Interesting research from United Van Lines (moving company). Good read.
States people are moving to:
The top inbound states of 2021 were: (Ranked from highest to lowest - for some reason when I cut and pasted the numbers disappeared)
Vermont South Dakota South Carolina West Virginia Florida Alabama Tennessee Oregon Idaho Rhode Island
The top outbound states for 2021 were:
New Jersey Illinois New York Connecticut California Michigan Massachusetts Louisiana Ohio Nebraska
This looks like it's more percentage based just cause I don't see Texas. I prefer raw numbers number honestly. If vermont adds 1,000 people it's a big deal. California probably lost that as I typed this.
I see this happening in my area, and the states listed do not surprise me. As the population ages, folks will move out of the states that have a higher tax basis, and migrate to states with a more advantageous tax situation. New York, New Jersey and Connecticut can be tax heavy states, and California is also rough on the wallet.
I like the weather in South Carolina and Florida, and I like the reasonable price of waterfront property as well. I have dealt with the crazy property taxes in NJ for a long time, and I won’t mind buying a much larger home, and having much lower property taxes.
Certain states are good places to make good money, but once you have a decent amount invested, it makes sense to move away. I doubt property taxes will ever decrease in my state, as there is far too much waste. So, the best option is to find a nice warm, less taxing location.
We all need to move to Tijuana
I’m happy staying in the USA. Moving to Mexico seems like taking a walk on the very wild (and dangerous) side!
People move to the lower cost areas where modernization, like dual income households and higher educations level have come slower.
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From the US Census Bureau:
Not to turn this into something Political. But I guess I"m gonna. Most of the Move To states are Republican. Almost all of the Move Away states are Democratic. I wonder what % of the moves are people seeking out Like Minds. Conservatives that are tired of fighting the local government and are moving to what they agree to.
I’m guessing Oregon and Idaho are there solely because of Californians leaving.
There are more people living in the county Cleveland is located in or Pittsburgh is in than the entire state of Rhode Island or Vermont or West Virginia… and those are only moderately sized “larger” cities.
I was most surprised to see West Virginia, Nebraska and Ohio on this list. West Virginia is usually a state people are moving out of and Ohio is one people are moving in to. Nebraska. Who ever mentions anything about Nebraska to begin with!
The least appealing states
Rhode Island's appeal (aside from the coastline) is the fact that it's becoming popular among new full-time teleworkers who need occasional access to Boston and/or NYC. RI isn't cheap, but it's cheaper than living in or near either of those cities.
Also, Connecticut sucks.
Well the Red States pay less Fed tax, but they get more Fed tax money. It's mostly just lower costs.
These places are not as backwards as they once were. They are becoming like CA, but at lower cost.
My Org will be operating in all such places, and taking full advantage of the lower land costs, because the Org will be fairly insular at that point, so the surrounding culture will not matter. Harder to recruit in such places though. We will be importing people.
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"... I wonder what % of the moves are people seeking out Like Minds. Conservatives that are tired of fighting the local government and are moving to what they agree to ..."
Hard to say - the Cali influx to TX actually started in the mid-2000s when real-estate was going bonkers in Cali but TX prices were steady - a lot of people would sell their Cali home at supa-high-prices and get an equivalent or better home in TX for way cheaper prices.
The Cali influx has started to make TX less-red and kinda purple - large metro areas like Houston and Austin seemed to have tuned blue likely in large-part b/c of the Cali-influx; and the Dallas metro area is not far behind if it too has not already turned blue - a lot of the Cali influx is also Cali companies that have relocated to TX and have brought the lefties w/ them which o/w perhaps would have not gone to TX - remains to be seen if TX remains red or if it becomes blue in the not too-distant-future.
Not many people in California would admit to moving to Alabama to be with like minded people...
It is lower costs, but also in rural places people tend to think differently:
My Car My House My Family My Shotgun My Money
fuck everyone else.
People in cities can think like that.
My org will be in red states, but we won't be part of their culture. Spending so much time fucking.
SJG
Those states have lower costs but also lower wages and fucked up laws
If you're rich it doesn't matter.
But try being unemployed or disabled in Alabama instead of California for example. Big difference
I am surprised by a few states West Virginia? hmmm maybe cost of living is much more affordable there?
I think it is a good thing we have a federal system where anything not listed in the Constitution as a function of the federal government is left to the states. This enables states to pursue different policies and enables people to move to the states which have policies they like. Many contentious issues like abortion, drug legalization, prostitution, gay marriage and so on can be left to the states.
