Is there a big difference beween a "John" and a "Simp"?

I am so resentful of the Red Pill propaganda making up all this nonsense about “simps” or “beta males”….where the heck are MY simps ready to kiss my ass at a moments notice? All I get are these useless freaking “hey” messages. Why can’t I have a bunch of dudes come over to do my laundry and vacuum the floor and change my car oil? 😡😡😡

A John is a guy who pays hoes for sex

Simp is a misused word. I think a simp is really like a "nice guy" who thinks he can buy women or thinks he's owed sex for acting nice to get it.

But it seems like it's used by broke bums incels and fuckboys to describe anyone who treats a woman they like well. It's idiotic to think that things like buying her dinner or giving her money to get her nails done or taking her shopping is simping. I think it only becomes wiping when he's being used and still goes along with it. But when it's in a normal relationship it's not simping

The amount of attention women get on social media and dating apps makes them think there's an army of men willing to do whatever they want and fulfill every instant gratification. Then they act on impulse and wonder why they get hurt.

It's easy to make a connection though. You need that initial spark that let's them stay long enough to form more of a connection. It comes down to how you make her feel. Yhe impression you make on her.

One thing I really hate js how being toxic is normalized and made out to be something cute. Like we're supposed to crave being dysfunctional. To the point where healthy relationships are portrayed as 😴

Boring

Shit.

Where the hell am I?????

Some people are doms and some are subs. It's also common the some people are typically doms, and subs with a few people. I've seen this a lot with many dancers, they are heartless and manipulative with PLs, but abused (at least emotionally) and submissive with their SOs. Somewhat strangely, it seems like people can switch off between dom and sub more easily than they can become someone who just looks for mutual respect and consideration. Dom chicks won't easily turn into subs, due to a lack of sub guys. That's why dom chicks use to be subject to stuff like gang rapes and witch burnings.

I was a "simp" in college. I had a friend who was much more successful in having sex with girls than I was. I asked him for his secret. He said if he wasn't getting anywhere with a girl he would drop her and move on to another girl. I would get infatuated with a girl and spend months trying to win her over. This was one of the many dumb things I did back when I was young.

The thing is to leave such an impression that they chase you. And its not just about sex. A girl who gets hooked on you without sex will never forget you. It comes down to your presence. It'll make your absence a void in her life

@doc I think ypu're oversimplifying. Very very few don juans have as much good sex as guys in a steady couple where both are really into each other.

Suppose you could go to a club and get, say, about a 20 minute lap dance, with the added feature that you'd get a happy ending with your fleshlight that you brought with. Dancers, does that still skeev you out, even with no contact with PL junk or bodily fluids? I'm guessing the cost would be in the $100 - $200 range typically. Especially if society had a less ridiculous attitude about "good" women doing any sort of sex work. I think I could have gone for long stretches with this as my only sexual outlet, even when I was young. So no need to end up buying real estate and making mini-mes with somebody, as the only way to have a hope of frequent, good nutting. As long as I'm not sexually frustrated, I don't feel like I'm a simp, nor care who does think I'm a simp. My general point is, it's not women who make simps of us, it's society's stupid, backwards mores.

A John spends money trying to get into a woman’s pants and succeeds. A simp spends money trying to get into a woman’s pants and fails

The Red Pill Manosphere stuff is non-sense.

A guy who thinks he is a Pimp when really he is a Ponce and a John is ridiculous.

SJG

You're saying it's easy for women to find men to have sex with. But that means it's easy for those men to have sex as well....

The real problem is men not staying in their league. Or going below it if they really want sex. Don't ever expect physically in a partner that you wouldn't expect in yourself standard wise.

And most women aren't really used to being treated well or having money spent on them. Social media lies.

IMO, a John pays for sex then goes on about his life until he's horny again. A Simp pays for attention then fixates and continues seeking validation and approval.

Icee is the definition of a simp, and SJG defines john.