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Has an ATF type dancer "fired" you " for turning cheap?

David9999
The "I fired my regular" thread that is currently active on the Pink site presents interesting issues here, and it certainly presents the case 1. why spending too much on a girl initially has huge risks 2. why one needs multiple ATFs and other girls 3.why the spending pattern should be tracked and planned with each girl very carefully 4. why perhaps a level spending pattern, for example even a relatively cheap but reasonably consistent pattern may have certain advantages 5. why an erratic pattern could be useful with other dancers, in other words she cannot count on it and it will never have any preditability 5. slams the door shut on the relentless PL question "is it really about the money"? 6. makes one ask whether in tightening economic markets would most girls generally be able to afford to just "fire" such a customer. Example lets say customer used to spend 500 a week, now spends a 150, and for some girls 150 isn't bad, and only bad on a relative basis

opening post on pink site on "I fired by regular"

"My regular customer got all cheap on me and wasted my time last Friday and only spent $50 with me after a LONG lunch. Also I found out he got dances from someone else when I wasn't there... not that he's my property but I waste a lot of time on his phone calls and shit...
I just told him I don't want to see him for lunches any more and not outside the club again. Waiting for the fallout, I broke it off on Instant Messenger and disconnected before he replied. (after enduring his stunned silence for about 5 minutes) Regulars are so annyoing! In the beginning he would spend $1000 like it's nothing, last week he hands me a $50 after I wasted all afternoon with him!!!! Ugh regulars suck totally."

random followup posts:

1. "agree. when regulars turn cheap, it's time to kill em off."

2. "I had an extremely high spending regular that i fired reciently.
Some girl told another girl that i called her a bitch over it which was COMPLETELY FALSE! He was a tool, as if i would fight over him!
But anyway, he presured me big time to see me out of the club and said he loved me. I told him that maybe the club isnt the best place to find love and to be careful. I told him I didn't feel for him like that. I asked him if he had any of his money invested because all of his money was inherited. I am an idiot for that because he ended up spending less on me but i got fed up with his bs and FIRED HIM! yey"

3. "I think I"m gonna make that my siggy too. My first ever regular tried to play me like that too. He approached me at a table, when I was sitting with another regular and said, "Daddy's here" He went from spending $300/week to only $30...yea right. I had to let his ass go!"







32 comments

  • harrydave
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    17 years ago
    Just a couple of thoughts. The concept of firing your bad customers is in vogue in business right now. But I think it applies to those very worst ones, not to the regulars.

    Another common business concept - it is easier and less expensive to retain a current customer than acquire a new one. If a regular customer is spending less, you may need to reexamine your "value proposition". But I would not credit the average stripper with keen business sense, although many understand how to retain a regular and get him to cough up the dough.

    My personal experience. I think I got fired by one girl after she suggested I buy her a Tiffany necklace and I declined. But that was fine with me; I saw lots of trouble ahead.

    Yes, have a plan or at least some investment sense. Consider diversification and keep investments regular and fairly even. Don't become a speculative day trader unless you have real good insider information :-)
  • ozymandias
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    17 years ago
    It's a business.

    If I had a client who decided we had become "friends" and was trying to occupy a lot of my time gratis, I would certainly explore the possibility that maybe he was no longer a customer worth servicing.

    It's a pretty important issue, especially in a fundamentally social business, because you have to weigh the value of a client against his networking value. I can certainly understand a dancer "firing" a no-longer-paying customer though.

    O.
  • David9999
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    17 years ago
    Interesting the PL hands her 50 dollars AFTER lunch, and we can safely assume he paid for the lunch and probably the gas to drive her or taxi fare to get there. Her typical SS is not working, so no more PL OTC crumbs for this guy anymore. Her true skill level is probably about min wage 8 bucks an hour or so, but as a dancer she's convinced herself her opportunity cost is now so high she worth 100's an hour. This guy was apparently routineley dropping a 1000 and look at the thanks he getting. He's a commodity to her, and yet apparently she is (or was) unique to him - that cannot last for very long
  • David9999
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    17 years ago
    "If I had a client who decided we had become "friends" and was trying to occupy a lot of my time gratis, I would certainly explore the possibility that maybe he was no longer a customer worth servicing."

    These women often push the "friends" concept on gullible PLs, don't necessarily assume its all his fault, he may be just not aware of the game.

    Per the Stripper Shit standard operating procedure handbook - the girl pushes the "friends" concept and offers the PL crumbs such as 1. stripper cell message phone 2. sometimes real stripper cell phone 3. lunch dates 4. concert "dates"

    I have a newer ATF type ($2000 to 2500 in so far) that is working a hard sell on me, including offering 2 and 3 and a new one "going on picnics". Right, aside from being amazing super SS, like a married man is going to let himself possibly be seen hanging around town with a younger woman, yeah right. I turned it all down, too much B.S. even by stripper standards. However admittedly she's an amazing ITC type dancer and CR chick etc with a great personality along with it
  • chandler
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    17 years ago
    It hasn't happened to me because I never spend that much on any one stripper. You can't "turn" cheap unless you've been something other than cheap to begin with.
  • David9999
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    17 years ago
    "You can't "turn" cheap unless you've been something other than cheap to begin with."

