How do I go about doing this? I don’t want to offend the girl by asking her in case she doesn’t. There were some dancers I wanted to ask but I was to scared. Help please!
You can ask if she ever spends time with customers outside of the club. She will either steer the conversation in another direction or start negotiating.
Reminds me of the first time I asked. Early 90's at Danny's in Memphis. I was spending the night in Memphis while driving cross country and had never been in the place. I was shocked at the high mileage dances and it left me wanting more. Since I already had a hotel room just down the street. I asked the dancer I was with if she was interested in coming to my room. He reply was "I don't know you well enough". I accepted that and gave up the idea for the night.
Over the years I have learned that nothing ventured, nothing gained. They have all heard it before. It's part of the job. So don't worry about being rejected. Just try again. For me it has always worked best on girls that I have known for awhile and built up some trust. But I have also hooked up right out of the gate.
"I don’t want to offend the girl by asking her in case she doesn’t. "
If this notion is frightening to you, OTC might not be for you.
For the most part, the girls have all heard it before. If she gets offended, either 1. you asked her in an asshole-y way, or 2. she's choosing to be offended. For the record, in decades of doing this, I've had girls turn me down but never anyone act offended, even once, even a little. I don't ask in a chickenshit way (e.g., "do you ever meet your customers outside?"), I just spend time and $ on her, and then, "hey, would you meet me outside the club?" or something similar. If you've treated her well and you ask her respectfully you won't offend her, although she might tell you no.
“The amount of good luck coming your way depends on your willingness to act.”
What has work for me is to build a trusting relationship with a girl, make her my current favorite and make sure she knows I am a respectful gentleman, safe, clean, discreet, and fun, funny.
My All Time Favorite Stripper, Ally, started dancing when I was going to see a Current Favorite Ariel.
Ally was just over 20 years, sweet, beautiful and shy. She became friendly and would seat with me while I was waiting for my CF, would let me know if my CF was not there, would tell the waitresses to let Ariel know I have arrived.
Once she was tired and fell asleep on my shoulder and thanked me for letting her sleep and rest.
One time when my CF didn’t show up I asked Ally to go to the 15 minute VIP, she was so sweet and excited.
We had to wait for a “room” and she sat in my lap and we made out like teenagers. Once in the VIP we went as close as humanly possible to Full Service but didn’t do FS.
After the VIP I asked Ally if she would be interested in OTC (would you be interested in meeting outside the club, we can have a better, more comfortable experience, and you don’t have to share money with the club?) and gave her my number, but she say she didn’t do that.
I keep going to visit my CF and she didn’t show up another time and I took Ally to the VIP again, and again we were so close to FS, but we didn’t have FS, however she was so excited, shy and cute.
I was still visiting my CF, on the weekends, when Ally texted me on the middle of the week to ask me if I was still interested on OTC with her, I answer of course I am.
We made an appointment, I went to pick her up near her place and we went to a small hotel and had a very nice GFE type of experience. Ally was a sweet and nice Baby Stripper.
Ally and I developed a Sugar Baby type of relationship we had OTC almost every week for more than two years.
I would pick her up on Sunday afternoon, get an hotel room and make love, massage each other, have room service sometimes we would go to dinner to nice a place. She would refer to me as her fiancé to other people, her sister told me.
I have thousands of pictures of her modeling cute sexy outfits I got for her. Around Halloween she was slave princesses Leis from Star Wars, Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader, Playboy Bunny. Around Christmas a sexy miss Santa, naughty school girl.
Like I said Ally was a baby stripper when we meet, very sweet and nice, the sex got better and better because she was more comfortable and felt safe relaxed and was able to let herself go and enjoy it, I enjoyed it too, she would experience multiple orgasms and was very shy and sweet about it.
Sometimes she would spend the night and would fall a sleep with her head on my chest like the little angel she was.
She texted me one last time letting me know she was moving on and thanking me for the relationship...
She was worth every penny and every second I spent on her.
Thank you for making me remember that relationship.
===> "You can ask if she ever spends time with customers outside of the club."
