Some of you guys take it to extremes. Economics and Politics. Take it to another site. This site is about strippers/strip clubs/sex. I don't give a shit about what drives strippers to do what they do. I just want them to keep doing it. I don't want to hear about GNP or if Hillary is going to get the nomination or not. I want to hear about your your experiences and expectations. Any body like cabbage rolls?
I believe I usually name a topic as such if it's not about dancers specifically. That way you don't even have to read it. I don't read everything posted on here.
Ok shadowcat, here's an analysis you'll probably like better.
Many years ago a dancer was alone with me and I had already consumed a few drinks. Then she whispered in my ear "I'm going to suck your ...."
I did a 3 second analysis of her statement. One was that one second was not enough time at that moment for me to do any analysis. The second thing I thought about was that she wasn't joking.
A very beautiful dancer a few months ago in an expensive VIP session, a non-regular asked me if I "was a control freak?" I just say no, as there was no reason to nuance the subject. However, I apparently do like at least, to control women to some degree and always have, Ok - except maybe when I used to be a "nice guy" years back. So the more info the better.
SC- No, I don't like cabbage rolls, but I'll take good buns over rolls any day of the week. Fave chicken pieces are breasts, thighs, and legs. And I always enjoy a pie for dessert!!
I've noticed that those women who say, "You're a control freak," or ask, "Are you a control freak?" generally are doing so without any overriding concerns within the context that would usually have indicated that such a comment were germane. In other words, their concerns over control-freaks come out of thin air. In other words, they carry those concerns with them to all their interactions, probably because of some previous experiences.
Similarly, I've noticed the people who say, "You think too much," or even those who ask, "How much thinking is too much?" often say those comments in contexts in which those statements aren't really germane. Usually what the comments mean is not, that there's a genuine risk of "paralysis of analysis." (Though sometimes that risk is indeed important to consider -- for example, a general on a battlefield amid fire-fight combat only has a limited amount of time to decide on tactical choices, and must not allow himself to hesitate. But usually we aren't involved in battlefield decisions when we're talking about these things.) Instead, usually what that comment indicates to me is, that the other person isn't following what I'm saying. I say something complicated but germane and intelligent and carefully thought out; they MISS it because of inattention, lack of intellect or education, or general inability of another sort; so they say, "Shut up you're making me feel stupid" but by means of other words than those. Those other words are, "You think too much."
Once in a blue moon I believe the "You think too much" admonition. Usually I simply understand it to mean, "I can't understand your thinking." And anyway, there's really no such thing as literally thinking "too much." You can think WRONG, and you can FAIL TO ACT because you have chosen to cease acting while sitting still in order to think more carefully. But neither of those failed thinking choices is literally thinking "too much." Rather, it's thinking with POOR constructs AROUND the thinking. A general on the battlefield (if he is adept) can think quickly, choose a right tactical choice, indicate it rapidly to his subordinates, and then continue to think about whether or not the choice was right (in order to forestall any of its potential but yet uncovered disadvantages, perhaps). That's thinking "more" than was necessary to make the choice, and therefore would be called "too much" by many people who never make it to general status.
Too much analysis ... ? No, can't be done. Wrong-headed analysis, or analysis that is fruitless, or analysis that is favored in such a way that it prevents timely action? Yeah, that's a mistake.
"This site is about strippers/strip clubs/sex." Did I miss something? Who decided that? I was under the impression it was about strippers and strip clubs. Where did the sex come from?
Seems to me an awful lot of things effect strippers and strip clubs, including economics and politics. IMO that's as relevant here and maybe more so than discussions about sexual conquests, even if the girl is also a stripper.
Seems to me that the only relevant criteria for what's appropriate here is whether or not people are interested in the topic. If they are it continues; if not it dies - after all no one is required to read a topic that doesn't interest them. Isn't that the way a board like this is supposed to work? So what's the problem?
