Election results
gammanu95
My casual drinking is your alcohol poisoning.
100M have already voted.
With over 40% of the possible ballots already received (voter turnout ia kever 100%), under what scenario could we not expect clear cut results by tomorrow morning?
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Our media likes to call Russia a dictatorship even though nearly all fair-minded analysts will admit President Putin has had majority support throughout most or all of tenure.
They argue that there is unfair media coverage in his favor (despite the existence of widespread opposition media), roadblocks and infiltration of opposition parties (despite there being more opposition members in the Duma than in the California Legislature), and intimidation or harassment of opposition campaigning.
Hello, what do you call the obstacles and unfairness that the Trump movement has had to put up with in the US. Add to it, the difficulty of a normal campaign due to the Covid scamdemic and the massive opportunity for Dem fraud with this mail in and "early voting" sham, and clearly any Biden-Harris administration will have less legitimacy than President Putin. In fact its not even close.
A) Easy to have majority support when the opposition gets poisoned.
B) Please tell me you're not advocating authoritarian rule as long as it's your guy in power. That would be the most anti-American thing posted to this board yet.
I haven’t researched, but my assumption is that it’s meant to promote efficiency and a faster calling of the results, not slow it down. Until this year, the overwhelming majority of voters voted in person. If you used poll workers to count mail in ballots, compare signatures, etc. you’d take away time that could be used to make Election Day voting and counting more efficient. Once you’d counted the in person ballots, if the margin of votes for one candidate exceeded the number of mail in votes, the state wouldn’t even need to count those votes to declare a winner. In most cases, this process would save a lot of time.
Covid and the huge pivot to majority mail in votes turned that purpose on its head. Further, it goes state by state but I don’t think it’s usually a “rule.” I think they’re laws. You can usually change election rules pretty easily. Not so easy to change laws in the middle of an election (even if it would’ve been a good idea) when both parties hate each other. Changing the law would just be viewed as undermining the legitimacy of the election.
Again, I did zero research but that’s my guess.
The system is especially designed to confuse voters into believing their votes matter.
A “handpicked” group of “allies” known as electors will be send to the Electoral College, where the “actual presidential vote” takes place.
The “Electoral Votes” will be “officially” read and counted on January 6th 2021 when Members of the House and the Senate all meet in the House chamber.
On January 20th, 2021, at noon, the Pedophile-Rapist-in-Chief will take the oath of office for his second of three terms.
Resignation so Pence can pardon pending litigation?
Keeps playing to his base and starts a lucrative media company?
Goes quietly into the good night?
Cooperative transition and Obama's portrait finally gets hung in the White House?
Jes’ sayin’...
This might work if various voter frauds give Biden the lead at some point. Timing is the key. They need to act before Trump can challenge the fraudulent votes in the court.
https://www.axios.com/biden-transition-p…
California (55 Electoral Votes)
New York (29 Electoral Votes)
Illinois (20 Electoral Votes)
Meanwhile the Republicans seem to have less sure-things - even TX is turning purple and it'll probably be close
I was reading an article a couple of days ago w.r.t. people leaving NYC in large part b/c of the out-of-control taxes where high-income-earners are paying up to 13% combined state and city taxes (not to mention a combined city/state sales-tax of almost 9%); and it seems these same people still support the Dems that are causing them to leave in the first-place - SMCH
Biden to speak shortly. As I predicted, he will prematurely declare victory and look for the media to back him in this claim.
Wait? Did they do that today? Or are you just joking around?
Trump lawyers in court at 9am to challenge this. Biden declares “ all votes must count” ( even the fake ones ?).
This dragged out shit in PA and NC really sucks. This allows way too much time for shenanigans and controversy.
How shocking!!!
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But meanwhile Libertarians (and other third-party candidates) weren’t allowed to even participate in the debates, so I’ll go ahead and throw in my complaining about voter suppression while others are doing the same.
Last night, Wisconsin was leaning Trump but, in the dead of night, 138,000 Biden votes appeared out of nowhere. Similarly, Biden has a razor thin lead in Michigan with lots of questionable activity. Either of these states could give Trump a win after a legal challenge.
At some point, the media will unanimously declare Biden the winner and declare Trump is trying to steal the election by proceeding with justifiable legal challenges.
rickthelian thinks so.
