I think the one silver lining of this dark catastrophe of a presidency is this:
We can stop pretending like the hatred of brown people has validity.
For years, I've heard: "I don't dislike immigrants, just the illegal ones." Though I disagree with the idea, it's fair at least. Maybe you're a stickler for the rule of law.
However, if that were true, these same people would be outraged at the illegality of Trump's attacks on immigrants and brown people in general. Deportations without hearings. The attempt to override the constitution by fiat. The unprecedented deployment of troops on US soil. The brutal arrests of US citizens, like this one theguardian.com
Yet, in the face of such reckless lawlessness, every Republican I know is unoffended. Which tells us a stone cold fact: It's always been about hatred of brown people, never about enforcing immigration laws.
The cruelty and hatred is the point. Once you understand that, you can make sense of why we would deny a fucking little league team the right to enter the country.
Icey once again, you dont have an actual clear, objective definition of what a terrorist group is… ive seen people argue that its not terrorism for BLM protesters to destroy buildings and burn businesses because they need to unleash their anger… but also say white supremacist groups are terrorists even if they only march around displaying nazi and confederate flags
Jan 6 was bad… but not so much compared to the BLM affiliated protests
And no, just because a white guy at some BLM protests was burning things up, doesnt mean it was an undercover cop or government agent lol
And if you genuinely believe the government and police were the ones burning stuff down in protests, then why condemn Jan 6 at all? Lol
Icey you’ve also said all politicians and cops are evil and corrupt just like @georgmicrodong. So according to you guys the Jan 6 people were all superheroes? I mean you cant have it both ways, its not like they targeted target walmart and small businesses like the BLM guys.
@chunkychicano / Rick... I think your view of BLM is fundamentally flawed.
That was a movement, not an organization. Though some communist grifters did create a website and organization around the movement (ex post facto), that shitty organization does not represent the people who supported the movement. The people who supported BLM is a broad and diverse array of individuals and even included Mitt Fucking Romney. cnn.com
The movement was LARGELY peaceful and non-violent, in spite of the fact that CNN and FOX managed to setup and film in front of every single incident of vandalism or arson. Opportunists, anarchocommunists and ulta right wing nationalist nutjobs were largely responsible for the looting and arson that did occur. The violence and looting was condemned widely by Dems and GOP alike. And it also all occurred during the pandemic, at a time where EVERYONE in the country was operating on a very short fuse.
In contrast, the J6 rally was organized by the Trump campaign. Trump spoke at it. He told people to march on the capital (even said he would join them, but he is a pussy so he didn't.)
I just don't think you can remotely compare the two things.
^ LOL. Tell the "movement for black lives" that. BLM was a grift to con money out of stupid rich white liberals and use it to buy real estate.
Libs like @RonJax2 like to pretend BLM is at once everything and nothing in order to dodge accountability for anything it does. Hence why they excuse vandalism and arson as a few bad apples (or even "ultra right wing nationalists...LOL!") driven mad by the pandemic, and overrepresented in the media (wait, the same CNN that tried to justify it as "fiery but mostly peaceful"?), yet Jan 6 (still in the pandemic) represents the entirety of the conservative movement. Mitt Romney? LOL, Romney has no principles whatsoever. Find a better across-the-aisle spokesman, bro.
It's a fact that the worst someone does disproportionately impacts their reputation. Most days of his life, Ted Bundy wasn't raping and murdering coeds. Do we say he lived a LARGELY non-serial-killery life?
But you're right that we can't compare the two. You'd need almost 20,000 Jan 6's to get the amount of damage inflicted by the BLM riots.
Thankfully, sanity has broken out since November 2024.
We don't have to pretend morbid obesity is attractive.
We don't have to pretend that self-discipline, punctuality, and hard work are "acting white" and therefore harmful to minority communities.
We don't have to pretend the truth is determined by the victim status of the speaker rather than the truth of the content.
We don't have to pretend there are infinite genders that can be swapped at will and MTF MMA fighters should be punching born women's lights out.
We don't have to pretend it's a civil rights violation not to put out litter boxes for cat-identifying middle schoolers.
We don't have to pretend that illegal immigration is victimless, or even salutary.