If people don't like parts of the Constitution, it can be amended. In my opinion, the biggest flaw of the Constitution as originally adopted was not banning slavery. This was fixed with an amendment. The South in the Civil War was portrayed as the states rights side but they actually wanted to federalize enforcement of laws requiring the return of escaped slaves.
The Constitution does protect some rights, and these come from the principles, far beyond what is explicitly enumerated, like privacy for example.
^^^ when you say “so much fucking” in regards to your organization are you talking about ducking goats or blow up dolls?
But try being a fucking bum who doesn’t want to work or some trash who keeps having kids with a succession of bum sperm donors. Some of those state’s won’t even feed your kid breakfast, lunch and dinner at school so you’ll have to get off your fat ass to do it yourself. No thanks!
Shailynn are you actually reading SJG’s posts? That’s impressive!
For those in states with large inbound (or outbound) populations, what are the real estate markets like in your town and does politics matter?
For instance, while Texas is getting a lot of new residents from California, the ones who want to stay liberal seem to be moving to Austin (Little Moscow on the Colorado [River]). Movers to Florida, politically, should congregate on the East Coast or Orlando-Gainesville area; but Cape Coral - Ft. Myers is faster growing. There are more ready to develop lots and plots here than almost anywhere else in Florida, and they are being bought sight unseen. The bidding wars and prices here are ridiculous. Homes are on the market for days, not weeks, and selling at prices 200%-300% greater than three-five years ago. Leasebacks are common among existing home sales, because the sellers can't find anywhere to move to. This is a heavily Republican district, and the registered Republicans seem to be immigrating here more than the socialists, so that's good. The 2022 gubernatorial election will the real proof, though.
I was a little surprised after looking at the US Census report. I moved to Georgia from California back in 1988. I realized the lower cost of living right off the bat but didn't realize that is was the 8th most populated state and even more surprised that it was #5 in numeric population growth. I bought my present retirement home 6 1/2 years ago and it has already doubled in resale value but I'm not going anywhere. Most of the people I meet were not born here.
Gammanu95 my state is an outbound one. I’m in NJ, and the state is largely democratic in the northeast. There are pockets of republicans in the far west and southern (parts of the state). We have had a few republican governors, but our other representatives are generally democrats. My county is overwhelmingly democrat, and that’s largely due to Newark being the black hole of tax revenue.
During the early part of the pandemic, housing prices jumped here, due to folks migrating away from NYC. I don’t think the NYC market dipped much at all, but it may not have grown much. There have been homes bought, and torn down, to build larger homes, nearby. There are also a good number of homes being sold at open house, for more than the asking price. But, this is a commuter location, and folks coming out of Manhattan are amazed at how cheap it seems to be.
Our governor didn’t help himself with his stupid quote about taxes. When he said off the cuff - if high property taxes are an issue, this isn’t the state for you.
I’m going to be one of those transplants from the NY area who lands in Fl or SC. I will likely think it’s cheap for awhile too. But, who knows what the future will bring to those states? But, the taxes up here are too high, and there’s no chance they will get reasonable anytime soon.
Florida's cost of living will skyrocket very soon. That asshole John Morgan, of Morgan & Morgan, bankrolled an amendment to the state constutution for $15/hr min wage implemented $1 annually over five years, $15/hr on 1/1/2025. A lot of people thought the bill would fail; but as a tourism state, it was inevitable all of the hospitality and service workers would support the bill and it passed. It is no surprise that the ignorant, unskilled worker cannot see through to the wider ramifications and inflation from a ballooning mininum wage. They will soon not be able to afford to live here, nor will the snowbirds and retirees. I warned our staff of what would happen if the bill passed. True to my word, we cut staff and froze hourly pay increases except as to match the annual min wage increases. We also reduced benefits to hourly personnel. FL already had a higher cost of living since very little is produced here, and the peninsula is out of the way from most interstate commerce traffic. That is why the new england liberals moving here are so dangerous, they are also too stupid to understand that their liberal politics and voting behaviors will make FL a high tax state with bureaucrat tyrants invading every aspect of their lives.
We'll see what happens, but the outlook for the state and our nation is pretty grim.
I am moving shit from Crazyjoe shitters at McDonald's and dumpin it in da basements
United Van Lines, so, people that can afford to PAY MOVERS.
Not the folks packing up a uhaul, or tying a matress to the roof of the corolla.
^ I thought the Okies were moving to California
I constantly hear of TX being #1 but it's not in the top states on that list - taking a quick look at the link the #s I saw were in percentages which kinda paints a different picture since TX has such a much-bigger population than most states.