Legit question - where are you seeing this? I’m mostly following blue news sites and probably missing it, but the dem message has been “wait until all the votes are counted.”
I would think both sides could agree (ha, fat chance) that the mail in ballots are likely to be in Biden’s favor. How much? That’s what the waiting is for. 🍿
The CA propositions I most cared about, are all going my way so far (prop 13 rollback on commercial properties, re-institution of affirmative action, gig workers as employees, rent control), although the first two are still a bit up in the air, the final two are decided.
There will be a point where Biden will claim he has 270 and the win. The media will rush in to support his claim. That will give a huge public opinion headwind to any efforts by Trump to pursue legal challenges.
The Democrats always counsel patience when they are behind but the instant they take the lead, they declare the time for patience is over.
Despite obfuscation by the media, these are all straightforward wins available with no legal challenges needed. He has the votes, even with the mail in ballot fraud that has been perpetrated.
https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2020/…
Random thoughts:
(*) The polling was inaccurate and the election was far closer than indicated by sites like 538 and The Economist. But it looks like Biden will win and that's the only thing people will remember about the polling.
(*) It's very disappointing to Democrats that the Senate is unlikely to flip (polling and simulations were incorrect here, too). Look for gridlock for at least the next two years. Those that find themselves destitute because of the pandemic may find that no further help is on the way. Forget about raising the corporate tax rate. I'm guessing the ACA will not be repealed by the supreme court -- but forget about Biden's plan to add a Medicare buy-in.
(*) After Trump launched his campaign under the premise that Mexicans are rapists and murderers, he won Florida and S. Texas from strong Hispanic support. Go figure. Puerto Ricans and Cubans voted for Trump under the ludicrous assumption that Biden is a socialist.
1. Mail-in ballot sent in by US Mail
2. Mail-in ballot put in a "drop box"
3. Mail-in ballot hand delivered to Division of Elections
4. "In person" vote on election day, which is a "paper provisional ballot" put into a sealed envelope (just like a mail-in ballot) and then delivered by poll workers to the Division of Elections, to be counted along with the regular mail-in ballots.
5. EXCEPTION: If you are handicapped in such a way that you are unable to fill out a mail-in or paper provisional, but you ARE able to use a machine (how is that even possible?) there were special machines available. I'm guessing that's maybe a dozen people statewide? No idea what that even means.
Counting of any type of ballot submission was not to be started until polls close. I was told that first-hand by the DOE help center. And for that reason, on-line tracking would not be updated from "received" to "accepted" until your ballot was processed.
In other words, EVERY BALLOT in the State of NJ was on paper (except handicapped, see above) and manual counting was not to begin until 8PM on election night. But by some kind of miracle, NJ was among the first states called as going for Biden, by a very wide margin, only a few minutes after polls closed.
As of 2:00 PM today, my ballot still shows as "received" (not "accepted"). Contacted five of my friends (who live in several different counties, so different groups of people/locations doing the processing/counting) and NOT ONE of them sees their on-line tracking updated to "accepted."
Anyone who can explain this... I'm all ears.
PA is one of the few (only?) states that do what you outlined -- no counting until polls closed.
Given that the blue-wave didn't necessarily happen - it was a close election, and it seems the GOP will hold the Senate and perhaps even pick up some seats in the House.
One can then argue it came down to being about Trump and it being a Trump vs Trump race - Trump had several things he could hang his hat on starting w/ the economy; foreign policy wins including the trade-deals; and running against a candidate that seemed out of it half the time and even had a big scandal (Hunter) right b/f the election - it may have come down to Trump's policy-wins vs Trump-hate and seems the latter may be about to win.
How do you get yer OTC discount deals?
Maybe it is time for another revolution.
Arizona is WAY too early to call. One million votes left and those are heavily Republican.
mark94 7 Hours Ago
Last night, Wisconsin was leaning Trump but, in the dead of night, 138,000 Biden votes appeared out of nowhere. Similarly, Biden has a razor thin lead in Michigan with lots of questionable activity.
So if a huge chunk of votes flood in for the GOP in Arizona, count them...but the votes that came in for Biden in Wisconsin, those "came out of nowhere"?
Wisconsin was at about 89% reported in the midnight-2am period on election night, and the outstanding vote yet to be counted was in Milwaukee.
