OTC but only private dances or dates?

Maybe she just doesnt want to have sex with you. Some girls have limits afterall even for money.

You should very much assume that she's telling you the truth about her limits.

Generally speaking, when one negotiates an OTC encounter with a dancer involving a hotel room, the sex part is assumed unless she says otherwise. Every so often a girl might ask something like "and what are you looking for?" just to be certain and a simple "what do you think?" with a smile is sufficient to make the point, but most times it's just considered to be obvious. After all, why the heck else would a guy want to get a girl alone in a hotel room?

If she goes out of her way to let you know that this is not on the table, you'd better believe her. I'm guessing that she doesn't get many takers, but every so often a dupe will come along who is so smitten and/or naïve that he talks himself into believing that she's just being coy, or that he can bring her around, or that nature will take it's course once they are alone in the hotel, or etc., etc.

Now here in the Disneyfield world of TUSC there supposedly exists a population of guys who are actually willing to pay for LDs in a hotel room. But out here in the real world those guys are probably about as common as unicorns, which is precisely why there is never any confusion when I negotiate OTC.

Now there may exist a small population of guys who will pay for platonic dinner dates, but I suspect that this is not a thriving marketplace either. I also suspect that a healthy % of them also convince themselves that if they can just work the charm and alcohol at dinner then more could follow. LOL.

How you spend your money is entirely your call, but just go into it clear-eyed. As a rule of thumb, if a girl tells you that she's not going to fuck you and that's what you're seeking, you should take her at her word and move on.

They say it to make themselves look exclusive and like yhe trick is special and getting a good deal. A hoe won't mention otc and prices unless she does it

Omega do you think in those other examples, she actually didnt have sex with those guys and just did a private dance in a hotel room and dinner dates?

She does seem very careful and particular about some things like allowing touching of the pussy but no fingers inside it. Apparently due to bacterial concerns. But many dancers dont allow any pussy touching or taking pasties off

Apparently she has done private dances in hotel rooms before. And the thing is I initially asked her about otc and she was saying you have to pay a lot etc. when she was describing the prior otcs it was only when I asked her if she had sex she denied it said they paid her for time just to go out etc

Icey you think she does actually do full service in these OTCs? The thing is why would she deny full service occurring in these otc encounters. It seems like as Rick mentioned, maybe she doesn’t have sex in the otcs but some guys think they can get her drunk or Charm her into it. I cant believe some people pay just for someone to accompany them to a restaurant. Even paying for the restaurant bill is already too much. Its basically a free gift. Unless its like Friday or Saturday night then at least you can say she’s taking time off from stripping to be with you so she deserves some money.

Do you think dancers would be more open to doing otc with brand new toys than actual sex. Due to less risks involved, less intimate etc. maybe to some, using toys isn’t considered cheating the way real sex is?

I think she doesnt want me getting escorts cuz I might stop getting dances from her.

The pornstar escorts are apparently very safe for bbfs and bbbj but if they only require test results within the last 2 weeks there could be some risks involved

I am not really into sex much so lapdances are usually satisfying especially with pussy rubbing
But I would like to use toys especially anal plugs.

===> "Do you think dancers would be more open to doing otc with brand new toys than actual sex. Due to less risks involved, less intimate etc. maybe to some, using toys isn’t considered cheating the way real sex is?"

No, the opposite. It's one thing to eat her out or stick your penis in her pussy, which is quite plain vanilla in sexual terms, but quite another to be banging around her sensitive parts with plastic/rubber toys or looking to stick objects in her ass. That's next level stuff with many girls. Also IME even when girls are open to or offer it, they prefer to bring their own.

Instead of trolling here by posting tirades of obvious and inane questions. You can tell her what you want. Make her an offer kf how much you're willing to pay. And get your answer.

What Rick!

I was assuming that I could buy brand new toys for her or she could use her own! But why is that, i don’t understand. So they consider using toys like plugs and dildos to be more intimate and next level than putting your actual dick in her? I can’t believe it man. The toys if they’re new have no risk of disease and technically its not even cheating cause its toys.

