Rich sanctuary state sends "asylum seekers" to military concentration camp
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Don’t come here and expect a red carpet, and hand outs!
They should teach them English while they are there - so they can become productive contributing members of society.
“We stand with immigrants... all are welcome here”
Until someone actually takes them up on the offer, then the Karen’s are on full display. “They can’t come here? We don’t have jobs! We don’t have housing!”
Yeah motorhead, with that type it's thoughts and feelings count, not actual actions.
I'd hardly call Joint Base Cape Code a concentration camp. It has almost 2,000 residents, mostly Coast Guard families. I'm guessing that they chose JBCC because it was the only facility they had close to by which could easily absorb 50 people who have no money, but need beds, meals and showers. Heck from all reports these people have been given cell phones, have immigration attorneys visiting them and can leave at any time.
Martha's Vineyard is just an island, made up of 6 tiny towns, used mostly as a Summer getaway. Even if one of those little towns agreed to house and feed these people, they'd have no ongoing access to any support resources. It would also be more difficult for family to get to them, or vice versa, as it requires a ferry to get to/from Martha's Vineyard.
Net-net moving them to a state funded facility on the mainland made a lot of sense.
https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/martha…
And can you imagine what the New York times headline would be if Texas Governor Abbott had rounded up 50 illegal aliens in Brownsville and shipped them to a Texas National Guard military base?
There was nothing inhumane about moving the refugees to JBCC. They have access to cafeteria facilities, showers, beds, laundry facilities, etc - the same resources already used by Coast Guard and National Guard personnel. Family and immigration attorneys can also get to them much more easily.
I am as irritated as anyone about the border problems and I'm as right wing as just about anyone on here. But frankly I also wish that DeSantis would stop pulling these publicity stunts and start looking a little more Presidential.
I also wish that the news outlets would stop trying to spin this logical move of the immigrants to facilities better suited to care for them as some great display of hypocrisy - this is nothing more than fodder for people too emotional or stupid to grasp the logistical challenges of housing these people in a very small and isolated island tourism town.
You mean by providing them with shelter, meals, play areas for the kids and arranging for better longer-term accommodations with much better access to resources? If that is what you mean by "true colors" then alrighty. 😉
You asked us to tell you how you were wrong and I told you. They can't work here legally so there are no jobs to give them and all of the facilities where they could be housed on the island are privately controlled. You can't force a hotel owner to accept refugees that he/she doesn't want on the property. The people of Martha's Vineyard are no more a homogenous entity than those in any other town. To further add to the complications is that most of these towns are very thinly staffed from an employee standpoint.
Moving them to JBCC was the right move for everyone - for the towns and for the immigrants. It makes great melodramatic theatre to ship them to a place with no public housing facilities and then accuse the towns of hypocrisy when they make alternative arrangements for those who need it, but it's flat out silly if you have any aptitude for critical thinking.
I don’t know if they can work legally or not. The Biden administration claims they are legal asylum seekers, so they may have work authorizations. I don’t know. Even if not, this rich enclave could easily sponsor 50 immigrants indefinitely, if they wanted to. Clearly, they didn’t. They got rid of them as soon as they could.
Sure, it’s a publicity stunt, no doubt about it. With thousands streaming across the border every day, a few busses and a charter flight are not going to provide any meaningful relief to the border. It looks like a pretty effective publicity stunt to me.
Yet over the last 10 years or so, the county has quietly absorbed approximately 35,000 immigrants. Mostly all undocumented from Mexico and Central America. The school system is now 50% Hispanic.
I think it’s beyond hypocritical that Martha’s Vineyard, a self described sanctuary city, can’t accept a mere 50 immigrants when the conservative Republican county i described absorbed 35,000 with very little pushback. Sometimes the Democrats really need to examine their collective conscience who the real racists are.
When I was in AZ this spring, the US Government dropped off a bunch of immigrants in Gila Bend in the middle of the night. If you've ever driven through that city, it's basically a one street city with a couple of stop lights. They had no way of dealing with a bus load of immigrants dropped at their door by the US Government in the middle of the night. Hell, they barely have one or two motels in that city.
DE, I met you in person so I know you're not stupid. Why do you keep talking about these towns like they're some homogenous entity instead of a collection of private individuals? Not all people in Martha's Vineyard share the same political views.