Similarly, the outstanding vote in Michigan was in Wayne County (Detroit area). Unsure of the "questionable activity" being referenced there. That's black people in Detroit voting for Biden. It's not that complicated.
The GOP will retain the Senate. There shouldn't be any AOC-like Green New Deals or large-scale marxist garbage happening as long as that is the case.
This result will allow the GOP the possibility to regroup and run a capable candidate (maybe Hawley) in 2024 who has the intellectual capability to actually stop cultural marxism. Though it would be unsurprising if Trump ran again in 2024 against Kamala (a race he would almost surely win).
Four more years of a Kushner administration with Trump merely acting as a front man and sending inane tweets does not allow for that possibility. Ann Coulter has articulated the uselessness of Trump's circus act of a presidency better than most.
I'll admit I expected more of a wave. But y'all better watch Texas and Georgia or 2024 may be silly.
Yeah - unless the GOP regroups, they may have trouble having enough of a base - the population leak from California and New York is gonna cause issues in other states for Republicans (since it seems a lot of those folks keep their liberal views wherever they move)
I dunno James, the popular vote difference is less than 4% currently, which doesn't seem like an America-wide rejection. Trump is losing by a hair. The question I have is, why just a hair? What I think happened: the progressive left is so completely, outrageously out of control, that some number of centrists were vulnerable to having their fears played up about progressive control of Biden, held their nose and voted for Trump. The fact is, outside of the loony progressive left, no one thinks rioting and looting is justified in any way, no one wants to defund the police, no one wants statues pulled down, etc. Result, Biden probably squeaks by, Republicans probably keep the senate, democrats keep the house but their majority is reduced (and likely in for a real trimming in 2022). The loony left out wilding is the only thing that could have delivered this result
That likely had a significant effect - but I think the biggest effect was OMBS (Trump-hatred) - Trump delivered on two things that are typically big for politicians (a strong economy; and safety (in terms of the U.S. not being involved in any major wars)) - not to mention that Biden was not exactly a strong opponent nor seemed to have great enthusiasm behind him - for all intents and purposes, Trump was a bigger headwind for Trump than Biden was.
My fear is he has damaged the Republican party with moderate voters. There is going to have to be a period of regroup to rebuild credibility in the party again and put someone there that voters can get behind.
"My fear is he has damaged the Republican party with moderate voters."
That's what I was terrified of, but current voting results seem to indicate that's not the case, don't you think? And again, I think the loony left, social justice movement, etc get the credit for that. If they are emboldened by a Biden win, I think the center continues to be up for grabs.
What is still to be seen is how many of those absentee ballots are legitimate. In a normal election year I would say that 99.99% are legitimate but with the emotions and money involved this year who knows. I can see corrupt people in both parties forging absentee ballots so it may come down to which side did it more.
Gary Peters [D] is re-elected by about 60k vote margin
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7427…
I believe AP website has a similar article and list
In Missouri, they could start to count already received mail-in/absentee ballots at 7AM on ELECTION DAY. All ballots must be in the hands of county election board by 7PM election day to be counted.
There are a wealth of devices and techniques for those with various physical impairments to interact with a computer. Think of Stephen Hawking using a probe held between his teeth to activate points on a touchscreen. Foot pedals, large gamer-trackball devices adapted for handicapped, etc
As to the voting machine process vs hand-marked paper ballot - I used one 2yrs ago.
Used a mouse to mark selection. One race/office or ballot question per screen to avoid confusion. If I failed to make a choice on a particular screen the computer returned to that screen before allowing me to finish. You would have to mark a choice or deliberately mark a selection saying you did not wish to vote this issue or race. When finished with on-screen ballot but BEFORE my choices were recorded I was presented with a scrolling screen showing my completed ballot with option to 'correct' or 'accept' each choice. If not satisfied session could be nullified and new voting process started by poll worker.
After I verified my choices on-screen a PAPER RECEIPT, a little wider than a grocery store receipt, printed up a copy of my ballot choices. Signed off on paper receipt. Machine then recorded my ballot choices electronically with an ID keyed to the paper receipt and indicating key time date info of session. Receipt placed in envelope retained by election board as paper back-up of machine recorded ballot.
Took longer to explain here than complete.
So its possible to accommodate persons with physical impairments without compromising ballot integrity AND with a linked paper back-up.