    I am beginning to see the merits of either erratic spending patterns and/or spreading the cash around much more with differing women, or just going cheap now and then. The key for me I believe is to commoditize the dancers to the degree possible. I will admit I enjoy a woman who gives me an extra kick, in other words one I might "have a thing for" but I am forcing myself (and acting counter-intuitively to my natural inclination) by trying to avoid having only one particular woman that does this for me, instead have (lets say) maybe 3 or 4. Then the crazy spending can be avoided.
  • casualguy
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    17 years ago
    I think it's hard to be fired for being cheap if you haven't been spending that much on her in the first place. Well I call an amount whether it's 30, 60, 80 or even 100 dollars a big to large amount for a group of lap dances. I have a number of favorites and they come and go and so do I. I try not to spend too much time with one dancer in the first place because my time is limited and I wouldn't get to see any of the other dancers in a club if I spent a lot of time with just one or two. Besides with a dancers way of thinking, long term might be 2 or 3 weeks. Sometimes long term for some dancers might only be a few days away. Fire a customer one day, then a week later she might say "that was a long time ago, don't you want a dance?"
  • casualguy
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    17 years ago
    I had a dancer suggest raising her prices on me. I immediately said to her, "well, I guess I won't be getting any more dances from you if you do." She dropped the subject. I don't care if I do get dances from her or not. I'm looking for ways to cut back my spending right now but I don't like passing up good opportunities with hot dancers.
  • casualguy
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    17 years ago
    I think it works better if you're getting new favorites and looking for dancers to stop getting dances from. That's more like a regular telling a favorite "you're fired". However I don't want to burn bridges. If it's a slow night and she's the only old favorite around, then she'll be in luck.
  • David9999
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    17 years ago
    I would guess someone steadily spending 250 to 500 a week on a single dancer, most people would consider big. I can handle something like that longer term w/o much trouble. However I was going considerably above that amount with one particular dancer for a number of months. and that's when some dancers lose touch with reality and start ratcheting up the SS level, either promising or saying things that really are not true. You end sometimes becoming 50% or more of all their income, and its not helpful to sustaining the "relationship" or whatever label is proper, longer term. It can even build resentment in them, because (even if you are a perfect gentlemen)- they know you have control over to them to a degree. Dependency can breed contempt.
  • chipitin
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    17 years ago
    If in fact he was spending hundreds per week to get his "LONG" lunches (I assume "LONG" means sex) and now he decides to give her $50 per week and spends money on other dancers in the club, I think he got what he wanted or deserved. But it also sounds like she is posting on the wrong website, she should be posting on theeroticreview.com with the other Escorts.
  • David9999
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    17 years ago
    "I assume "LONG" means sex)"

    No way was she having sex with this customer, the "long" lunches are just part of the standard stripper shit playbook along with stripper cell numbers and various other crumbs like shopping trips and concerts and so forth strippers use (usually for RIL types) to either retain a free spending regular or to lock-in a new and promising regular precisely to AVOID having to have any real "relationship"and/or sex whether involving cash or not.

    If you go to the pink site and read this particular stripper's other posts, you will find not even a hint of any OTC sex deals going with her customers. She's pretty screwed up (drugs, huge marital issues) and so forth, but no indicators at all
  • casualguy
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    17 years ago
    Getting fired by a dancer sounds amusing to me. I don't have any dancers that I always get dances from every single week. Some may try to keep it that way but it's not that consistent. It's been my experience if you have sex with a dancer, she starts acting all funny afterwards. You know like sitting with you in the club for quite some time without asking for any dances and calling you up on the phone for no particular reason.
  • David9999
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    17 years ago
    Speaking of a being a cheapskate, look at this post yestersday on the "CHEAP MO FO" thread on the pink site

    "OH this reminds me of the time I was giving this guy a LD (which are $20 at my club) and he goes "I just want to pay for half a dance. I'm about to cum." Of course I said "NO, there is no such thing as half a dance!"
    ew. Cheap ass nasty bastard. Like I would continue dancing for him knowing he is going to splooge all over and probably get it on me. For ten bucks."