"When you go to a strip club, you see the very best attributes of the stripper you're ogling. You see her curves and her implants, but you see none of her problems. You don't see her meth habit, her biker ex-boyfriend, the box of severed ears she keeps in her closet. But with your wife, you are familiar not with only the good, but with the bad. The very bad. And this is why men sometimes prefer strippers to their wives."
So for one part of your complaint I have a lot of sympathy. I really don't care why a certain stripper strips, or what she thinks of me, or customers in general, or how she picks her next boyfriend. I care about how she treats me in the club, the way I want to be treated preferably. On occasion I like to get to know a stripper a little better, socially that is, I always want to get to know a lot of strippers better physically. Those occasions where I've been interested in what a specific stripper thinks about me, or anything else for that matter, does with her spare time or plans to do with her life number about 6-8 over the course of a decade of clubbing. So I don't read a lot of posts that try to examine or determine the inner life of strippers or come up with a foolproof plan to date them. I skim them, then move on. I also skim posts about how many girls some guy fingered, or who got a BBBJTC or OTC and how many times and what they paid for it. Most of that information is useless to me, and not really interesting in a lot of cases. On occasion a good storyteller can make some of those posts fun or interesting.
As for where a discussion sometimes goes into politics, economics, philosophy, etc., that is rarely planned, and takes up virtually no space on the board in general, it is almost always a discussion between interested parties within a thread where a topic has evolved, so just don't read them, they're easy to spot and only a very few people post them.
"You don't see her meth habit, her biker ex-boyfriend, the box of severed ears she keeps in her closet."
I actually tend to meet alot of sweet as apple and pie type strippers - more like Thelma Lou from the Andy Griffith Show or the teacher Miss Landers on Leave it to Beaver. Now some might have a foreign accent, but they aren't on drugs, most don't drink, and for certain do not collect severed ear.
In fact I was quite surprised that there were that many women like this in this business, as the stories and reports written about strippers nearly alway focus in a different direction
There is one instance where I might overanalyze something to death. That is when I believe a girl or maybe dancer in this case has given me some strong hints or suggestions that she wants to see me later away from the club. If I haven't talked to her much about it and she was making the suggestions, I may start wondering what she has in mind. Just to go out to eat, talk, or more? Or is she just trying to pull my string thinking that will keep me interested in her inside the club and spend more money on her as a result. Well I know I don't like being stringed along too much. I might give someone a second and maybe even a third chance if their excuses sound good but after that, I didn't just fall off the turnip truck. Now some dancers and/or some girls, get alone with them for a split second and they're ready to jump your bones faster than you know what hit you. Put all that together and you really start wondering or analyzing things too much on occasion. Meet a girl in a bar and you start thinking, all she wants to do is have a possible one night stand and treat you like a sex object. Or would she get attached when I might not want to get too attached. Or what is her sexual history? I think I did overanalyze one girl away who I suspected just wanted to have sex. The only reason I even went into the bar that night was to play some video games and have a couple of drinks. My first clue that she liked me was when she started rubbing my legs. So of course I had to rub hers back a little bit. I guess I didn't analyze that part. Well actually I didn't overanalyze her away right away. I had a hangover in the morning and thought she lived 1 and 1/2 hours away and didn't feel like driving that so I didn't bother to call her.
"Or is she just trying to pull my string thinking that will keep me interested in her inside the club and spend more money on her as a result. Well I know I don't like being stringed along too much."
Sometimes it comes down to a question like this: has the strip business gone downwhill so fast and the stripper so desperate for new clients and regulars that they have to resort to absurd behavior OR is the stripper actually got a thing for the client. A few months ago I suggested how some strippers in effect can become the PL and the customer their target, its rare but it happens although its hard to know at first given that the business is getting slow
I think analysis of an individual stripper's behavior is largely a waste of time because most of them are neither rational nor calculating. For the most part they just do what they feel like doing without much thought at any given moment. We flatter ourselves when we think otherwise, we're rarely that important to them.