@RonJax2 yes.. as far as supporters of the BLM movement, theres multiple types of supporters. I know that some of the supporters are likely doing it because its trendy or because their friends are doing it. Its possible that even the majority of the supporters are just people doing it because its trendy and their friends are doing it.
But BLM started because of the idea that black people were disproportionately affected by police violence relative to their population size.
But then they started addressing even non police related incidents that involved black people. And, they went out of their way to protest for each individual black person that was in some way negatively affected by police or a non black person.
That is fundamentally racist and the same thing as setting up a homeless group, cancer group, drunk driving group etc but only for a specific race of people.
As far as the BLM protests having right wingers and opportunists present that could be possible but then the same could be said about Jan 6 or any right wing affiliated protests. Any protest at any location can always have a mix of people present.
BLM happens to be a black supremacist group that has followers of a variety of a different races. For similar reasons if you go to any middle/high school or even university, youll find white people, latino people even asians and indians who speak like theyre from the hood and even call each other “nigga”.
Its not as socially unacceptable to be a black supremacist as a white supremacist. But theyre still morally, ethically, the exact same thing.
Thats why if you see videos of for instance target stores in these big cities being looted… a lot of the people doing that looting were black and latino people.
You could say maybe they voted on the right or were nationalists… but they wouldnt be affiliated with the white supremacists. Nor do I buy the argument that the government specifically went out and hired black and latin people to loot and destroy in those protests.
Also, Biden and Kamala, and like you said evej Mitt Romney and some GOPers, proudly supported BLM.
I dont see Trump supporting Jan 6ers as the equivalent. MAGA has some people who are anti immigrant, but its not explicitly racist the way BLM is. When Biden, Obama and others support BLM that would be the equivalent of Trump openly voicing support for neonazis and white supremacist groups!
Also as far as “terrorist group” the term is used extremely loosely these days. Theres no real objective calculations done to see, for example, what % of trump voters engage in terrorism vs what % of biden voters do, or what % of the proud boys did xyz or what % of BLM did xyz.
But we know that at least SOME BLM people did engage in terroristic acts like looting and destroying businesses. So based on popular logic, BLM meets the standard of being a terrorist group. I would say it especially and easily meets that standard, considering many BLM supporters themselves claim that hate speech is terrorism. If hate speech is terrorism, than burning businesses and looting is something even worse than terrorism…
But BLM started because of the idea that black people were disproportionately affected by police violence relative to their population size.
Right, do you disagree that this is (or was) the case @chunkychicano? Unfortunately, we have very little data on police shootings, which is a problem itself. But to me it seems accurate that black americans (men in particular) are subjected to harsher and more violent treatment from the police.
But then they started addressing even non police related incidents that involved black people.
Who is the "they" here? Again, it was a movement that a broad array of people participated in. Do you consider Mitt Romney to be a Black supremacist? Hell, I went out and marched for Black Lives in 2021, am I a black supremacist?
Again, BLM, the organization, is a bunch of commie grifters. What they did doesn't reflect on all the participants in the movement.
Also as far as “terrorist group” the term is used extremely loosely these days.
Totally agreed. The legal concept for a "terrorist organization" was created in the early aughts post 9/11. Personally, I had huge problems with it at the time, it massively amplified executive authority and curtailed numerous individual liberties. I have huge problems with it to this day.
Just wait until the shitstorm that's going to happen once Trump starts bombing Culiacán or Juarez, with no oversight, now that he's put several cartels on the terror list.
@ronjax2 we have all the data for at least the past 35 years.
The data shows that every year, for about the past 30 years, there are 19-20 unarmed white people and 10-11 unarmed black people killed by police every year.
But heres some key things to consider.
Being unarmed doesnt automatically mean innocent. If someone punches a cop, then gets shot, they are still included in those unarmed police killing numbers. If they are reaching for a cops gun, they might still be counted as unarmed. If they are reaching into their own bag or pocket or under a car seat, they are still considered unarmed at least as far as the media is concerned.
Its true that white people are roughly 65% of the population while black are 13%. And, the number of white people killed are twice that of black people.
But the same stats that show that, also show that black people are disproportionately involved in violent crimes like theft, murder, rape, assault etc.