  • chipitin
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    17 years ago
    David, maybe you are right about LONG, but everyone I know have always used the term to mean there is a lot more going on than consuming food. If you approach your secretary and ask her to go out with you for a LONG lunch, you will probably be fired and your company sued for sexual harrasement. Why would any customer spend hundreds on a stripper just to get her to eat lunch with them in a public place? If you are right, I think she did him a big favor.
  • FONDL
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    17 years ago
    I've never been fired that I'm aware of. But then I've never gotten cheap on a regular either, I always keep in mind that she's working and I expect to pay her for the time she spends with me. And, like Chandler, I've never gone overboard in giving a girl a lot of money in the first place. I'm not cheap but I always have been fairly frugal. A girl who expects guys to give her big bucks is never going to become my regular in the first place.
  • FONDL
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    17 years ago
    Also meant to add that some girls get very nervous about having a regular for an extended period of time, especially if he spends all his money on her, and sooner or later will look for an excuse to end it.
  • David9999
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    17 years ago
    The word "long" in regards to "long lunch", ok that could be contstrued as sex in normal parlance, however in this case the complaining stripper is whining about all the TIME (e.g phone calls etc) she's giving the guy, most of it for free and that LONG lunch is just one more thing on her list. We also know he only paid 50 dollars, way too low for any kind of sex in most OTC deals. The 50 sounds like the customer was in fact trying to compensate her for her time, however these strippers think they are worth 200 to 300 an hour, even though much of their club time is idle. Odds are very high it was the dancer early in the customer-dancer relationship, pushing the idea that they are big FRIENDS/BUDDIES -which is pretty much standard operating procedure SS for most dancers attempting to lock-in or keep a regular
  • David9999
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    17 years ago
    Its one thing for these strippers to "fire" a regular that either 1. bought into the FRIENDS deal and is hanging/calling her OTC with her 2. or is hanging with her in the club excesively in-between CRs or lap sessions or. However, I cannot imagine why they would want to fire a customer that generally avoids most of the friend/buddies SS to begin with - and just doesn't hang with her. It seems counter-productive to fire this later customer
  • chandler
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    17 years ago
    I never suspected that this "LONG lunch" meant anything more than a time consuming meal in a restaurant. Strippers generally don't fuck their regulars. Other customers, maybe, and the general public, for sure, but even the dumbest strippers know instinctively that a regular is sustained by stringing him along, letting him think that he MIGHT get in her pants someday. To actually put out for him would leave her in the position of a fisherman without bait.
  • casualguy
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    17 years ago
    If a dancer wants to start a sexual relationship or boyfriend girlfriend type thing with you, the dancers I've known will do so or try to do so right away. There isn't any time to become a regular or any of that stringing someone along. A few of my favorite dancers at different times have reduced their prices to me so that I keep getting dances from them.

    Obviously the girl in the example above was stringing the guy along to make money off of him, he forgot that most dancers are all about the money if you're not already screwing her for free. They like money for time spent with people they see as customers. I guess if she's not a full time dancer and only moonlights on the weekend she may treat people different though.
  • David9999
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    17 years ago
    "Why would any customer spend hundreds on a stripper just to get her to eat lunch with them in a public place?"

    Strippers often trade time to gain income

    RILs or "regulars in love" or some variation (along with less gullible regs) can form the core earnings for many big earners. If they can have lets say 4 or 5 guys like this, (new ones arriving and others leaving at various times) the dancer can have a very nice steady stream of earnings. Its an art form learning to play these guys. Now some strippers keep the SS to a mininum as they cannot stomach doing this

    Chipitin, I am sure with all these other posts confirming mine, at this point you pretty much understand the deal now. However that said, note that once you get the stripper shit playbook down, it can actually make your time with certain (but not all) strippers alot more fun, because you basically will know every move in the chess game before they make it, and they know YOU know nearly all their moves. Plus many of them are actually decent people, so you can (at least) have fun ITC w/o all the SS getting in the way
  • chipitin
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    17 years ago
    Chandler & David, In my experience as a regular customer I have suggested, been offered, and have accepted doing business OTC and it has worked out fine because I make sure the compensation is adequate and I make sure both sides feel they are receiving a fair deal. The girl will agree to the business OTC if she feels the regular is getting bored of the same-old-same-old and is ready to move on to another girl or club. The girl makes more money working outside the club with a single customer she likes, and she doesn't feel like a "fisherman without bait". But if I were to suddenly start to compensate this girl with much less that what I was compensating her with originally and if I expected the same service, I would expect the same reaction as the girl we are discussing. Thus, the reason for reaching my conclusions about the meaning of LONG. But regardless of the meaning of the word, anytime you set a president of doing business with someone, like the Regular did by paying her a lot of money to meet for lunch the first time, and later you change the rules of the game, one can expect a reaction like this girl, regardless if she works as a stripper or a waitress.
  • David9999
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    17 years ago
    "I have accepted doing business OTC and it has worked out fine because I make sure the compensation is adequate"