I don't have any interest in reading trolls and spammers, and I don't like having to skip over it to get to what I come here for, so I'd rather try to send them packing than see the board ruined. Same goes for seeing the board loaded up with repetitive bullshit that bores me in the same way. I consider that typing, not analysis. When I get sick of seeing it, I might ridicule it. (Something I refrain from with actual trolls, etc.) Maybe embarrassment will help it die sooner. Either way, it's more fun than skipping over them.
I thought of a good one in response to the "wanna dance?" question.
dancer "wanna dance?"
you: "well, let me see. I'm trying to stay on a budget. If I spent 8 dollars on cover, 10 on drinks, 20 on tips, and on and on, but that was at club xyz. Then I come here and spent 10 on cover, 15 on tips, etc. etc. and you keep going on. Then you say, then I have exactly 20 dollars left for dances but I only like to get two for ones. So if you do two for 20 it will be ok."
dancer "never mind."
The underlying subject matter after all is strip clubs, so no one is claiming to be Henry Kissinger analyzing american vs soviet responses and counter-responses to an imminent thermonuclear war.
So if you think its bullshit, just skip it. Its usually the critics and wannabe-bullshit-editors - that actually make the big deal out of these subjects
Yep, I was hallucinating. I saw a world where the "ignore" function meant people would have a choice to either use it, or quit complaining about other peoples posts. The real problem is that some people want to read the posts they like from certain posters, so they don't want to ignore the poster, but they hate having to look through the long posts, even while they are afraid to miss something, like an opportunity to express their opinion on a topic the other poster may raise.
AN, I agree. I don't think there's a single long-term regular poster here who hasn't made some comments that weren't strip-club related. We're all guilty. So how can anyone complain about it?
This is like the term "special interests" in politics. The term is meaningless because all interests are special. The only ones people complain about are the ones they don't agree with. It's silly.
So, don't complain about or make fun of other people's posts, because you say that's telling people to go away, which is bad? Except when you two are doing it? Gee, thanks, guys! I mean no, but thanks anyway.
Chandler, once again, it isn't always about you. This post however is. I see now that you were assuming my translation post was directed solely at you since it came right after your post. It wasn't. It was certainly prompted by your post echoing the original post by Shadowcat, but it was not solely directed at you. The followup post (hallucinating) was also a post about the discussion in general Again, prompted by your post but not exclusively about it. Although I agree that it looks like a direct reply since I referenced your post specifically the intent was to reply to the idea that I and others were somehow unreasonable to assume that people could choose to block the worst abusers, ignore the posts they don't find interesting, and go on posting and reading about what they like to discuss instead of complaining about what some others of us do like to discuss. Sorry, but I sometimes don't take the time to finely craft the prose. I sometimes just want to dash of a few lines, and even though I explicitly used the plural (people, they) as opposed to singular (you, he, chandler) you apparently assumed the post was meant solely and exclusively as a reply to your post. It wasn't. When I want to address someone in particular I always try to say so by starting the message with something like "Jane you ignorant slut". If there is no name it is nearly always directed to the discussion in general, and may reference several different people's posts. I will also sometimes name a poster if I wish to address one part of their argument in particular in addition to a more general comment on the discussion as a whole.
So let me go over the whole thing:
Me: "Translation: I don't like it when people post things I don't like"
This refers to several posters. Here are three examples of them saying in essence I don't like it when people post things that bore me.
Shadowcat: "I don't give a shit about what drives strippers to do what they do. I just want them to keep doing it. I don't want to hear about GNP or if Hillary is going to get the nomination or not. I want to hear about your your experiences and expectations. "
ShotDisc: "Amen Shadow! leave the longwinded pontifications to the politicians and other sites."
Chandler: "Same goes for seeing the board loaded up with repetitive bullshit that bores me in the same way. I consider that typing, not analysis." which refers back to "I don't like having to skip over it to get to what I come here for."
Me: "...so I tell them they should only post about stuff I find interesting or go away."
Again, this is referring to a number of posts about multiple posters wanting people to either stay on the topics they like or leave, and here are some examples.