The problem though is lets assume BLMs claim is correct. That the society and police force at large is racist, and THAT is why only 2x as many whites are killed as black people despite whites being 5x as populous as blacks.
It still doesnt justify the behavior of only protesting to or donating to black victims.
If we are to live life by BLM logic, if it comes to, say, heart disease, we should first calculate the population sizes of each race affected by heart disease, then ask the question “which race is disproportionately affected by heart disease?”, and then ONLY donate to that one particular race. Since we are only supposed to donate to and assist the one race that is disproportionately affected by something, according to BLM.
As far as you or Romney being black supremacist, it comes down to your reasons for why you participated in a BLM protest. If youre aware that a multitude of races are affected by police violence or inter racial violence, and yet choose to only protest for one particular race, that indicates supremacist/racist views.
Heres the other thing. The same stats that show blacks are disproportionately affected by police violence… also show that theres more whites and latinos and asians being killed by black people, than the reverse!
So when it comes to inter racial violence, black people arent even the ones disproportionately affected by inter racial violence. Yet BLM still, in violation of their own supposed logic, protests for black people attacked by non black people, but never does anything for , a white person killed by a black person so on so forth.
Look at daniel mccraigs gofundme page.. i might have his name wrong but he was killed brutally by cops in a much worse scenario than george floyd. There were no national protests, his gofundme raised a measly 50k despite the event occurring years prior to Floyd.
Heres the other thing many pro BLM and pro affirmative action people fail to take into account…
Just because your population size is 5x that of another, it doesnt mean you have to be represented precisely 5x that of another in every part of life. That applies to the tech industry, politicians… the nba and nfl… and any other industry. It also applies to criminals.
So just because the population is say, 65% white, 13% black, 1% asian etc doesnt mean these numbers are going to be the exact makeup of the prison population, criminals, or anything else. There can sometimes be severe exceptions to those numbers holding true. An easy example is the nba or NFL or politics or the tech industry.
You can choose to only donate to and protest for a specific race, gender, religion etc. you have the right to do so, but thats because you have the freedom to be a racist. BLM was promoted by corporations, media, and society at large, so i certainly wasnt implying that everyone who went to a protest is a black supremacist. But there are very obviously people who have the full story, who are familiar with inter racial crime stats and police violence stats, and they still support BLM, and in those cases its highly likely they are black supremacist.
I mean this stuff runs deep. Theres literally people who even believe they are intellectually superior or physically superior or the original israelites or the original human race.
You even have BET awards and a television channel… what would people say if you had WET awards or a white celebrity only television channel…
As far as you or Romney being black supremacist, it comes down to your reasons for why you participated in a BLM protest. As far as you or Romney being black supremacist, it comes down to your reasons for why you participated in a BLM protest. If youre aware that a multitude of races are affected by police violence or inter racial violence, and yet choose to only protest for one particular race, that indicates supremacist/racist views.
@chunkychicano... My reason for participating was quite simple: I do believe we have an epidemic of police violence in the US. I was absolutely outraged by the senseless slaying of George Floyd. I further believe that black men are disproportionately affected by police violence.
I also understand it's not just black men affected. As you point out, the police unjustly kill white men too. However, the vast majority of the solutions participants in the movement advocated for would benefit everyone. Body cams on cops, everywhere. Independent review and data collection of all police shootings. Criminal charges for police who misuse deadly force. More de-escalation training for police, training in community policing tactics. Curtailing our growing paramilitarization of police forces. The list goes on, but all of these things would benefit EVERYONE, not just black men.
Finally, I'm skeptical on some of your claims about the data. I don't think a lot of the data you claim actually exists. To my knowledge, there is still no reliable data (federal or otherwise) on police shootings nationwide. reason.com
Half of Survey's Very Liberal Respondents Believe 1,000 or More Unarmed Black Men Killed by Police in 2019
The Washington Post database says the number was 12. The Mapping Police Violence database say the number was 27.
Also, way to use an article from eleven fucking years ago.
Gee, it's almost like things have happened--including a push for bodycams that I wholeheartedly support--since then.
This is what happens when someone obviously Googles and chooses the first article that fits their preconceived claim.