To repeat what I said again, more explicitly...
You can't force a hotel owner to accept refugees that he/she doesn't want on the property. The people of Martha's Vineyard are no more a homogenous entity than those in any other town.
These temporary work authorizations take time to process and only get issued after asylum applications go through certain inspections. So right now they can't work and there are no public facilities in which to house them. Under those circumstances, I don't understand how anyone could fault the town they landed in for how they approached this. I don't know pretty much any small town anywhere that is equipped to serve refugees for any length of time, including my own here in FL.
Another aspect you won’t see in the media at all, in places like Chicago, the politics are extremely racialized. It’s about a third white, a third black and a third hispanic and how they draw up their districts is based on race. It’s almost stunning that it’s like that but it is. The black dems in Chicago really don’t want immigrants from hispanic countries in the city, they’ll lose power hence why they are bused to the suburbs.
'If you wanted an anti Latino anti immigrant thread you could have just labeled it that'
^ exactly, us beaners need to stick together in the fight against whitey. KILL WHITEY!
https://tuscl.net/photos/6327ff59234a8
One last point, we still have asylum laws, and people have the right to asylum, change the law if you don't like it, don't break the law yourself.
Still, the bottom line is there are a bunch of rich folks who like to put on airs and “pretend” to be SJW, but when the rubber meets the road they are proving to be exactly like the conservatives they hate so much.
Among all those millionaires, who probably all own companies and have connections can’t put up a thousand dollars for a motel and help them find a job.
I bet many of those folks have attended $35,000 a plate Obama fundraisers so don’t tell me they can’t fork over a bit of their own cash to support a cause they claim to believe in
That's apples to bananas and you know it. What happened in your county was organic - the first wave drifted there no doubt following agricultural jobs (where nobody is checking work authorizations) and then others followed. That is quite different than 50 people being shuttled into a place where they know nobody and have no ability to provide for themselves.
I agree 100% with everyone here that what is happening at the border is fucked up and too many TX and AZ towns are bearing the brunt. But the hypocrisy narrative that some of you are so eager to spin just didn't happen here. I happen to know MA pretty well and there are tens of thousands of illegal immigrants who live and work there - just not on an isolated tourist island like Martha's Vineyard. From JBCC they will be much better positioned to connect with people they may know in the Boston metro area and better integrate into the community.
Anyway (not directed at Dugan) at the end of the day you can’t criticize Desantis and Abbot without calling out the Biden Administration’s complete and total failure at the border. To do otherwise makes one look like such a hypocritical fuckhead. The lack of self awareness on some of these people. I thought Ken Burns made some great documentaries back in the day, but he goes on this week to compare what’s going on now to the Holocaust. What a fucking douchebag!
My hard on relates to the utter lack of critical thinking in this thread. Dump 50 random strangers with no money on any small town with no public housing and there will be logistical challenges. Add to that the language barrier and inability to work legally and it gets even worse. Most small towns are simply not equipped to easily provide support services to large groups of indigent people.
But some people want to believe that this supports some greater hypocrisy narrative or has some deeper message. It doesn't. All this did was make DeSantis look like a political hack.
The 50 immigrants were sheltered and fed until more permanent arrangements could be made. Now they are in a place with easy access to ample food, beds, showers, cell phones, immigration attorneys, medical care and - for anyone who is confused - they can come and go as they please. Moving them was the right thing to do, not evidence of intolerance or lack of welcome.
Do I think the left cares about that fact? No. They've been silent about Biden's flights around the country, including to Florida, with far more people.
The left is upset because DeSantis scored points against Democrats.
A couple of things to point out: 50 people in a town of 20k is not a big deal compared to what the border towns are facing. The border towns are nowhere near as wealthy and do not have the facilities. The speed at which these illegal immigrants were tossed out of Marty's Yard (and Chicago) is rank hypocrisy, plain and simple. There is plenty of vacancy and the government could have asserted its powers of eminent domain. But, this would mean that the people of Marty's Yard would have to oppose it, thereby further exposing their hypocrisy. Oh, and btw, Biden has been flying immigrants all over the country. Governors have just as much right to transport as does the federal government.