I had been thinking for some time about using toys otc. You can name the toys and be like yeah you like that, you like Johnny stuffing that tight ass of yours!

If she's telling you no sex for you, I'd believe her. If she's saying she's willing to have sex with you but telling you she just dances for the other guys who see her OTC, I'd be highly suspicious.

^ I'm going to play along like you're not trolling, lol.

I'm assuming that you have little to no experience with women. Do you really imagine that fear of disease or "cheating" are really her biggest concerns once she's already stripped down naked and alone in a hotel bed with a guy while he uses sex toys on her? You don't think that her SO would consider that as cheating? 😂

Toys are next level because, unlike your little weiner, they can cause real damage if misused. Every girl's clit has a different level of sensitivity and each vagina and asshole has different characteristics too. Some girls can't use vibrators at all because it hurts while others need something with a Toro motor attached. Some have mild allergies or are prone to UTIs if the wrong things are stuck in their vaginas. Some don't lubricate as easily as others, making dry toys harder to use. Some have smaller assholes than others. I could go on.

Letting a guy fuck around down there with foreign objects often requires a certain level of trust. I've used toys from time to time with both civvie girls and OTC friends, but not before a history of more normal relations made them comfortable that I wasn't going to hurt them.

Dolfan I didn’t directly ask her. But do you think she is telling the truth and is only doing private dances and dinner dates with the other guys otc

Rick that makes sense
I was also thinking she could have her own toys and plug her ass, and i can assist her with taking it in and out. The dancers are already naked when in a private vip dance with you, you know? Isn’t cheating one of their main concern or issues with otc, other than physical or bacterial safety concerns. I thought cheating would be the main reason many of the dancers dont offer otc? Technically isnt using toys not cheating as much as actual sex with them? Just like vip dances aren’t considered cheating even though you’re grabbing boobs and pussy

What kind of toys have you used, any anal toys?

Dougster. Why don't you ask her how much and if she would. Instead of trolling here.

Icey the topic still has relevance not just to that specific woman but other ones. Its not just about her otc. I am not dougster

Rick, what if the woman brings her own toys and uses her own toys? And you only get to touch her boobs and ass and outside of the pussy just like in the strip club? That’s not cheating then is it, not cheating anymore than a regular lapdance except she just brought her toys and uses them in front of you?

Many dancers smack and play with their pussy during the dance anyway. What’s cheating or not may vary but it seems there are dancers who allow touching during the dance but think putting fingers or toys inside the pussy is cheating or a bacterial concern. In that case, if theyre using their own toys on themselves id imagine that would fit with their ideals of not cheating and concerns of bacteria, and you get to watch.

I have wanted to see a gaping ass for a long time, and don’t want to do anal so the only option is toys. And with the toys, if she uses the toys on herself that would be fine as well.

The answer is the same dougster. Tell her how much you're willing to pay and ask her if she'll do it. Repeating the question on here to troll is pointless

Icey repeating im dougster doesn’t make it true
Also you said on another thread that nicespice, sjg and other people wanted dougster to come back. Do you have proof or what did you mean by that

But you are right
Next time I will specifically ask how much she wants just to watch her use toys. And damn it, my heartrate is already rising

I've had three dancers tell me guys will pay them for a dinner date. When they did that, I had a feeling they were kind of bragging about it. That means it is unusual enough that most dancers don't get those offers and only a minority of strippers with the right combination of looks and personality manage it.

I've had a number of dancers show an interest in doing an unpaid dinner date. This is usually a situation where they see going to dinner as a way to maintain the interest of a regular or get a new regular. I've even had a dancer tell me she saw that as part of her job. The dancers who wanted to have dinner with me for free were only interested as long as I was their strip club regular. Once they left stripping, they showed no further interest in going out to dinner with me. I don't even maintain contact with any of my former regulars because to them I'm just another old guy they are not interested in now.