If you only want a shot at the shameless high volume girls then by all means use this line. I suppose it might not be a bad start for a guy who has never done this before - at least he'll be able to locate the low hanging fruit. But asking a girl upfront if she's a prostitute doesn't always play so well, even if she might otherwise be open to it.
I normally use some version of "What would it take to talk you out of here?" if the conversation is going well and I'm getting a good vibe.
As far as being afraid, why? What's the downside if she says no? Who cares what she thinks of you? She's not a part of your normal life anyway. And as shadow rightly pointed out, they hear it plenty already so most of them, even if they decline, tend to handle it calmly.
So sack up cowboy and take your shots. You'll probably strike out a lot more often than not initially, but eventually your instincts will improve and with them your success rate.
As others have said don't be rude just come right out with it. These girls get asked that question a couple times a shift they're not going to be offended one bit.
Unless you're cheap, ugly or a real dick you'll probably have a 10% or better chance of success
I'm going to assume you're talking about meeting OTC for sex, and not just hanging out, since I have little experience (aside from a few *very* favorites) with, or interest in, the latter.
What mostly works for me is first determining if she will even fuck in the first place. Usually this involves testing the waters ITC, and if that works out, then I ask how she feels about doing it somewhere else to avoid giving the club half of her money. I've had good luck with this approach, it has advantages for both her and me, i.e. she knows I'll pay up, and I'm confident she'll put out.
I have, on rare occasion, arranged for OTC without a test run in the club, and they've for the most part worked out OK, but *just* OK. Either performance not what I was expecting, or sometimes ghosting.
There have also been a few who, when asked if they're up for extra, have said, "I'd rather not do it here," but they've been the exception.
All in all, I suggest verifying that she's even interested in fucking you at all before asking her out.
===> "What mostly works for me is first determining if she will even fuck in the first place. Usually this involves testing the waters ITC..."
There are a lot of clubs where fucking ITC isn't even realistically possible. There are also plenty of dancers who would never dream of fucking ITC for reputational and other reasons, but will agree to discreet OTC if the stars align.
Idk GMD. While I'm sure your approach works for you, you're dramatically limiting your pool of potential OTC candidates by targeting solely UHM girls working in very permissive clubs. It's been over a decade since I fucked a girl ITC before I took her OTC, often because it wouldn't have been possible anyway, and I have not suffered for it.
I usually just ask. You fucking outside the club or not? They laugh and say their yes or no. Idk why you’re treating these women as if she’s your boss, just ask.
"There are a lot of clubs where fucking ITC isn't even realistically possible. There are also plenty of dancers who would never dream of fucking ITC for reputational and other reasons, but will agree to discreet OTC if the stars align."
MY home club is a no extras club. the dancers are low volume. I have had no issues finding ladies for OTC sessions. There are two ways it happens. I ask her or one of the ladies i am already meeting with introduces me to someone new.
You have gotten some good advice here. I will reinforce the “just ask” approach that many, including desert scrub, have put forward. Do not worry about offending the dancer, if you offend her, the worst that will happen is that she won’t do OTC with you, which is where you were before you asked. So, you don’t really lose anything by offending her. She may tell other dancers that you are only after “one thing”, but again, you wouldn’t get OTC from the dancers that pay attention to that anyway, and some dancers that are looking to make a few extra bucks may come looking for you. You are not likely to get thrown out of a club for asking for OTC, as long as you are polite about it, will take no for an answer, and are spending money. Spending money in the club is the key.
A lot depends on the club and the dancer. If dancers do extras in the club, chances are good you can get OTC as well. I have had a dancer tell me “No, I don’t do that, but I can find you someone that will”, and then return with, well a dancer that does OTC. Some dancers won’t do it the first time you ask, but may after they are more familiar with you, so keep asking. There are many factors that a dancer will consider when consenting to OTC. A dancer may be more likely to say yes if bills are due, or she has a major repair, or she it is getting large and she isn’t making much doing regular dances. On the other hand, if she is doing well for the night, just got a child support check, or is on her period, she is more likely to say no. Circumstances, change, so don’t get discouraged.