Illegal immigration is truly an issue. I met some childhood friends this weekend who both work for the government (think 3 letter organizations). While drug trafficking is of low concern, human trafficking is a real issue and more perverse imo. The real issue is the Biden administration has done nothing to quell the border crisis and we all agreed that its signals can be interpreted to encourage border crossing. To be fair, every administration has done a mostly poor job of handling this. We need to re-think what it means to be an immigrant here. This is by no means a simple issue. If the citizens vote to keep things the way they are, then be prepared for tent cities and shanty towns. It will drive wages down for the already poor. If strengthen the border, we might be creating the next Palestine, or at least a step up from concentration camps.
In reality, we actually need immigration. Our birth rate is in decline. These immigrants, surprisingly enough, might actually make good citizens (except english skills would be low). The overwhelming majority do want a better life and are willing to work and (except border crossing) obey laws.
Let’s understand that our country’s government is spending money at a rate that will burden many future generations. The programs setup to assist legal American citizens will go broke.
Now they want to add more undocumented immigrants to get handouts too? This is not a prudent direction for our country. The best method to handle this is through legal immigration of documented people.
It’s imperative that we know who we are letting in. There must be a vetting process and immigrants must be tracked. There must also be consequences for those who decide to circumvent the legal process.
I’ve never heard of an Auschwitz type of camp on that beautiful island.
It’s actually on Cape Cod not on the island.
https://calthomas.com/2022/09/the-illega…
https://calthomas.com/2022/09/chickens-h…
In my lifetime I remember two different "Immigration Reform" laws passed. I'm not sure when, but I think they were in '86 and '06. Both times, we (the citizens) were told "This is the last time" when they granted amnesty to millions of illegal aliens. Now they are going to do it again? I'm for LEGAL immigration, but if people coming across our border get to break the law, can I pick a few laws I want to ignore (break) without any consequences? I haven't heard statistics lately, but I do remember when the press would report that the majority of legal immigrants were against illegal immigration. The legal immigrants got in line and followed the rules.
We are supposed to be a nation of laws. I feel sorry for the Border Patrol/ICE agents trying to stem the tide, knowing terrible policies dictated by higher ups make their job nearly impossible, a mere drop in the bucket.
Rant over. <Stepping down from my soapbox>
The moment you set foot in our nation without following the proper and lawful immigration protocols, you are a criminal. I am not going to pretend to know all relevant applicable federal and international laws and norms regarding how to treat illegal aliens, but they should be detained and deported without hesitation. just pack 'em all on a slow boat that can travel down the Atlantic Coast and deposit them back where they came from. They're criminals, so they could be prosecuted and sent to Camp X-Ray to serve their sentence. They certainly do not deserve the temperate climes and opportunities of the continental US.
When Obama and his AG refused to enforce the nation's immigration laws, they both became guilty of dereliction of duty and should have been tried for such. Biden and his Obama 2.0 admin are not even acknowledging that we have immigration laws. The whole lot of them should be criminally charged. The democrat party and everyone else on the left are frittering away our precious national heritage. They obviously do not care about America because they are doing nothing to protect America. Don't forget that the Venezuelans voted for Chavez. They chose populist socialism a few years ago. If they can, they will choose it again here, in America, to keep their freebies coming.
Do not say you were not warned.
“we support immigrants - with leaf blowers”
Ski, the states and the Feds are funding relief efforts in AZ and TX, not the individual towns. And yes, I don't disagree that what is happening on the border is fucking ridiculous. But dropping 50 broke strangers in a tiny town that has no public housing facilities and had no reason to prepare in advance for that sort of thing is just silly.
Those evil Martha's Vineyard residents immediately housed them, fed them and made arrangements to get them to a place that could more easily accommodate them for as long as needed (beds, ample food, showers, medical assistance, immigration attorneys, laundry facilities, cell phones, etc.) Oh yeah, I can see why you chuckleheads are so critical - that was a horrible thing to do to these immigrants. Much better to keep them isolated on an island only accessible by ferry with no ability to legally work, limited transportation options (remember illegal immigrants can't register cars), no public housing options and very limited support services. 😉
They can't work legally and can't even register a car - what the fuck are they going to do in a tiny town on Martha's Vineyard?
Even if there are other illegals in Martha's Vineyard - and there can't be many - what does that have to do with absorbing 50 indigents who don't know anyone there and can't support themselves? When illegals to settle into an area, it happens organically. They are following jobs and/or family already setup there and are invariably able to support themselves.
