Wow, you really know fuckall about the reasons for a strong vs weak dollar, and that currencies are specifically engineered for different purposes.

Still bitter about not being able to afford or seduce non-illegal women?

Don't answer. Rhetorical question.

Buy gold, or silver, if you’re looking for a hedge, I’m not a fan of Mexican currency, they’ve devalued their currency in the past leaving a lot of people holding the bag

Puddy, so long as @Founder hasn't fixed the mute future to mute notifications, I'm forced to acknowledge the existence of your comments. I am not, however, going to both to unmute you to read because I already know what you have to offer: your comment is likely a venomous ad hominem attack with nothing to do with what I wrote in the OP. Maybe you called me an incel, maybe not, but either way, I'm certain you have nothing cogent to offer on the topic of the plummeting value of the dollar.

Anyway, keep at it. I appreciate you bumping the thread so that more people will see it.

I’m not a fan of Mexican currency

I'm not in earnest advising anyone to invest in Pesos or any other currency for that matter. Just using the Peso as absurd example of how badly our economy is flailing.

^ The ad hominem was the icing on the cake. Though it is pretty hilarious that you say that, given your fixation on inhaling Trump's penis and semen. Look, we're all mongers here, but some of us don't make all our life decisions based on it. If you stopped fixating on that, I might give you a break.

The dollar isn't "plummeting," it was a purposeful move to make American goods more attractive abroad.

Not the pwn you think it is. I'm fine with bumping everyone here taking a piece out of you.

Our economy is so bad that I am down to golf 8 times a month; strip clubbing 10 times a month; poker 10 times a month and eating great every day. Imagine if the economy was good lol. The fact the people I hate the most on earth (muslims, progressives and democrats) are upset is just the fucking icing on the cape. Anyone see that douchebag in Florida get his ass kicked by the cops? I cannot stop laughing.

RonJax2…. You speak facts

Who is the florida cop guy?

@chunkchicano what do you mean by "Florida Cop Guy"?

Meanwhile, in the real world, the S&P just hit another all-time record. I wish we could keep failing like this!

finance.yahoo.com

@ronjax2 maybe you have skibum blocked? He said “ Anyone see that douchebag in Florida get his ass kicked by the cops? I cannot stop laughing.”

"Anyone see that douchebag in Florida get his ass kicked by the cops? "

Wait, Trump isn't in DC right now? The cops didn't recognize the the level of douchebag they were dealing with?

OK Ron, stop, take a breath. Is a weaker dollar bad for all Americans? If not, who is it good for, and who is it bad for?

@chunkychicano Got it. Doesn't sound like I missed much as I'm not sure what Florida douchebags have to do with the plummeting value of the dollar.

Is a weaker dollar bad for all Americans?

@ilbbaicnl Yes, it's bad for all of us because we're all consumers at the end of the day. Everything from electronics to furniture to groceries and even housing are getting more expensive as the dollar plummets.

It is really bad for those of us who enjoy international travel. It's terrible for the multitude of companies with international supply chains.

It's great for:

• Other countries that import raw materials traded in dollars. The world basically gets a discount on our backs.
• A small handful of US based manufacturers without international supply lines. (Good luck finding one of these.)
• Foreign tourists and the American tourist industry, provided this administration doesn't fuck with Visas and tourism which it most certainly is doing.

At the end of the day - like most fucking government interventions - these tariffs have putrid side effects and will certainly not achieve their stated goal. No executive is basing 15-30 year capital decisions around a lame duck president's shitty policies.

The government needs to just stay the fuck out of trade and let people do business with whom they choose.

^ said the ass wipe who worships government interference in every other aspect of people's lives. Typical hypocrite: if they have to pay more its bad and fuck everyone else. I hope a weak dollar makes all americans stay home and spend money here on fellow americans, rather than the leeches we call allies and our enemies.

"At the end of the day - like most fucking government interventions"

Pretty rich coming from a hardcore lib!

At the time of my divorce 20+ years ago I had a collection of coins from many different countries including a lot of Mexican coins that were no longer in circulation. My ex took them when I wasn't looking and before any settlement. Before fighting her over them I contacted a coin dealer to see what the value of the Mexican coins might be. He told me they buy them by the pound. So I let my wife have them uncontested and have not acquired any more and don't plan to.