As to how to directly ask, usually statements are better than questions.For instance, “I’d like to play with you outside the club ” works better than “Can we get together outside the club?”. Similarly, “I’d like to do more” works better than “Can we do more?”. Questions give her a straightforward way to say no, statements not so much.
Sometimes a dialog is needed, but you need to start it and, more importantly keep it going. For example, if you are getting a dance inside the club and want to do more than she is doing, and she says “We can’t do that here”, then you can reply “Let’s do it outside the club”. If If she hesitates you can remind her she doesn’t have to split the proceeds with the club. After a few tries, you will become better at it.
Remember, the dancers are in it for the money and you have the money, so you are in charge. And they are likely to get more money from you dancing outside the club for you than dancing inside the club. Many will pretend that they are in charge, but that is a front that many strippers put on. The dancer you are asking is not the only one in the club, so if they say no, don’t spend any more money on them and move on to a new dancer. If you really want OTC, and the dancer says no, there is not reason to spend more time with her, at least on that visit. This is not your workplace, so HR won’t come and discipline you for asking a dancer for sex.
And there is the rare possibility that few, if any dancers in your club do OTC. If that is the case, find a new club.
But above all, remember; it is your money and you are in charge.
To Doc’s tongue in cheek point about this never being asked before, there is a search icon on the upper right hand corner of this, and I think every, page on TUSCL.Typing in “asking for OTC” will return a lot of hits for past discussions on the topic. Much of the advice here repeats advice in those hits.
Regarding ITC vs OTC, if I went to extras clubs I'd likely try an ITC test drive first, ala gmd. But for over 10 years now, my approach has been strictly no-extras alcohol clubs, no possibility for a test drive other than getting YMMV in the VIP, which is to an extent something I do require. In that sense, I imagine we all have our ways to filter out the high volume girls, the SW types, the "do the least and get the most" girls, etc.
@rick: I don't disagree with you, but realistically speaking, the only "low volume" club in Louisville right now is PT's, and that's primarily because of the prices. Maybe the former Deja Vu. Virtually every club here right now is an extras club. Individual dancers are sometimes (often) non-providers (or at least they tell *me* "no"), but the clubs in general are high availability.
So while I *try* to persuade the "no" girls to meet me OTC (with some measure of success), even with them I still try to get them to do something ITC in order to verify that I'm not going to be disappointed. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Ws so far outnumber Ls, and the long game is a net positive for me here.
Of course, having lived here for 20 years, I'm no stranger when I walk into the club. That's sometimes a bad thing, but more often a good one.
Some variation of this. I say "How do I get you out of here?" Never to start the conversation but a throw away during the conversation. The first time isn't to get a yes, it's to plant the seed of where I'm heading. From there it's reading her reaction and getting a gauge of whether she's game or how much work you gotta put in.
If it’s a dancer I want to continue to see ITC, I try to make it clear that she won’t lose me as a customer if she’s not comfortable OTC. The other message that needs to be in the discussion is that discretion is as important to you as to her. I reassure them that if she sees me OTC, nobody else in the club is going to hear about it. I think sometimes married guys have an edge because the dancer might feel more safe with them. The same might be true for older customers, If they do OTC all the time, none of this will matter, but if she’s on the fence about doing OTC, you have to make her feel safe and comfortable with the idea. I have multiple favorites that have declined OTC in the past, and that’s OK. If you’ve asked and received an answer, live with it and don’t keep pestering her about it. In simple words, don’t be a dick. It can take time to get her comfy with OTC, but don’t pour more $$$ into her than you would normally spend on dances anyway.
This is like the TUSCL reunion thread. Bunch of names I haven't seen in a while. The thread does reek of troll, but scrub already mentioned that.
"How do I go about doing this?"
Take your pick from the advice all over the thread. But she can't say yes if you don't ask. One of my favorite dancers said no maybe not whatever for over a year before she said yes.
"I don’t want to offend the girl by asking her in case she doesn’t."
