club periods with ample OTC options. But the overall quality of the time has been better. For starters, I don't have to share her with anyone else for the 3-4 hours we are out. Also, tbh, the sex has been even better than with OTC strippers and more natural.
I have to be honest in saying that, IMO, the rise of sugaring is probably the biggest existential threat to strip clubs. Sure strip clubs appeal to a broader swath of income ranges, but they survive on the rule of 80/20, meaning that 20% of their customers do 80% of the spending. It's that 20% where the targeting overlap exists and I suspect that sugaring is going to keep peeling them of over time.
Sugaring maybe. But my experience with OTC strippers is somewhat in line with what Rick is describing for Sugaring. My experience with Sugar Babies is quite limited, most of what I've wound up with that were decent were actually strippers dabbling in sugaring. But I spent countless hours dealing with bullshit, flakes, scammers, and girls with unrealistic expectations to find them.
So instead, I essentially shop for sugar babies in the strip club instead of using seeking or other similar sites. I have a good time at the club while I'm doing it, so when I occasionally run into a problem with a girl its easy to shake off. I get what I think i similar results from the girls I take OTC, it takes a little looking but I manage to consistently find girls who don't have that escort mentality with the link of minutes to dollars. My problem is more often getting them to go home than it is with them hurrying things along. Of course, I'm cutting the club out of the bulk of my spending so I'm probably not the greatest customer for the club.
I hear that Muddy. But tbh I won even bigger with SBs and there wasn't nearly as much flakiness in the process. Until a handful of months ago, the hottest girls I ever fucked were strippers, notwithstanding that I dated some pretty hot girls back in my youth. This included a handful of bonified 9s out of various clubs, girls who could work as strippers pretty much anywhere in the country. But since re-exploring sugaring, I've been with a hands down 10 and a couple of other legit 9.5s.
When strippers are that extraordinarily hot, they often don't do OTC because they are already making a killing ITC. Sugaring is just a different world. There are some stunning girls out there working crappy jobs who would never dream of stripping, but who are willing to accept an amount equaling close to their weekly vanilla take home pay if you also take them to dinner and treat them like ladies. I'm like a kid in a candy store right now, lol.
I would rather initially meet a stripper in a club, then if we connect, there could be an option for OTC.
Too much rolling of dice with sugar babies and escorts....you don't whether you will be interested.
In the case of sugar babies, it requires digging though profiles and engaging in silly chats via site for a bit, then an initial meetup to see if there is a connection/interest.
SBs also involve a bit more game/effort, whereas with strippers, you can get your rocks off without engaging emotionally. It's easier to view a girl as a sexual object if you don't need to engage socially.
As others have pointed out, some strippers are just that, strippers. they strip/LD/work rooms. IMLE OTC I can say that ‘less hassle’ does not equal problem free. For her, escorting (full time escort or OTC) is predicated on hustle to make as much money as there is to make. Again, the meetup is heavily incentivized for her to say ir do anything for more money with no complaint number to call. What hustle might get pulled should always be considered as possible on any meetup with a woman who is a sex worker.
It’s simple once you’ve seen one tit, you want to see them all.
We've gone from burlesque to simple stage stripping to lap dancing. Fewer clubs all the time that will fire dancers for doing extras or OTC. Gets tricky to talk about how enduring a type of business is, when many different types of business establishments are lumped together, based on a small similarity.
And fondle and hug.
And wonderful scenery.
However, the strings attached - verifying identity, scheduling, have their drawbacks. Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with the ladies doing what they feel they need to do to be safe, but it’s a level of sharing that I’m not comfortable with. As for scheduling, I often don’t know I have availability until the last moment and for many ladies that’s not possible to arrange.
Strip clubs find the girls for you and get them all in one place where you can have a beer with the guys
The interactions at the SC can be as scripted or unscripted as you want it to be. You can pay for table talk. You can just cuddle if you wish. You can get or give massages all night. You can dominate and spank or be dominated and get spanked.
Overall, the SC scene saves an incredible amount of time for those who can afford the OTC costs. Or you can be a cheapo and settle for multiple ldks for the same cost of an OTC outing whikst you're protected by the public venue of the club (as opposed to potentially getting robbed or scammed by a hustling stripper).
For me it still comes down to convenience and choice. I can walk into a club, and if it turns out that I'm not into it, I can leave. Or, if I walk into a club in the mood for one type of dancer, but then I see another type that I think is super hot, I can choose to pivot.
With sugar babies and escorts, there's messaging, a vetting process, and appointments, which is more logistics than I like, as that makes up so much of my work life. And I can see how it might be worth it for some guys (especially in areas that are a strip club wasteland). But that's not my situation.