@Ron to consume, you need to have money. If your job depends on exports, or it depends on what you make having a competitive price with imports, then a stronger dollar is likely to mean you have less money.

If we don't make globalization work for everyone, we deserve the shithole of a country Trump will give us if he's allowed to. We've tried the extremist free trade approach, and it's fucked over a lot of Americans very badly.

At skidumb and puddy, I can't read your comments but I'm sure they're riveting and on topic. Alas, I'll have to plumb the rest of the internet for my daily dose of straw men dunked in vitriol.

I do appreciate you bumping the thread though 👍

^ I appreciate the ability to make a fool out of you and the LCS without any rebuttal.

Cry harder!

We've tried the extremist free trade approach, and it's fucked over a lot of Americans very badly.

This is a populist myth that simply isn't true.

Global trade is responsible for pulling more Americans, and more humans out of poverty than any other market force.

Americans are not getting fucked over by trade. We're getting $200 55" TVs and affordable homes. You would be hard pressed to find a single prominent economist who thinks trade hurts Americans.

No doubt, there are plenty of antiquated, lazy and unemployed idiots who have been convinced of this populist nonsense to the contrary. To them I would say: look down at your own fucking bootstraps and pull.

You asked if a weaker dollar is good for Americans,
If you’re invested in the stock market and we’ll diversified it’s good for markets and here’s why;
About 50% of the profits from US S&P500 listed companies come from abroad, the exact number varies from year to year. This means that when the dollar is weak these profits are higher when measured in dollar. This tends to push up profits in dollars. That is good for share holders and stock values

About 50% of the profits from US S&P500 listed companies come from abroad

@twentyfive Yes, that's probably a reason why the S&P is outperforming the DOW this year. (And also, the amazing tech revolution we're living through - which would have sent markets skyrocketing this year if not for this stupid fucking trade war.)

Anyway, what % of Americans are invested in S&P companies. 40%?

I'm one, and honestly a few extra percentage points on my portfolio doesn't do jack shit if everything around me is 40% more expensive for the next 4 years.

I think you have to be an extremely wealthy investor - like a cientomillionaire or better - to benefit from the declining dollar.

^ you asked a question I gave you one answer, if you look back through the threads from last week I actually elaborated on this topic, the correct answer to your basic question is it depends, a weak dollar or a strong dollar, it’s all perspective, if you’re a market focused guy there are benefits and detriments to both.
I’m far from a fan of Donald Trump and would vote for anyone else, but he won his election so don’t worry about it
Just like everything else in life your outlook is the biggest factor in the outcome. I’m in the market and retired, don’t worry about everyone else concentrate on yourself, if you’re as smart as you think you’ll find opportunities everywhere.
this is where I come to have a little fun and laugh about the things everyone is doing.

I'm just popping by because i figured this would be a shit show, and boy howdy was I right. You guys are fun.

he won his election so don’t worry about it

You're right @twentyfive. It's unfortunate but true. It's like we're all strapped into the same rickity 18th century rollercoaster.

@Ron do you think workers in China, Vietnam, Mexico, etc. have all the freedom they should, to do as well for themselves as they can? American workers are not in a free market unless their competition is in a free market. Have some basic decency, be more careful not to slander people.

Ronjax is literally a pussy, besides being a hysterical shrew.

@Ron do you think workers in China, Vietnam, Mexico, etc. have all the freedom they should,

No, they absolutely do not.

However, I'm absolutely convinced of the abudance of evidence that demonstrates that trade improves wages and living conditions in the developing world. And furthermore, it tends to have an effect of liberalizing developing nations too, thus improving personal as well as economic liberty.

Have some basic decency, be more careful not to slander people.

Who exactly have I slandered? Look, there are two types of populist idiots in the mix here:

• Ultra right-wing nationalists
• Ultra left-wing Marxists

I make no apologies for using the word idiots, because both groups are economically illiterate. It's the fucking same end of the horseshoe.

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Not all impacts are seen right away. There have already been more farm bankruptcies this year than last year. Amazingly farmers were stupid enough to vote for Trump despite him bankrupting them. Higher food prices will be coming because of this.