You probably won't offend her unless she's new to stripping or already pissed about something else. The thing you should really be thinking about is the baggage that comes along with being known around the club as a guy looking for something extra.
"There were some dancers I wanted to ask but I was to scared. Help please!"
A way to deal with the anxiety is to ask yourself what you have to lose. If you decide it isn't much, then what's the problem?
Mostly true, but not 100% true. I get unsolicited offers occasionally, most recently yesterday. We were discussing doing a VIP, and she asked me if I ever do anything outside the club. She then gave me some of my own lines: “I like it better OTC because it’s more relaxed and you don’t have to worry about the bouncer sticking his nose in our business.” Rare, but it happens. And before you ask, no, this was not a club bottom feeder. She was a super hot red head that had guys lined up to tip her when she was on stage.
Unless you're drama-seeking, you'll do best sticking with the dancers who bank by building up a stable of satisfied regulars. They won't keep it a mystery what they are and are not OK with doing.
But a whiskey glass and a woman's ass will unfailingly prompt us to brave the perils of drama land. So you can make up a story about how you and your friend use to see the same escort, but then your friend got engaged to her. It's fairly common (and to me highly amusing) how some dancers will go totally church lady when the topic of escorts comes up. No upside to asking them for OTC. Say you thought the escort was really nice, ask the dancer if she thinks their marriage could work out. You'll get an idea from her answer if she'll freak if you ask her for OTC.
There is only ONE THING that is absolutely certain. If you do not ask, then it will not happen! Just fucking ask. The worst that could happen is that she says “no”. Then, you move on to another. It really is that simple!
It depends on the the clubs. I have had clubs were nearly every dancer has asked me about OTC, and had clubs were every dancer I have asked shot me down and a few even threatened to call the manager on me. I have even gotten banned the next visit because some dancer stated I asked her for OTC, when I had only been to the club once and hadn't yet found a dancer I was even considering asking.
Ignoring the extremes, in general for the vast majority of OTC encounter, it's been the dancer who brings it up. When I just ask the dancer, she either says she doesn't do that or brings up a rate way too high, such as $1000 to see her outside the club. If you visit often enough can kind of get an idea on which dancers will do OTC. Which may explain why most of my success has been when the dancer brings it up. Usually there is some back and forth going between the two of us over several visits before it works. Such as the dancer saying she thinks the VIP rooms are a rip off to the customer, or that she doesn't make as much money in a champagne room, than she does for the same amount of time in lap dances. Or me saying, "man I wish I could do this for an hour or two." Until it eventually leads to OTC.
I have even met a few who danced to find regulars and quit dancing once they got enough regulars. My last OTC regular was one of those. She started out escorting, until she had bit too many close calls. A friend of hers suggested trying clubs. In her case it was basically four visits and she asks if I ever see dancers outside the club, asks for my number. Then later that night texts me saying she would like to see me outside the club for some fun.
Although generally it takes a bit more work than that. Some back and forth, and usually hints on her end, with me saying "that definitely would be more fun," or "yeah, I wish we could do that too." Then after enough time one of us brings it up and off we go.
If you connect with the girl during a LD ask for her number. Dont give her yours. She will probably forget who you are by the end of the shift. Build rapport and ask.
Another lesson I’ve learned is that if she wants you to have her number, she’ll give it to you. I have a favorite that I am totally lusting for OTC, and she says we can do it, and that she’ll send me her number via DM in Instagram. We’ve traded messages there, but there is always a delay of several days for her to respond. I’ve asked directly for her cell via DM, but still don’t have it. I’ve concluded that she probably doesn’t really want to give me her number. Otherwise I would already have it. It’s too bad, because OTC with her would be EPIC!