Shadowcat: "Take it to another site. This site is about strippers/strip clubs/sex"
ShotDisc: "Amen Shadow! leave the longwinded pontifications to the politicians and other sites."
Chandler: "...so I'd rather try to send them packing than see the board ruined."
In the future I will make every effort to be certain that in addition to naming specific posters and quoting the specific passage I am referring to in all cases where I wish to take issue with someone's opinion or statements that I also break down all my general arguments thusly so that nobody gets the mistaken impression that I am misrepresenting them.* Is that explicit enough? Sadly this will make all my posts extremely long and detailed, but I guess that is the price we must pay to make sure no individual poster (this refers not just to you chandler, just mostly to you) feels he is misrepresented or falsely accused.
* I won't really. This passage should be read, dripping with irony.
P.S. The post "No chandler, I'm telling you you are wrong, I'm not complaining about your post. Totally different." was also meant as a quick dashed off joke. So much as I hate the practice I will now include either the appropriate emoticon or one of the ubiquitous "hee hee", "Heh", "LOL", or "ROTFLMAO" abbreviations that indicate a joke.**
AN, I have the same problem, I'm always amazed when guys here take me seriously when I'm being sarcastic or talking with tongue firmly planted in cheek. So, much as I dislike them, I too now sometimes resort to an "LOL" or emoticon.
And I also note with considerable humor that the person who started this thread recently started another that is completely off topic. So I guess off-topic posts are OK as long as we avoid any mention of politics or economics. (Sarcasm alert.)
Shadowcat. You posted "Any one like Okra?". My reply to you, shadowcat follows.
In gumbo.*
*This should not be presumed to presuppose that the respondent dislikes okra or has any official position on the taste, nutritional value, use, like, or dislike of okra by others. All interpretations of the respondent's opinions on okra are by this rider limited to the respondent's "liking" okra when served in gumbo. Gumbo, for the purposes of this post is presumed to mean the common understanding of gumbo, the traditional Creole stew of chicken and andoulli sausage, but gumbo may include, but is not limited to any of the following additional ingredients; crawfish, shrimp, scallops, clams, lobster, alligator, and/or other sausage, fowl, shellfish, or seafood in general in addition to the presumed minimal ingredients of stock (chicken, fish, shrimp or others), peppers, onions, okra, celery, salt, pepper, cayenne pepper, file powder and roux (a mixture of oil and/or butter and flour cooked to a thick consistency to be used as a thickening agent). The aforementioned is not in any way intended to limit the definition or classification of gumbo by others in any way whatsoever. All persons and events portrayed in this post are entirely fictional, except shadowcat, and the respondent's affinity for gumbo. Any resemblance to any person or event is purely coincidental, except for shadowcat and the respondent enjoying gumbo.
Shadowcat, my posts are usually pretty short too, except when someone misconstrues what I'm trying to say. Then a longer explanation is sometimes called for if I feel like it.
And sometimes I like to do a little innocent kidding too when something tickles my funny bone.
AN, thanks for supplying us with the answer to the thread's title question. I think you can both relax and not worry too much about being taken seriously. FONDL, you keep saying you have that problem right after I've replied flippantly to one of your too-earnest-for-this-world sentiments. Any particular reason why?
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Many years ago a dancer was alone with me and I had already consumed a few drinks. Then she whispered in my ear "I'm going to suck your ...."
I did a 3 second analysis of her statement. One was that one second was not enough time at that moment for me to do any analysis. The second thing I thought about was that she wasn't joking.
Hmmm............Let me think about it.
Similarly, I've noticed the people who say, "You think too much," or even those who ask, "How much thinking is too much?" often say those comments in contexts in which those statements aren't really germane. Usually what the comments mean is not, that there's a genuine risk of "paralysis of analysis." (Though sometimes that risk is indeed important to consider -- for example, a general on a battlefield amid fire-fight combat only has a limited amount of time to decide on tactical choices, and must not allow himself to hesitate. But usually we aren't involved in battlefield decisions when we're talking about these things.) Instead, usually what that comment indicates to me is, that the other person isn't following what I'm saying. I say something complicated but germane and intelligent and carefully thought out; they MISS it because of inattention, lack of intellect or education, or general inability of another sort; so they say, "Shut up you're making me feel stupid" but by means of other words than those. Those other words are, "You think too much."