It isn't about Liberal or Conservative, really. It's about how we define eqaul access to resources and safety. There are some so called "Conservatives" that are not cool with people being brutalized. There are also a lot of so called "Conservatives" who buy all the fear mongering and "othering" ideas that cause us to move away from the concept of humanity.
@ronjax2 we do have the stats. Otherwise, if we didnt have the stats, than BLM wouldnt have anything to stand on to even support their claim of black people being disproportionately affected by police.
The word “black” is in their name…
I agree with you that bodycams are a good thing.. but theres not even a consensus on that among BLM because the group is decentralized like you said and contains a variety of opinions… some blm people dont like bodycams because they “make black people look bad”.
I wouldnt refer to Floyd as a senseless slaying. He had to be killed by either drug usage or the combination of the cops knee and drug usage. Its possible he swallowed his fentanyl stash before the cops came up to his vehicle. People have reenacted the restraint the cop used on floyd and it doesnt kill you even if done for as long as it was done there.
But regardless of examples like floyd, the group doesn’t just protest for and donate to police victims. They do so for any black people affected by non black people. I think the group actually started in response to george zimmerman and trayvon martin. George floyd protests were done eben though those cops were arrested after the floyd incident!
America is too soft on crime. Theres stereotypes on Muslims, yet supposedly theres no theft in saudi arabia, to the point people can leave their shops unlocked and unattended! A guy like george Floyd got a measly 4 years in prison for armed robbery, where he was housed and fed on taxpayer dollar!
And it doesnt end with floyd, there’s potentially millions of people in the US who think its perfectly fine to go around looting and robbing.
By the way my guess is anywhere from 30-70% of every demographic group is racist, and i dont think white people are at the high end there! We have things like BLM, BET, affirmative action which are all culturally accepted forms of racism, even state sanctioned racism
Malcolm X was in the Nation of Islam. Then he realized Islam was not compatible with animosity towards white people as a group. Then he was assassinated. Fred Hampton was a Panther. Then he started organizing with poor whites and Latinos. Then he was assassinated. MLK started focusing on issues that cut across racial lines, like lack of economic opportunity and the Vietnam War. Then he was assassinated. It shouldn't be assumed, that when black people organize primarily among themselves, it's about excluding white people. A lot of it is just the degree that there is still de facto segregation. It seems like lower-income people are even more segregated than people generally.
Malcolm X rejected the nation of islam and became a Sunni Muslim.
Assassinating community activists is what destroyed inner cities. The void left behind was filled by gangs and then the CIAs crack epidemic.... So the gov could make money to destabilize other countries and prop up right wing dictators while destroying the gains of the civil rights movement at home.
Im convinced the fentanyl epidemic is the same thing
@ilbbaicnl the problem with your concluding point is you cited a bunch of examples of people taking part in race segregated activities and then later not doing them.
So your argument is “BLM is black central now, but it will become more inclusive in the future” lol!
Can we say the same thing about white supremacists too..? Im sure theres been white supremacists who changed their tune over time for some reason…
Another problem with your argument is you cited specific individuals who changed their stance… but the nation of Islam and black panthers themselves continued to exist, and continued to remain racist organizations even after Fred Hampton or Malcolm X left them
So all youre really saying is that maybe some individual racists who are affiliated with BLM will perhaps change their tune over time
And the civil rights act is an over reach.
Even right now, you can list something on craigslist or ebay, and refuse to sell something to someone because you dont want to deal with their gender or race or religion or any other reason.
You can also refuse someone entrance to your home, or refuse to talk to them or be friends with them for the same reasons.
But if you own a small shop or storefront you cant do any of that even if you 100% own the business
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last commentI think the one silver lining of this dark catastrophe of a presidency is this:
We can stop pretending like the hatred of brown people has validity.
For years, I've heard: "I don't dislike immigrants, just the illegal ones." Though I disagree with the idea, it's fair at least. Maybe you're a stickler for the rule of law.