Lot of good response... Let me weigh in since this reminds me of myself 10 years back
Every club is different and allows their girls to function in certain ways.. Thus every club cultivates its own philosophy and ecosystems that indoctrination their dsncers and even the patrons
Look if your feelings uncomfortable its because the club is running more clean and most girls are already against it... The girls that do risk their jobs thus a higber fee like 1k and up
Best bet is to find a club with more relaxed rules and with girls jerking u off at the table... In those environments and culurrs what is the point of leaving just fuck them
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Over the years I have learned that nothing ventured, nothing gained. They have all heard it before. It's part of the job. So don't worry about being rejected. Just try again. For me it has always worked best on girls that I have known for awhile and built up some trust. But I have also hooked up right out of the gate.
If this notion is frightening to you, OTC might not be for you.
For the most part, the girls have all heard it before. If she gets offended, either 1. you asked her in an asshole-y way, or 2. she's choosing to be offended. For the record, in decades of doing this, I've had girls turn me down but never anyone act offended, even once, even a little. I don't ask in a chickenshit way (e.g., "do you ever meet your customers outside?"), I just spend time and $ on her, and then, "hey, would you meet me outside the club?" or something similar. If you've treated her well and you ask her respectfully you won't offend her, although she might tell you no.
“The amount of good luck coming your way depends on your willingness to act.”
What has work for me is to build a trusting relationship with a girl, make her my current favorite and make sure she knows I am a respectful gentleman, safe, clean, discreet, and fun, funny.
My All Time Favorite Stripper, Ally, started dancing when I was going to see a Current Favorite Ariel.
Ally was just over 20 years, sweet, beautiful and shy. She became friendly and would seat with me while I was waiting for my CF, would let me know if my CF was not there, would tell the waitresses to let Ariel know I have arrived.
Once she was tired and fell asleep on my shoulder and thanked me for letting her sleep and rest.
One time when my CF didn’t show up I asked Ally to go to the 15 minute VIP, she was so sweet and excited.
We had to wait for a “room” and she sat in my lap and we made out like teenagers. Once in the VIP we went as close as humanly possible to Full Service but didn’t do FS.
After the VIP I asked Ally if she would be interested in OTC (would you be interested in meeting outside the club, we can have a better, more comfortable experience, and you don’t have to share money with the club?) and gave her my number, but she say she didn’t do that.
I keep going to visit my CF and she didn’t show up another time and I took Ally to the VIP again, and again we were so close to FS, but we didn’t have FS, however she was so excited, shy and cute.
I was still visiting my CF, on the weekends, when Ally texted me on the middle of the week to ask me if I was still interested on OTC with her, I answer of course I am.
We made an appointment, I went to pick her up near her place and we went to a small hotel and had a very nice GFE type of experience. Ally was a sweet and nice Baby Stripper.
Ally and I developed a Sugar Baby type of relationship we had OTC almost every week for more than two years.
I would pick her up on Sunday afternoon, get an hotel room and make love, massage each other, have room service sometimes we would go to dinner to nice a place. She would refer to me as her fiancé to other people, her sister told me.
I have thousands of pictures of her modeling cute sexy outfits I got for her. Around Halloween she was slave princesses Leis from Star Wars, Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader, Playboy Bunny. Around Christmas a sexy miss Santa, naughty school girl.
Like I said Ally was a baby stripper when we meet, very sweet and nice, the sex got better and better because she was more comfortable and felt safe relaxed and was able to let herself go and enjoy it, I enjoyed it too, she would experience multiple orgasms and was very shy and sweet about it.
Sometimes she would spend the night and would fall a sleep with her head on my chest like the little angel she was.
She texted me one last time letting me know she was moving on and thanking me for the relationship...
She was worth every penny and every second I spent on her.
Thank you for making me remember that relationship.
If you only want a shot at the shameless high volume girls then by all means use this line. I suppose it might not be a bad start for a guy who has never done this before - at least he'll be able to locate the low hanging fruit. But asking a girl upfront if she's a prostitute doesn't always play so well, even if she might otherwise be open to it.
I normally use some version of "What would it take to talk you out of here?" if the conversation is going well and I'm getting a good vibe.
As far as being afraid, why? What's the downside if she says no? Who cares what she thinks of you? She's not a part of your normal life anyway. And as shadow rightly pointed out, they hear it plenty already so most of them, even if they decline, tend to handle it calmly.