^ Filing that away with your Trump under 200 EVs prediction.

I'm convinced the Lib Cope Squad has a humiliation fetish.

@Ron, I see, so if US workers have to survive God knows how many decades of unfair competition, while foreign workers get their freedoms in a slow trickle, otherwise their whinny lazy bums.

You are slandering many of your fellow citizens, struggling in hollowed-out cites, with dozens of closed manufacturing plants.

@ilbbaicnl

I'm not engaging with your strawman here. If you want to argue with the points I'm making do so. Don't misrepresent my comments and expect me to respond.

You are slandering many of your fellow citizens, struggling in hollowed-out cites, with dozens of closed manufacturing plants.

Have you been to an American city lately Ilb? I travel quite frequently and the vast majority of american urban areas are booming. Loling even at those "dozens of closed manufacturing plants" which have been replaced with data centers and huge office buildings housing well paying jobs. That's the kind of prosperity trade brings.

I think if you want to bend my ear on this line of thinking, I'm open to agreeing that some rural areas are experiencing or have experienced what economists call "local import shock". Where you would lose me is in explaining how making everyone poorer will make such people better off.

Ilbbaicnl is a hardcore liberal, he is just playing devils advocate to troll lol

@Ron I said that US workers have unfair competition, and your best counterargument was well it's getting less unfair. So I said that's not good enough. Where's the straw man?

Have you been to any cities in Midwestern states that Trump won? By what metrics do you determine that a city is booming? It doesn't say much to say some jobs were lost and others were gained, with no ratios.

Past urbanization was probably inevitable, and more is probably inevitable in the near term. But the relative situations of different cities is less obvious. Why didn't cities in the Midwest get as many well-paid tech and finance jobs? Seems like there aren't enough of them to spread around. Why do people in service jobs that require minimal training do worse than people used to in manufacturing jobs that require minimal training?

For some of us to be better off because of foreign workers with limited rights is slavery-lite. Even if it's most of us. If it were all or nearly all of us, Trump would not be President.

I said that US workers have unfair competition, and your best counterargument was well it's getting less unfair.

No, I said wages and freedoms are improving in the developing world, and it's largely due to trade. I also contend that trade has improved American prosperity too.

I've said naught a word about "fair". Who the fuck would I be to to judge what's "fair"? Especially when we have the amazing power of the invisible hand to decide for us?

You're talking about trade like it's a zero sum game and it's not. Jobs created in Mexico do not mean jobs lost in the US, often it means the opposite - Mexico's rising prosperity means they can buy more goods from USA. A rising tide raises all boats.

Have you heard the pencil thing before? It takes like 6 different nations from around the world to make a single pencil. The graphite, clay, wood, eraser, aluminum fixture, petroleum varnish all have to come from different corners of the world. It's a miracle of commerce that you can buy one for like 33 cents.

Now imagine we're talking about something really complex like a computer or a car. Thousands of different factories and raw minerals plants from all over the globe need to work in synchronized chorus to a piece produce modern machinery - like the device your reading this on. And you want the government in charge of that delicate dance?!" To that I say:

NUTS

I like how Trump always brags about the stock market is at an all time high. Dude every president has all time highs in the stock market. Its like when the republicans kept saying consumer debt is at an all time high. Again dudes, consumer debt always goes up so every president has an all time high

I will just quietly smirk at your masturbatory activity of claiming I said things I never did, and then all caps big font nutting.

Adam Smith predicted that companies would get smaller so they could specialize in certain products in order to remain competitive. He understandably missed how issues of intellectual property would get much more complicated. Simple reliance on the invisible hand of free competition would likely work in such a world. But that isn't what happened. We'd need laws that forced patents to be licensed with some sort of consistency, with highly visible, hair splitting, and questionably feasible government regulation. Our reality is that large companies play a huge role in the modern economy. It's a fantasy that workers, negotiating individually with large companies are in a free market for their labor. So we need a meaningful minimum wage, and mandated benefits like medical care. Not a flawless solution, just the least bad one. Unions may be unavoidable too, even though they are generally at least as sleazy as corporations are. Seems like we need some combo of grants and loans to workers for retraining and relocation assistance. And it won't work to let employers do an end run, and offshore jobs to reduce worker compensation to miserable levels. With harmful externalities to society. As long as the world is divided into separate countries, I have no practical alternative to caring more about fellow Americans than I do people in China or Mexico.