    You talking cash in exchange for Full Service or just whatever you normally do in the club?
  • chipitin
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    17 years ago
    I would only pay for something outside the club if the service goes beyond the rules of the club. To pay someone to meet OTC to engage in the same activity available ITC I see as a waste of effort and a risk of the girl losing her job for no good reason.
  • AbbieNormal
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    17 years ago
    Well I may be pissing up a rope to judge from the posts here recently, but my feeling is that OTC is almost always a bad idea. You are either getting something you could get a lot cheaper through the yellow pages under "Escort" or spending a lot of money for the payoff that never comes. I know that is a generalization, but for the most part it is true. We talk about he exceptions a lot, but for most guys you are better off keeping it ITC.
  • David9999
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    17 years ago
    Althought its probably somewhat rare, I've heard of cases of customers hanging OTC with favorites sort of as legitimate friends (to the degree that would ever be possible between client and dancer at least), and I believe the customer spending is primarily only ITC, and some of these cases are where the ATF type either has no current romantic relationships, or has a marriage of other relationship just finished or on its last legs.

    Now if the PL accepts the "relationship" for what's its worth and isn't expecting more, then its possible such OTC deal might be Ok for some

    It would seem that some of these cases just might be similar to the (real world) stopgap relationships that hot chicks often have with "nice guys" - in between the old jerk and the new jerk, it might be hard to know for sure
  • David9999
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    17 years ago
    "The girl will agree to the business OTC if she feels the regular is getting bored of the same-old-same-old and is ready to move on to another girl or club."

    That would be nice if more girls start offering that,(it sure would spice it up a bit) however so far I would think its only a small minority in each club that would be ready for such deals - of course that's assuming normal pricing and that someone isn't going to drop (lets say) 1000 or more dollars on a girl for getting it done
  • casualguy
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    17 years ago
    Several years ago when I was still relatively new to visiting strip clubs, hanging out with a dancer that was about the same age as me didn't seem like any big deal. If I met her first in the club and she liked me and asked me to go out to eat with her or go over to her house we were acting sort of like we were friends and I wasn't expecting that much. I didn't pay the dancers for their time or anything else in those situations. Well I may have offered to pay for their meal but I'm not sure if they always took me up on that. I was a bit surprised one night when the one dancer I was hanging out with wanted to do a lot more one night. One dancer who I originally asked out not knowing she wanted to do a paid private dancing party where she danced for money just not in the club, I did enjoy her better in private. All she was doing was dancing so that made her unique because she was the only dancer that treated me like a customer for a while. Other than the time I was sitting at her place drinking a beer or two and maybe watching a tv program with her.
  • chipitin
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    17 years ago
    I am about 20+ years older than any stripper I am interested in doing business with. I have nice interesting friendships with them, but due to the age difference and the level of attractiveness these girls possess, I seriously doubt any of these girls have any interest in hanging out with me as a real friend. Also, I don't attempt to believe they would like me as a real friend, and I always assume they only agree if they can benefit economically. The only exception I have to this is one time I met a girl that came over here (and went back) every 90 days from Europe on a vacation visa to work at clubs and lived alone in a motel. She was not into having co-workers as friends so she selected a couple customers to hang with. And yes if I/we work out an OTC deal, economically they do much better than they would if they were an escort, and I agree to pay that premium. But I have the luxury of really knowing the girl and the circumstances before engaging in the transaction. If you read sites like TER, look at how difficult and imposing the screening process is and how nervous each customer claims he is when he buys an hour and has to have sex with a strange woman that is watching a clock and wants to finish within an hour. Also, if you engage in paid OTC, it's almost assured she is doing it because she BOTH enjoys your company AND of course appreciates the money. I believe that paying a premium for an OTC with the RIGHT girl that I already know is far better economically than trial-and-error business with stranger escorts. On TER, note the catch-all phrase in the reviews seems to be YMMV, you hope this strange woman you just met will find you mutually attractive. Paid OTC's are a great climax to a relationship that you built with her ITC over several weeks, months, or even years. But if you play games or treat the girls with disrespect like so many customers do, I am afraid you will be doing business ITC forever. As FONDL states in the Pink site string, this site is about discussing the EXCEPTIONS, and the girls that are the EXCEPTIONS are available to you if you can prove that you are a customer that is the EXCEPTION to the normal. The girls that are not the exception to the normal in my opinion are not even worth us discussing or criticizing.
  • ThisOldManPlayed1
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    17 years ago
    I have to keep reminding myself.............

    I'M A CLIENT - I'M A CLIENT - I'M A CLIENT

    and get off this SHE LIKES ME - SHE LIKES ME - SHE LIKES ME

  • casualguy
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    17 years ago
    Just disappear for a month or few months along with several other customers, then the dancers who fired you can complain and wonder "where are all the guys disappearing to?"

    Bones I got the solution, just think of one other word

    SHE LIKES ME MONEY - SHE LIKES ME MONEY - SHE LIKES ME MONEY
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