So sack up cowboy and take your shots. You'll probably strike out a lot more often than not initially, but eventually your instincts will improve and with them your success rate.
Unless you're cheap, ugly or a real dick you'll probably have a 10% or better chance of success
fucking ask you dumb son-of-bitch
and quit trolling you twat or i will fuck with you beyond belief and make you eat your fucking shit"
Ooooooh Scrubbyyyyy! You turn me on when you talk that way ! 😉😜🤤💋❣🥒💦
What mostly works for me is first determining if she will even fuck in the first place. Usually this involves testing the waters ITC, and if that works out, then I ask how she feels about doing it somewhere else to avoid giving the club half of her money. I've had good luck with this approach, it has advantages for both her and me, i.e. she knows I'll pay up, and I'm confident she'll put out.
I have, on rare occasion, arranged for OTC without a test run in the club, and they've for the most part worked out OK, but *just* OK. Either performance not what I was expecting, or sometimes ghosting.
There have also been a few who, when asked if they're up for extra, have said, "I'd rather not do it here," but they've been the exception.
All in all, I suggest verifying that she's even interested in fucking you at all before asking her out.
No you won't.
There are a lot of clubs where fucking ITC isn't even realistically possible. There are also plenty of dancers who would never dream of fucking ITC for reputational and other reasons, but will agree to discreet OTC if the stars align.
Idk GMD. While I'm sure your approach works for you, you're dramatically limiting your pool of potential OTC candidates by targeting solely UHM girls working in very permissive clubs. It's been over a decade since I fucked a girl ITC before I took her OTC, often because it wouldn't have been possible anyway, and I have not suffered for it.
MY home club is a no extras club. the dancers are low volume. I have had no issues finding ladies for OTC sessions. There are two ways it happens. I ask her or one of the ladies i am already meeting with introduces me to someone new.
A lot depends on the club and the dancer. If dancers do extras in the club, chances are good you can get OTC as well. I have had a dancer tell me “No, I don’t do that, but I can find you someone that will”, and then return with, well a dancer that does OTC. Some dancers won’t do it the first time you ask, but may after they are more familiar with you, so keep asking. There are many factors that a dancer will consider when consenting to OTC. A dancer may be more likely to say yes if bills are due, or she has a major repair, or she it is getting large and she isn’t making much doing regular dances. On the other hand, if she is doing well for the night, just got a child support check, or is on her period, she is more likely to say no. Circumstances, change, so don’t get discouraged.
As to how to directly ask, usually statements are better than questions.For instance, “I’d like to play with you outside the club ” works better than “Can we get together outside the club?”. Similarly, “I’d like to do more” works better than “Can we do more?”. Questions give her a straightforward way to say no, statements not so much.
Sometimes a dialog is needed, but you need to start it and, more importantly keep it going. For example, if you are getting a dance inside the club and want to do more than she is doing, and she says “We can’t do that here”, then you can reply “Let’s do it outside the club”. If If she hesitates you can remind her she doesn’t have to split the proceeds with the club. After a few tries, you will become better at it.
Remember, the dancers are in it for the money and you have the money, so you are in charge. And they are likely to get more money from you dancing outside the club for you than dancing inside the club. Many will pretend that they are in charge, but that is a front that many strippers put on. The dancer you are asking is not the only one in the club, so if they say no, don’t spend any more money on them and move on to a new dancer. If you really want OTC, and the dancer says no, there is not reason to spend more time with her, at least on that visit. This is not your workplace, so HR won’t come and discipline you for asking a dancer for sex.
And there is the rare possibility that few, if any dancers in your club do OTC. If that is the case, find a new club.
But above all, remember; it is your money and you are in charge.
So while I *try* to persuade the "no" girls to meet me OTC (with some measure of success), even with them I still try to get them to do something ITC in order to verify that I'm not going to be disappointed. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Ws so far outnumber Ls, and the long game is a net positive for me here.
Of course, having lived here for 20 years, I'm no stranger when I walk into the club. That's sometimes a bad thing, but more often a good one.