Anyone who sees any negative message in the compassionate and logical approach that the Vineyard took in dealing with this is just plain stupid. This is not a "two opinions are equally valid" moment - you really have to be a moron or blinded by bitter emotion not to comprehend how moving these people to the support facilities at JBCC was both the logical and humane approach.
My guess is that he did this with an eye towards the Presidential primaries. He has to peel off some Trump supporters in order to win, so he's trying to showcase his right wing anti-immigration bona fides. But if he wins, I just hope this doesn't backfire on him in the general election.
The big challenges would have been coordinating longer-term accommodations, the ongoing provision of meals, medical care, clothing, sundries, communications and a myriad of other necessary support services. Martha's Vineyard does not have a ready built facility to provide all of this. I have no doubt that they would have pieced it together given time if they needed to, but with the state offering the close-by JBCC facility with all of this already in place, moving them there just made sense.
https://tuscl.net/photo.php?id=11951
And yes, they are as homogenous as any group outside of North Korea, voting 75% Democratic/Biden. But when the brown people actually showed up, they were tripping over themselves to get them out of there. Conclusion: rank hypocrisy.
Yes, they put on a good show for the cameras, but they never made any real effort to accommodate them on the island, which they easily could have done. They got them moved out of there in 44 hours, which means they started looking for ways to get rid of them as soon as the plane touched down.
The summer travel season is over, there were plenty of empty hotel rooms, and the island is flush with cash. And no, a hotel cannot refuse to accommodate someone based on race or national origin. That’s illegal. If someone had put up the money for them to stay in a hotel, they would’ve had to allow it.
And if they really are asylum-seekers, like the Biden administration pretends they are, they are allowed to work. They could easily have found jobs for 50 people on an island of 17,000 permanent residents. Somebody’s got to mow the grass on Obama’s 29 acre estate.
OK, the term “concentration camp” was a bit of hyperbole, and I’ve never been to Joint Base Cape Cod, but I’ve been to plenty of other military bases over the years, and they are not generally the most comfortable of places. And they are not built to accommodate refugees. They are generally built to accommodate some number of transient visitors with food and housing, but nothing like the tens of thousands of visitors a vacation spot like Martha’s Vineyard can handle at any given time. A major training base might be an exception, but that’s not what Joint Base Cape Cod is. I doubt any of the immigrants would say that they would prefer staying in a military barracks versus a bed-and-breakfast in Martha’s Vineyard.
Rick, you can put as much gold spray paint on this turd as you want, but it’s still a turd.
This is where your logic falls apart. They were indigent with no direct method of payment (they would have needed to rely upon a guarantor), no permanent residence to speak of, in the U.S. (and thereby in the hotel) unlawfully...I could go on. Outside of a handful of very specific protected categories, innkeepers have broad latitude to refuse service if they believe that accepting the guests could cause harm to their operation. Most hotels are simply not equipped to provide the level of support needed by indigent refugees.
But OK, let's follow this logic through. In the minds of some on here, it would have been preferable for the local town to do the following...
1. Leave them on a harder to access isolated island, requiring visitors (lawyers, social workers, family/friends) to ferry to them;
2. Rent them all hotel rooms, for a potentially indefinite period of time, using third-party guarantors (after bludgeoning a few innkeepers into accepting them);
3. Somehow coordinate three meals a day to be delivered to 50 people at the hotels for potentially months;
4. Coordinate clothing deliveries and laundry pickup and servicing;
5. Shuttling these people to local medical facilities as needed;
6. Purchase and deliver sundries, communication devices, etc., all at the town level; and
7. Purchase and deliver any other goods needed on an ongoing basis (diapers, feminine hygiene products, etc., etc.).
...instead of moving them to a facility a short ferry ride away that immediately solves almost all of these problems? Does it not occur to those of you taking this position just how stupid that sounds? 😂
Instead of moving them to a facility perfectly designed to meet all of these needs AND staffed with paid personnel who are accustomed to dealing with living issue logistics, instead the towns should have managed all of these issues using staff who were not remotely accustomed to dealing with these issues.
Maybe the Town Clerk, in between stamping birth certificate copies and issuing dog licenses, could have been responsible for coordinating food deliveries and bringing people to the doctor.