However, if that were true, these same people would be outraged at the illegality of Trump's attacks on immigrants and brown people in general. Deportations without hearings. The attempt to override the constitution by fiat. The unprecedented deployment of troops on US soil. The brutal arrests of US citizens, like this one theguardian.com
Yet, in the face of such reckless lawlessness, every Republican I know is unoffended. Which tells us a stone cold fact: It's always been about hatred of brown people, never about enforcing immigration laws.
The cruelty and hatred is the point. Once you understand that, you can make sense of why we would deny a fucking little league team the right to enter the country.
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"....Gigantic Assholes"
I find hard core conservatives to have very TIGHT assholes....like clenched up. That's why they're full of shit.
Just look up Gumaman and skinbung's comments over the years as evidence.
Puddy, not so much.....he likes to take a quorum from all of us, thus a stretched anal sphincter.
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LIB COPE SQUAD IN THE HIZZZOUSE!!!
The collective Lib Cope Squad penis size is probably around that of a large mouse's.
...but yeah, a little league team as national security risk? That doesn't make any sense.
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MAGAtards are just emboldened bigots and neonazis. Maga validates them
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20 years ago MAGA would have been seen as a hate group or domestic terrorist group after january 6. Regression is dangerous
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I wish nothing but sadness, misfortune, pain and sorrow on all progressives.
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Icey once again, you dont have an actual clear, objective definition of what a terrorist group is… ive seen people argue that its not terrorism for BLM protesters to destroy buildings and burn businesses because they need to unleash their anger… but also say white supremacist groups are terrorists even if they only march around displaying nazi and confederate flags
Jan 6 was bad… but not so much compared to the BLM affiliated protests
And no, just because a white guy at some BLM protests was burning things up, doesnt mean it was an undercover cop or government agent lol
And if you genuinely believe the government and police were the ones burning stuff down in protests, then why condemn Jan 6 at all? Lol
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Icey you’ve also said all politicians and cops are evil and corrupt just like @georgmicrodong. So according to you guys the Jan 6 people were all superheroes? I mean you cant have it both ways, its not like they targeted target walmart and small businesses like the BLM guys.
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@chunkychicano / Rick... I think your view of BLM is fundamentally flawed.
That was a movement, not an organization. Though some communist grifters did create a website and organization around the movement (ex post facto), that shitty organization does not represent the people who supported the movement. The people who supported BLM is a broad and diverse array of individuals and even included Mitt Fucking Romney. cnn.com
The movement was LARGELY peaceful and non-violent, in spite of the fact that CNN and FOX managed to setup and film in front of every single incident of vandalism or arson. Opportunists, anarchocommunists and ulta right wing nationalist nutjobs were largely responsible for the looting and arson that did occur. The violence and looting was condemned widely by Dems and GOP alike. And it also all occurred during the pandemic, at a time where EVERYONE in the country was operating on a very short fuse.
In contrast, the J6 rally was organized by the Trump campaign. Trump spoke at it. He told people to march on the capital (even said he would join them, but he is a pussy so he didn't.)
I just don't think you can remotely compare the two things.
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^ LOL. Tell the "movement for black lives" that. BLM was a grift to con money out of stupid rich white liberals and use it to buy real estate.
Libs like @RonJax2 like to pretend BLM is at once everything and nothing in order to dodge accountability for anything it does. Hence why they excuse vandalism and arson as a few bad apples (or even "ultra right wing nationalists...LOL!") driven mad by the pandemic, and overrepresented in the media (wait, the same CNN that tried to justify it as "fiery but mostly peaceful"?), yet Jan 6 (still in the pandemic) represents the entirety of the conservative movement. Mitt Romney? LOL, Romney has no principles whatsoever. Find a better across-the-aisle spokesman, bro.
It's a fact that the worst someone does disproportionately impacts their reputation. Most days of his life, Ted Bundy wasn't raping and murdering coeds. Do we say he lived a LARGELY non-serial-killery life?
But you're right that we can't compare the two. You'd need almost 20,000 Jan 6's to get the amount of damage inflicted by the BLM riots.
Thankfully, sanity has broken out since November 2024.
We don't have to pretend morbid obesity is attractive.
We don't have to pretend that self-discipline, punctuality, and hard work are "acting white" and therefore harmful to minority communities.
We don't have to pretend the truth is determined by the victim status of the speaker rather than the truth of the content.