Once in a blue moon I believe the "You think too much" admonition. Usually I simply understand it to mean, "I can't understand your thinking." And anyway, there's really no such thing as literally thinking "too much." You can think WRONG, and you can FAIL TO ACT because you have chosen to cease acting while sitting still in order to think more carefully. But neither of those failed thinking choices is literally thinking "too much." Rather, it's thinking with POOR constructs AROUND the thinking. A general on the battlefield (if he is adept) can think quickly, choose a right tactical choice, indicate it rapidly to his subordinates, and then continue to think about whether or not the choice was right (in order to forestall any of its potential but yet uncovered disadvantages, perhaps). That's thinking "more" than was necessary to make the choice, and therefore would be called "too much" by many people who never make it to general status.
Too much analysis ... ? No, can't be done. Wrong-headed analysis, or analysis that is fruitless, or analysis that is favored in such a way that it prevents timely action? Yeah, that's a mistake.
Seems to me an awful lot of things effect strippers and strip clubs, including economics and politics. IMO that's as relevant here and maybe more so than discussions about sexual conquests, even if the girl is also a stripper.
Seems to me that the only relevant criteria for what's appropriate here is whether or not people are interested in the topic. If they are it continues; if not it dies - after all no one is required to read a topic that doesn't interest them. Isn't that the way a board like this is supposed to work? So what's the problem?
"When you go to a strip club, you see the very best attributes of the stripper you're ogling. You see her curves and her implants, but you see none of her problems. You don't see her meth habit, her biker ex-boyfriend, the box of severed ears she keeps in her closet. But with your wife, you are familiar not with only the good, but with the bad. The very bad. And this is why men sometimes prefer strippers to their wives."
So for one part of your complaint I have a lot of sympathy. I really don't care why a certain stripper strips, or what she thinks of me, or customers in general, or how she picks her next boyfriend. I care about how she treats me in the club, the way I want to be treated preferably. On occasion I like to get to know a stripper a little better, socially that is, I always want to get to know a lot of strippers better physically. Those occasions where I've been interested in what a specific stripper thinks about me, or anything else for that matter, does with her spare time or plans to do with her life number about 6-8 over the course of a decade of clubbing. So I don't read a lot of posts that try to examine or determine the inner life of strippers or come up with a foolproof plan to date them. I skim them, then move on. I also skim posts about how many girls some guy fingered, or who got a BBBJTC or OTC and how many times and what they paid for it. Most of that information is useless to me, and not really interesting in a lot of cases. On occasion a good storyteller can make some of those posts fun or interesting.
As for where a discussion sometimes goes into politics, economics, philosophy, etc., that is rarely planned, and takes up virtually no space on the board in general, it is almost always a discussion between interested parties within a thread where a topic has evolved, so just don't read them, they're easy to spot and only a very few people post them.
I actually tend to meet alot of sweet as apple and pie type strippers - more like Thelma Lou from the Andy Griffith Show or the teacher Miss Landers on Leave it to Beaver. Now some might have a foreign accent, but they aren't on drugs, most don't drink, and for certain do not collect severed ear.
In fact I was quite surprised that there were that many women like this in this business, as the stories and reports written about strippers nearly alway focus in a different direction
Sometimes it comes down to a question like this: has the strip business gone downwhill so fast and the stripper so desperate for new clients and regulars that they have to resort to absurd behavior OR is the stripper actually got a thing for the client. A few months ago I suggested how some strippers in effect can become the PL and the customer their target, its rare but it happens although its hard to know at first given that the business is getting slow
dancer "wanna dance?"
you: "well, let me see. I'm trying to stay on a budget. If I spent 8 dollars on cover, 10 on drinks, 20 on tips, and on and on, but that was at club xyz. Then I come here and spent 10 on cover, 15 on tips, etc. etc. and you keep going on. Then you say, then I have exactly 20 dollars left for dances but I only like to get two for ones. So if you do two for 20 it will be ok."
dancer "never mind."