Perhaps the Town Treasurer could be responsible for washing the refugees laundry each day.
Maybe the Town Council could alternate to keep a continuous carpool going to various other transportation and delivery needs.
LMAO.
Most of these immigrants just come here to have a chance to work. They have left behind whatever they may have had where they came from.
SJG
You’re right about one thing though. It takes some real work and resources to actually welcome someone in need into your community, versus simply mouthing empty platitudes and vapid progressive slogans. Martha’s Vineyard chose the latter, putting on a fake veneer of compassion and support, but only for as long as it took the National Guard to show up, put them on buses, and deport them. They did so because they knew they would have the support of the liberal media, which fell for their little fake passion play hook, line, and sinker. I’m surprised that you fell for it also, though.
The Texas sheriff investigating DeSantis for unspecified crimes announced at a press conference yesterday that the immigrants were legal asylum-seekers and could have filled open jobs in San Antonio. If they were legal to work in Texas, they were legal to work in Martha’s Vineyard. And anyway, the so-called sanctuaries have never been too concerned about what is legal for immigrants to do and not to do. It was also reported yesterday that there were more than 50 open job listings on Martha’s Vineyard. Not all of the immigrants were even working age, so it seems likely that any of them that wanted to work on Martha’s vineyard could’ve been given a job.
Martha’s Vineyard was flush with vacant hotel rooms, cash, and open jobs, but didn’t even try to resettle a single one in their community. It’s hard to believe that not one of 50 immigrants didn’t want to stay there, at least temporarily for a few weeks, versus being housed in military barracks. I know which I would choose. Hint: it’s not the barracks. Your arguments don’t hold water. The rich, white progressives of Martha’s Vineyard are just a bunch of hypocrites, plain and simple.
Over the past twenty or so years, the nativists, have dodged the issue of fixing the border, refusing any attempt at a solution, actually that has been an ongoing issue in American history there’s always been friction and exploitation over this issue.
Don’t you think we can do a better job of dealing with immigration than constantly looking to own the other side?
And yes, I agree 100% this was a political stunt. But it was a very effective one that revealed the complete hypocrisy of the Martha Vineyard so-called progressives. It really would have backfired on DeSantis if Martha’s Vineyard‘s residents had actually tried to resettle even just a few of them on the island. But no, just one more brown person was too much for the island.
They certainly have a lot to gain, electorally, from millions of new Democratic voters. Lax enforcement + fewer safeguards against illegal voting + pathway to citizenship all benefits them. If they expected these to be Republican voters, it would be shut tighter than Fort Knox.
If the left wants to secure the border, I'm all ears to their proposals. Right now it looks like they don't give a shit and benefit from a _lack_ of security.
Are you an indigent immigrant with no ability to provide for your most basic needs? If not, then your own personal preferences are utterly irrelevant. Unlike you, they can't just order up a delivery meal on Uber Eats or hop in their cars and purchase needed goods and services from local stores. Trying to use tourist hotels as refugee shelters is utterly asinine if you have any better option, which in this case they did in the form of a nearby JBCC facility.
I am "shilling" for the people of Martha's Vineyard because, when you actually take a clear-eyed view of the facts on the ground (which have been covered in painful detail above), they did all the right things under the circumstances. I'm not going to demonize another group of people just because I don't agree with their politics and neither should anyone else who claims to have any degrees of intellect and emotional control.
It used to be primarily the province of whiny hypersensitive Dems to twist facts and engage in mental gymnastics in order to conjure up an emotionally satisfying narrative. It is beyond disappointing to see grown ass male Republicans now engaging in the same foolishness.
No, that's the question we should ask about every policy proposal. And when several proposals work together towards the same ends, we should ask mercilessly.
Tomorrow, Biden could re-implement his predecessor's policies and stem the flow within months. It wouldn't cost anything to fund the Border Patrol, rather than demoralize and demonize them, for one.
If they care about this issue, why can't they take these baby steps?
A real conversation requires good faith. The Dems actions seem geared towards pouring more illegal immigrants into our system and giving them the vote.
I'd love to be proven wrong on this with actual policies and statistics, but the cynical one fits the data.
Asylum Seekers Suing Ron Disantis:
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SJG
It keeps proving true
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Martha's Vineyard, use zoom outs to see where this is and how small it is:
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