We don't have to pretend there are infinite genders that can be swapped at will and MTF MMA fighters should be punching born women's lights out.
We don't have to pretend it's a civil rights violation not to put out litter boxes for cat-identifying middle schoolers.
We don't have to pretend that illegal immigration is victimless, or even salutary.
Libtards, sit and spin!
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Bondi has the proof on her desk that Little League is run by Antifa.
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@RonJax2 yes.. as far as supporters of the BLM movement, theres multiple types of supporters. I know that some of the supporters are likely doing it because its trendy or because their friends are doing it. Its possible that even the majority of the supporters are just people doing it because its trendy and their friends are doing it.
But BLM started because of the idea that black people were disproportionately affected by police violence relative to their population size.
But then they started addressing even non police related incidents that involved black people. And, they went out of their way to protest for each individual black person that was in some way negatively affected by police or a non black person.
That is fundamentally racist and the same thing as setting up a homeless group, cancer group, drunk driving group etc but only for a specific race of people.
As far as the BLM protests having right wingers and opportunists present that could be possible but then the same could be said about Jan 6 or any right wing affiliated protests. Any protest at any location can always have a mix of people present.
BLM happens to be a black supremacist group that has followers of a variety of a different races. For similar reasons if you go to any middle/high school or even university, youll find white people, latino people even asians and indians who speak like theyre from the hood and even call each other “nigga”.
Its not as socially unacceptable to be a black supremacist as a white supremacist. But theyre still morally, ethically, the exact same thing.
Thats why if you see videos of for instance target stores in these big cities being looted… a lot of the people doing that looting were black and latino people.
You could say maybe they voted on the right or were nationalists… but they wouldnt be affiliated with the white supremacists. Nor do I buy the argument that the government specifically went out and hired black and latin people to loot and destroy in those protests.
Also, Biden and Kamala, and like you said evej Mitt Romney and some GOPers, proudly supported BLM.
I dont see Trump supporting Jan 6ers as the equivalent. MAGA has some people who are anti immigrant, but its not explicitly racist the way BLM is. When Biden, Obama and others support BLM that would be the equivalent of Trump openly voicing support for neonazis and white supremacist groups!
Also as far as “terrorist group” the term is used extremely loosely these days. Theres no real objective calculations done to see, for example, what % of trump voters engage in terrorism vs what % of biden voters do, or what % of the proud boys did xyz or what % of BLM did xyz.
But we know that at least SOME BLM people did engage in terroristic acts like looting and destroying businesses. So based on popular logic, BLM meets the standard of being a terrorist group. I would say it especially and easily meets that standard, considering many BLM supporters themselves claim that hate speech is terrorism. If hate speech is terrorism, than burning businesses and looting is something even worse than terrorism…
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Right, do you disagree that this is (or was) the case @chunkychicano? Unfortunately, we have very little data on police shootings, which is a problem itself. But to me it seems accurate that black americans (men in particular) are subjected to harsher and more violent treatment from the police.
Who is the "they" here? Again, it was a movement that a broad array of people participated in. Do you consider Mitt Romney to be a Black supremacist? Hell, I went out and marched for Black Lives in 2021, am I a black supremacist?
Again, BLM, the organization, is a bunch of commie grifters. What they did doesn't reflect on all the participants in the movement.
Totally agreed. The legal concept for a "terrorist organization" was created in the early aughts post 9/11. Personally, I had huge problems with it at the time, it massively amplified executive authority and curtailed numerous individual liberties. I have huge problems with it to this day.
Just wait until the shitstorm that's going to happen once Trump starts bombing Culiacán or Juarez, with no oversight, now that he's put several cartels on the terror list.
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@ronjax2 we have all the data for at least the past 35 years.
The data shows that every year, for about the past 30 years, there are 19-20 unarmed white people and 10-11 unarmed black people killed by police every year.
But heres some key things to consider.
Being unarmed doesnt automatically mean innocent. If someone punches a cop, then gets shot, they are still included in those unarmed police killing numbers. If they are reaching for a cops gun, they might still be counted as unarmed. If they are reaching into their own bag or pocket or under a car seat, they are still considered unarmed at least as far as the media is concerned.