^ I don't know what unions, patent laws, minimum wage, public benefits etc. have to do with the argument I'm making, or the point you're trying to make. I think you're just trying to move the goalposts because you can't argue with the fundamentals.

Trade is good. Tarrifs are bad.

Is RJ2 taking a paid job in Mexico as a shill for Mexican banks and hotels? I almost think he is now or will be an ex-pat living in Mexico.

Trade is good as long as it isn't being used to bypass worker rights and protections, and it doesn't make the country more vulnerable to adversaries. Tariffs and other trade barriers should only be used to keep workers in the middle class, and avoid relative strengthening of adversary companies.

In the case of Mexico, integration and close ties make sense, it creates a much more defensible perimeter. But they have to get on the stick and clean up their act. Rule of law, and accelerated wage growth and worker rights improvements to level up.

Yes, @minnow, you've figured me out! I'm actually the CEO of Banorte!

Or, hear me out, maybe you missed the comment where I acknowledged I'm not literally trying to pedal pesos, but rather trying to make a point about how poor our economy is faring under Trump's absurd trade wars.

"I'm just popping by because i figured this would be a shit show, and boy howdy was I right. You guys are fun."

@Klause 😂 In all seriousness, though, some of these conversations are incredibly fascinating. I read through many of them just to deepen my understanding of the people and the world around me...

^Hate to burst your bubble, but it is very rare to see someone's true personality on any website, let alone one dedicated to guys spouting bullshit. Further, even if you are seeing the true self of persons, it is impossible to read emotion and meaning in words, so things that might be said here that come across as horrible, might actually be incredibly funny when you add in voice tone changes, mimicry, facial expressions and hand gestures.
Thoughts on a bad economy: Its never bad for everyone and for those who do well, a bad economy is a godsend. Beginning to see bbbj for some dancers included as part of a cr.

^ I met one guy here F2F, he was cool but it was mostly us flashing peace signs and talking about how awesome Vivide was as we were getting dances.

If @RonJax2 and I were having this conversation F2F, I might be laughing uncontrollably. That's what I do, even talking politics, around overly wound-up, self-important, factless mental midgets.

Thanks for the bump Puddy Tat. 🙏 I thought this was a witty post and was hoping more people would read it today.

^ You mute and un-mute me more than professional wrestlers retire and un-retire. Happy to keep your foolishness on display to the world.

It's funny all you have to do is mute about 4 people and this site gets way more peaceful.

Crazy how miserable some of you fucks are on a site that's supposed to be about T&A. I wish your ex wives and estranged families well 😂

“ Beginning to see bbbj for some dancers included as part of a cr.”

Wasnt that already included for many dancers?

@Puddy_Tat dont know if ronjax is muting or unmuting, apparently even if you block someone, if they @ you, youll still get an alert notification with their name but wont see their actual comment when you click the alert

Correct Rick. Even though I have him on block I get notifications from Puddy if he comments on my threads or @mentions me, which he does frequently because he’s a creepy internet stalker.

@Founder - for the love of god, if you cannot find a way to set and enforce reasonable bar for decorum, please at least fix the block system.

^ @RonJax2 - thought you liked me bumping your thread, snowflake

This is the most TUSCL political thread ever.

Damn RONJax is a hypocritical pussy. He loves to talk smack to and about others, but if people talk smack about him he wets himself and whines like a little itch to Founder. Decorum? GFY loser.

Nothing says decorum like all caps boldface giant font screaming.

Do rickdugan and Puddy not get along? I would have thought that would be TUSCL's biggest bromance. Almost worth taking them off mute to rubberneck.

^ Rick and I have always been cool.
@RonJax2 can dish it out but can't take it. Crying to Founder?
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Smells like bitch in here!

RonJax2 has just passed 25IQ as the Whiny Little Bitch of the Forums. I do not know why you want that title, but you put in the work and can claim it with shame.

^ lidle boy sad, nobody’s paying you no mind!