Some variation of this. I say "How do I get you out of here?" Never to start the conversation but a throw away during the conversation. The first time isn't to get a yes, it's to plant the seed of where I'm heading. From there it's reading her reaction and getting a gauge of whether she's game or how much work you gotta put in.
NAAAASTY
"How do I go about doing this?"
Take your pick from the advice all over the thread. But she can't say yes if you don't ask. One of my favorite dancers said no maybe not whatever for over a year before she said yes.
"I don’t want to offend the girl by asking her in case she doesn’t."
You probably won't offend her unless she's new to stripping or already pissed about something else. The thing you should really be thinking about is the baggage that comes along with being known around the club as a guy looking for something extra.
"There were some dancers I wanted to ask but I was to scared. Help please!"
A way to deal with the anxiety is to ask yourself what you have to lose. If you decide it isn't much, then what's the problem?
Mostly true, but not 100% true. I get unsolicited offers occasionally, most recently yesterday. We were discussing doing a VIP, and she asked me if I ever do anything outside the club. She then gave me some of my own lines: “I like it better OTC because it’s more relaxed and you don’t have to worry about the bouncer sticking his nose in our business.” Rare, but it happens. And before you ask, no, this was not a club bottom feeder. She was a super hot red head that had guys lined up to tip her when she was on stage.
But a whiskey glass and a woman's ass will unfailingly prompt us to brave the perils of drama land. So you can make up a story about how you and your friend use to see the same escort, but then your friend got engaged to her. It's fairly common (and to me highly amusing) how some dancers will go totally church lady when the topic of escorts comes up. No upside to asking them for OTC. Say you thought the escort was really nice, ask the dancer if she thinks their marriage could work out. You'll get an idea from her answer if she'll freak if you ask her for OTC.
I think I found her
https://youtu.be/Ilzn227S1LA
One last advice.
Think of asking for OTC as a poker game.
Because OTC is like poker in some regards.
There are risks, you can win or lose. Success is not guaranteed, but the potential rewards are good for those who learn how to play.
Those who play better get the best rewards more consistently.
Remember what it is said: “Practice makes perfect”
People usually become better at something if they do it often; If you want to be good at OTC , you should practice asking for it.
We all have failed over and over and over again in life. And that is why we succeed sometimes, because we learn from the “failures” and try again...
Those times we are rejected just mean we need to try again.
Perseverance Pays Sometimes...
Ignoring the extremes, in general for the vast majority of OTC encounter, it's been the dancer who brings it up. When I just ask the dancer, she either says she doesn't do that or brings up a rate way too high, such as $1000 to see her outside the club. If you visit often enough can kind of get an idea on which dancers will do OTC. Which may explain why most of my success has been when the dancer brings it up. Usually there is some back and forth going between the two of us over several visits before it works. Such as the dancer saying she thinks the VIP rooms are a rip off to the customer, or that she doesn't make as much money in a champagne room, than she does for the same amount of time in lap dances. Or me saying, "man I wish I could do this for an hour or two." Until it eventually leads to OTC.
I have even met a few who danced to find regulars and quit dancing once they got enough regulars. My last OTC regular was one of those. She started out escorting, until she had bit too many close calls. A friend of hers suggested trying clubs. In her case it was basically four visits and she asks if I ever see dancers outside the club, asks for my number. Then later that night texts me saying she would like to see me outside the club for some fun.
Although generally it takes a bit more work than that. Some back and forth, and usually hints on her end, with me saying "that definitely would be more fun," or "yeah, I wish we could do that too." Then after enough time one of us brings it up and off we go.
Every club is different and allows their girls to function in certain ways.. Thus every club cultivates its own philosophy and ecosystems that indoctrination their dsncers and even the patrons
Look if your feelings uncomfortable its because the club is running more clean and most girls are already against it... The girls that do risk their jobs thus a higber fee like 1k and up
Best bet is to find a club with more relaxed rules and with girls jerking u off at the table... In those environments and culurrs what is the point of leaving just fuck them