Its true that white people are roughly 65% of the population while black are 13%. And, the number of white people killed are twice that of black people.
But the same stats that show that, also show that black people are disproportionately involved in violent crimes like theft, murder, rape, assault etc.
The problem though is lets assume BLMs claim is correct. That the society and police force at large is racist, and THAT is why only 2x as many whites are killed as black people despite whites being 5x as populous as blacks.
It still doesnt justify the behavior of only protesting to or donating to black victims.
If we are to live life by BLM logic, if it comes to, say, heart disease, we should first calculate the population sizes of each race affected by heart disease, then ask the question “which race is disproportionately affected by heart disease?”, and then ONLY donate to that one particular race. Since we are only supposed to donate to and assist the one race that is disproportionately affected by something, according to BLM.
As far as you or Romney being black supremacist, it comes down to your reasons for why you participated in a BLM protest. If youre aware that a multitude of races are affected by police violence or inter racial violence, and yet choose to only protest for one particular race, that indicates supremacist/racist views.
Heres the other thing. The same stats that show blacks are disproportionately affected by police violence… also show that theres more whites and latinos and asians being killed by black people, than the reverse!
So when it comes to inter racial violence, black people arent even the ones disproportionately affected by inter racial violence. Yet BLM still, in violation of their own supposed logic, protests for black people attacked by non black people, but never does anything for , a white person killed by a black person so on so forth.
Look at daniel mccraigs gofundme page.. i might have his name wrong but he was killed brutally by cops in a much worse scenario than george floyd. There were no national protests, his gofundme raised a measly 50k despite the event occurring years prior to Floyd.
Heres the other thing many pro BLM and pro affirmative action people fail to take into account…
Just because your population size is 5x that of another, it doesnt mean you have to be represented precisely 5x that of another in every part of life. That applies to the tech industry, politicians… the nba and nfl… and any other industry. It also applies to criminals.
So just because the population is say, 65% white, 13% black, 1% asian etc doesnt mean these numbers are going to be the exact makeup of the prison population, criminals, or anything else. There can sometimes be severe exceptions to those numbers holding true. An easy example is the nba or NFL or politics or the tech industry.
You can choose to only donate to and protest for a specific race, gender, religion etc. you have the right to do so, but thats because you have the freedom to be a racist. BLM was promoted by corporations, media, and society at large, so i certainly wasnt implying that everyone who went to a protest is a black supremacist. But there are very obviously people who have the full story, who are familiar with inter racial crime stats and police violence stats, and they still support BLM, and in those cases its highly likely they are black supremacist.
I mean this stuff runs deep. Theres literally people who even believe they are intellectually superior or physically superior or the original israelites or the original human race.
You even have BET awards and a television channel… what would people say if you had WET awards or a white celebrity only television channel…
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@chunkychicano... My reason for participating was quite simple: I do believe we have an epidemic of police violence in the US. I was absolutely outraged by the senseless slaying of George Floyd. I further believe that black men are disproportionately affected by police violence.
I also understand it's not just black men affected. As you point out, the police unjustly kill white men too. However, the vast majority of the solutions participants in the movement advocated for would benefit everyone. Body cams on cops, everywhere. Independent review and data collection of all police shootings. Criminal charges for police who misuse deadly force. More de-escalation training for police, training in community policing tactics. Curtailing our growing paramilitarization of police forces. The list goes on, but all of these things would benefit EVERYONE, not just black men.
Finally, I'm skeptical on some of your claims about the data. I don't think a lot of the data you claim actually exists. To my knowledge, there is still no reliable data (federal or otherwise) on police shootings nationwide. reason.com
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Half of Survey's Very Liberal Respondents Believe 1,000 or More Unarmed Black Men Killed by Police in 2019
The Washington Post database says the number was 12. The Mapping Police Violence database say the number was 27.
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Also, way to use an article from eleven fucking years ago.
Gee, it's almost like things have happened--including a push for bodycams that I wholeheartedly support--since then.
This is what happens when someone obviously Googles and chooses the first article that fits their preconceived claim.
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Believing that black men shouldnt be murdered by police isnt a controversial topic and doesnt need to be debated.