So if you think its bullshit, just skip it. Its usually the critics and wannabe-bullshit-editors - that actually make the big deal out of these subjects
This is like the term "special interests" in politics. The term is meaningless because all interests are special. The only ones people complain about are the ones they don't agree with. It's silly.
So let me go over the whole thing:
Me: "Translation: I don't like it when people post things I don't like"
This refers to several posters. Here are three examples of them saying in essence I don't like it when people post things that bore me.
Shadowcat: "I don't give a shit about what drives strippers to do what they do. I just want them to keep doing it. I don't want to hear about GNP or if Hillary is going to get the nomination or not. I want to hear about your your experiences and expectations. "
ShotDisc: "Amen Shadow! leave the longwinded pontifications to the politicians and other sites."
Chandler: "Same goes for seeing the board loaded up with repetitive bullshit that bores me in the same way. I consider that typing, not analysis." which refers back to "I don't like having to skip over it to get to what I come here for."
Me: "...so I tell them they should only post about stuff I find interesting or go away."
Again, this is referring to a number of posts about multiple posters wanting people to either stay on the topics they like or leave, and here are some examples.
Shadowcat: "Take it to another site. This site is about strippers/strip clubs/sex"
ShotDisc: "Amen Shadow! leave the longwinded pontifications to the politicians and other sites."
Chandler: "...so I'd rather try to send them packing than see the board ruined."
In the future I will make every effort to be certain that in addition to naming specific posters and quoting the specific passage I am referring to in all cases where I wish to take issue with someone's opinion or statements that I also break down all my general arguments thusly so that nobody gets the mistaken impression that I am misrepresenting them.* Is that explicit enough? Sadly this will make all my posts extremely long and detailed, but I guess that is the price we must pay to make sure no individual poster (this refers not just to you chandler, just mostly to you) feels he is misrepresented or falsely accused.
* I won't really. This passage should be read, dripping with irony.
P.S. The post "No chandler, I'm telling you you are wrong, I'm not complaining about your post. Totally different." was also meant as a quick dashed off joke. So much as I hate the practice I will now include either the appropriate emoticon or one of the ubiquitous "hee hee", "Heh", "LOL", or "ROTFLMAO" abbreviations that indicate a joke.**
** Not really. :)
And I also note with considerable humor that the person who started this thread recently started another that is completely off topic. So I guess off-topic posts are OK as long as we avoid any mention of politics or economics. (Sarcasm alert.)
In gumbo.*
*This should not be presumed to presuppose that the respondent dislikes okra or has any official position on the taste, nutritional value, use, like, or dislike of okra by others. All interpretations of the respondent's opinions on okra are by this rider limited to the respondent's "liking" okra when served in gumbo. Gumbo, for the purposes of this post is presumed to mean the common understanding of gumbo, the traditional Creole stew of chicken and andoulli sausage, but gumbo may include, but is not limited to any of the following additional ingredients; crawfish, shrimp, scallops, clams, lobster, alligator, and/or other sausage, fowl, shellfish, or seafood in general in addition to the presumed minimal ingredients of stock (chicken, fish, shrimp or others), peppers, onions, okra, celery, salt, pepper, cayenne pepper, file powder and roux (a mixture of oil and/or butter and flour cooked to a thick consistency to be used as a thickening agent). The aforementioned is not in any way intended to limit the definition or classification of gumbo by others in any way whatsoever. All persons and events portrayed in this post are entirely fictional, except shadowcat, and the respondent's affinity for gumbo. Any resemblance to any person or event is purely coincidental, except for shadowcat and the respondent enjoying gumbo.
And sometimes I like to do a little innocent kidding too when something tickles my funny bone.