Docsavage that makes sense. Its still about money. But still, its better than paying for dinner. I can see the logic in paying her for dinner on like a friday or Saturday night since she’ll be away from work. But its just a wrong thing to do imo. The dinner itself may cost $100, $200 or more, and there’s likely many women who would accompany you to dinner, just for value of the free meal alone!

i know a dancer that only does lap dances when she meets up with a guy. her lap dance gets wilder than the dances in the club. She does a toy show, she is full nude and encourages the guy to jerk off while she fucks herself with a dildo.

two former GGR dancers got paid handsomely to go on dates with guys. dinner, shows, dancing but no sex. The guys wanted to show off and convince total strangers they have a really hot stripper girlfriend. Ten or twelve years ago, some guy had a blog about his dates with one of them.

That’s strange, all about the image not personal enjoyment
Why no sex?

"Why no sex?" I think you answered your own question with your first line 'all about the image"

I don't understand it but as long as they got what they paid for, who am i do argue?

What is GGR dancers? What were they doing after dancing, escorting?

'What is GGR dancers?" GOGO Rama, a club in NJ. frequently reviewed on this site. https://tuscl.net/listing.php?id=1696

"What were they doing after dancing, escorting?" - many while dancing

Yeah, I've gotten that story as well and the rates she claims she gets paid to just go out and hang out are stupid high. Much higher than I'd even pay if sex WAS on table. Makes me think it's big talk, but this dancer was VERY hot and was fun to hang with so maybe there are people dumb enough to do that <shrugs>. I personally can't see it.

I have had dancers that I was fucking OTC brag they had guys who would just buy them breakfast and give them cash. I let them go and do their things and picked them up later and fucked them again. LOL..

Rabbit maybe there’s some people thinking the dancers cant admit to doing sexual stuff or they think theyll be able to charm them into having sex. This dancer seemed honest at least with me. Not sure how she presented the offer to those other people who supposedly bought that deal.

It may just be a lie.

Max did you have to pay those dancers? How much?

I shouldn't have really called it OTC though it started that way. These were dancers from Cleveland...I had one as a SB for about a year and a half...But I would stay over her place and take her out to restaurants, shopping, and of course fucking nearly every day of the week. It was an interesting time. I used to give her ~3000 a month for while. But, sometimes she'd invite others dancers from the club, or have roommates and so I'd hear about it from all of them. They'd let me hang out while they drank and got high and I'd be there when guys would come once in a great while and I'd hear what they got paid and how the sex was...It was a unique situation.

Anyway, it wasn't often, but they did have a few guys who would just pay them to hang out and eat for gods sakes. One of the guys was developmentally slow I heard, but some of the girls were pretty unethical. Another time once I was staying at a hotel with the lot of them and I had to play bouncer to the ridiculously high guys they had brought back from the club. I guess they took money from these guys and gave them coke which is fairly common amongst certain girls in the industry so they didn't have to perform because when guys get to high from coke they can't get it up...anyway my job was to escort them to an uber and kick them out. Oh do I have stories.

Another time...my SB and her bff were staying at a hotel and introduced one of the customers of the club to crack cocaine and this poor guy was visiting the hotel every night after the club closed. He'd bring them some serious weight and give me some too. He'd hang out with the bff but supply us all with base. he'd even hide some in places and reveal it later the next day. I remember the manager chastising the girls for introducing him to the stuff. He probably blew through maybe $5000 in week and at most got oral from the bff. Meanwhile I was fucking and having anything I wanted and bff offered to fuck me for nothing lol.

What u mean hed bring them some serious weight? Who? Who supplied the base

I had a girl say that to me once. Until I offered her $10,000, then she changed her tune really fast.

Try it.

Im sure itll work its just too much
Id do 1-2k for a hot pornstar ig model

Although i have paid $600 for an hour vip a few times, which seems excessive if you just look at the mileage involved.