Todays maga is basically a republican version of Hitlers brown shirts
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It isn't about Liberal or Conservative, really. It's about how we define eqaul access to resources and safety. There are some so called "Conservatives" that are not cool with people being brutalized. There are also a lot of so called "Conservatives" who buy all the fear mongering and "othering" ideas that cause us to move away from the concept of humanity.
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"Mitt Romney? LOL, Romney has no principles whatsoever. Find a better across-the-aisle spokesman, bro."
Yes! Donald Trump clearly has more principles than Mitt Romney.
"What's the difference between a moron and a mormon? A little m.
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@RonJax2 cited Romney, not Trump.
Focus, man. Stay on topic.
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@ronjax2 we do have the stats. Otherwise, if we didnt have the stats, than BLM wouldnt have anything to stand on to even support their claim of black people being disproportionately affected by police.
The word “black” is in their name…
I agree with you that bodycams are a good thing.. but theres not even a consensus on that among BLM because the group is decentralized like you said and contains a variety of opinions… some blm people dont like bodycams because they “make black people look bad”.
I wouldnt refer to Floyd as a senseless slaying. He had to be killed by either drug usage or the combination of the cops knee and drug usage. Its possible he swallowed his fentanyl stash before the cops came up to his vehicle. People have reenacted the restraint the cop used on floyd and it doesnt kill you even if done for as long as it was done there.
But regardless of examples like floyd, the group doesn’t just protest for and donate to police victims. They do so for any black people affected by non black people. I think the group actually started in response to george zimmerman and trayvon martin. George floyd protests were done eben though those cops were arrested after the floyd incident!
America is too soft on crime. Theres stereotypes on Muslims, yet supposedly theres no theft in saudi arabia, to the point people can leave their shops unlocked and unattended! A guy like george Floyd got a measly 4 years in prison for armed robbery, where he was housed and fed on taxpayer dollar!
And it doesnt end with floyd, there’s potentially millions of people in the US who think its perfectly fine to go around looting and robbing.
By the way my guess is anywhere from 30-70% of every demographic group is racist, and i dont think white people are at the high end there! We have things like BLM, BET, affirmative action which are all culturally accepted forms of racism, even state sanctioned racism
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Malcolm X was in the Nation of Islam. Then he realized Islam was not compatible with animosity towards white people as a group. Then he was assassinated. Fred Hampton was a Panther. Then he started organizing with poor whites and Latinos. Then he was assassinated. MLK started focusing on issues that cut across racial lines, like lack of economic opportunity and the Vietnam War. Then he was assassinated. It shouldn't be assumed, that when black people organize primarily among themselves, it's about excluding white people. A lot of it is just the degree that there is still de facto segregation. It seems like lower-income people are even more segregated than people generally.
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Malcolm X rejected the nation of islam and became a Sunni Muslim.
Assassinating community activists is what destroyed inner cities. The void left behind was filled by gangs and then the CIAs crack epidemic.... So the gov could make money to destabilize other countries and prop up right wing dictators while destroying the gains of the civil rights movement at home.
Im convinced the fentanyl epidemic is the same thing
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@ilbbaicnl the problem with your concluding point is you cited a bunch of examples of people taking part in race segregated activities and then later not doing them.
So your argument is “BLM is black central now, but it will become more inclusive in the future” lol!
Can we say the same thing about white supremacists too..? Im sure theres been white supremacists who changed their tune over time for some reason…
Another problem with your argument is you cited specific individuals who changed their stance… but the nation of Islam and black panthers themselves continued to exist, and continued to remain racist organizations even after Fred Hampton or Malcolm X left them
So all youre really saying is that maybe some individual racists who are affiliated with BLM will perhaps change their tune over time
And the civil rights act is an over reach.
Even right now, you can list something on craigslist or ebay, and refuse to sell something to someone because you dont want to deal with their gender or race or religion or any other reason.
You can also refuse someone entrance to your home, or refuse to talk to them or be friends with them for the same reasons.
But if you own a small shop or storefront you cant do any of that even if you 100% own the business
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Hitler was a socialist, just like the present day democrats.
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Malcolm X was a pig, but not a pedophile like Mohammed.
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