Florida is OPEN!
gammanu95
My casual drinking is your alcohol poisoning.
Friday, September 25, 2020 11:07 AM
Hallelujah!
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/elliebufki…
Now we just the local muni governments to do their parts in getting hit bartenders, strippers, and extras girls back to work and in my lap.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/elliebufki…
Now we just the local muni governments to do their parts in getting hit bartenders, strippers, and extras girls back to work and in my lap.
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Hallelujah! indeed.
#dipshit
https://covidtracking.com/data/state/flo…
What have I been saying? Maybe, Gov. DeSantis is a secret TUSCL lurker. Maybe I am Gov. DeSantis? (Here's a little hint: I'm not.)
Gov. DeSantis will reach his term limit in 2026, so I'll say Haley-Crenshaw 2024 and Haley-DeSantis 2028.
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/indi…
As I said, you're celebrating the death the a lot more people.
Up to recently it seemed NJ clubs were mostly opened just outdoors and not sure when NY clubs opened but it's not as if they've been open all along and there's barely any NY reviews.
Shove your stats and studies up your stinky, BBC-loosened, herpes-scarred sphincter. Gov. DeSantis is doing the right thing, and the only two things you can do are get on board or go online and bitch.
I'm gonna get on board, and start making up for lost time with lappers and liquor.
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It's a very odd situation where acknowledging science, using masks, social distancing where possible, splits along party lines.
@GammaNu is not as annoying as some of the others here because, at least, he acknowledges that the virus threat is not overhyped compared to the flu. He just doesn't give a shit about anyone else if he doesn't get sick. It's the guys who deny the stats or who can't differentiate b/w an infection-fatality-RATE and a death toll who are especially annoying.
Any bets on when CA will reach this level?
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I thought the China Virus wasn’t political. Why not open up on Election Day?
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/indi…
Do you understand English? The blue line is labeled as a seven-day average of the percentage of positive tests at 11%. That's number is twice the national average. That's the figure-of-merit that everyone cares about. That's why it's highlighted in blue.
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A "daily number" is not a percentage. The graph has the absolute number on the left axis and the percentage on the right. You're not reading the graph correctly.
You're making an idiot out of yourself.
What a dipshit, @Warrior.
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Got it, you didn't see the graph has an axis on the left and the right and you're too fucking small to admit your error.
The graph presents "Daily Total tests" and "Daily positive tests" as bar graphs in orange. The left axis marked as an absolute number (eg. 20K, 40K, 60K). Dividing the "daily positive tests" by the "Daily total tests" and averaging gives the blue line, which is the positivity rate that everyone cares about. Use the right axis to read the percentage of positive tests. Florida is currently sitting at 11% positivity rate whereas the country as a whole is at 5%.
You can always tell when someone doesn't know what they're talking about because they spew some names and disappear.
Anyone? Lol
The FL 7 day average positivity rate is currently below 5%.
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience…
All of this is happening within a backdrop of a fraction of the per capita deaths that NY and NJ experienced. Who wants to be in CA, NY or NJ right now, with lockdown measures still in effect, state budgets that show downright insolvency, lots of kids who are still not back in school and Governors who are determined to continue this shit show for as long as possible?
This video tells you that it is nothing but political.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nDgy-Vj…
We can shut down for the next year, kill many businesses and lives of individuals but this virus is going to be around.
Scientists have a way of making numbers seem convincing to people who are easily manipulated.
I've worked around doctors pretty much all my life. I respect them but won't let them tell me how I should live my personal life. To be honest, I've met some doctors that are more crackpot than some of the people on this board.
Numbers are good for looking at trends but they shouldn't dictate an individual's life. That decision is up to the individual. If someone feels threatened then they should stay home. Don't tell me I should live in a cave because that is your decision.
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I took a look at your source. You can tell me if you agree: the Johns Hopkins data shows about 140K tests per week whereas your source shows about 400K tests per week. Why are the raw numbers so vastly different? Whatever the discrepancy, it has nothing to do with a "re-interpretation." As a guess, I wouldn't be surprised if your FL source is including serology antibody tests, which should not be included in the calculation.
Calling the data "meaningless" is your assessment of the finest teaching hospital and researches in the US (Johns Hopkins). Lol, "someone else's re-interpretation."
But I give you credit being able to read the graphs -- unlike @Warrior who, like a fifth-grader, can't seem to understand the different scales on the left- and right-hand side of the plot.
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We'll see how ut plays out.. If Desantis is lucky the rise in deaths will occur after the election.
John Hopkins admitted to making internal adjustments, which they have not made transparent. So you are relying upon bad data.
As DeSantis rightly said, we cannot operate from a fetal position forever. NY and CA could draw a valuable lesson from that, at least if their populations were not so prone to panic that the politicians feel boxed in.
Lmfao! That is a great Randumbmember impression.
Of course it isn’t. It’s a stupid and easily manipulated data point to be using to make any kind of decision. If you want your infection rate to go down you increase the pool of those likely to test negative and if you want the percentage to go up you limit testing to only those exhibiting symptoms or suspected exposure.
And there’s the rub. Right now the misplaced emphasis on increased testing is a waste of time, money and resources which at the very least produces nothing of value. With the now known data it is easy to fairly accurately extrapolate the number of infections per a given population without having to test the wider population. In addition those testing negative are only known to be negative for that snap shot in time so again it is a hugely wasted effort.
And my personal bitch, right now international travel is back on the table as more and more countries are opening their borders. Most countries (but not all) have a requirement that travelers arrive with a negative PCR test usually no older than 48 – 72 hours. I have no problem with that and think it is a legitimate though hardly foolproof measure to screen travelers. The reality where I’m at is that the idiot Mussolini wanna be Governor keeps pushing for more and more meaningless testing so no one can guarantee (not for any amount of money) that I can get tested and have the results back in my hands in less than four days. Even places like Quest Diagnostics that normally do onsite testing and lab work have closed their doors for testing because they are overwhelmed in the lab processing tests from hospitals and clinics and Covid 19 testing sites.
Activity is NOT purpose. Fucking ignorant assholes are not being helpful. They are in the way. Good on Florida’s Governor for no longer allowing ignorant “journalists” and uneducated office boys to drive the train.
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Yes, it's a meaningful statistic. The CDC and WHO use the positivity rate as a crude rule-of-thumb to decide when it's safe to end lockdowns. Usually 5%. Johns Hopkins has the FL positive rate at 11% whereas Dugan's site lists under 5%.
The huge difference is, of course, suspicious and there's no way to get into the weeds to see how Hopkins filters and scrubs the data. I know from personal experience (a family member) that Hopkins has some of the most competent researchers on the planet.
It's very @Dugan-esque for him to state that his site is more reliable than Hopkins without any justification. Reminds me of Dugan's March post from the WSJ that the death toll would be no worse than a bad flu season. Then he trashed the very same study after we more than tripled that death rate.
FL is opening too soon with daily deaths averaging about 100 and the positivity rate at 11% The spike in deaths will come, maybe after the election -- and that's what you get with a Trump sycophant like Desantis.
But to your John Hopkins website. I have to admit, I didn't even look at that graph last night. I was totally familiar with the website that rickdugan posted so I was confident in my numbers. But now after looking at their website, their numbers are not accurate. Not even close. What Dugan posted was the State of Florida reporting. That is what the state actually reports every day to the CDC. Those numbers are accurate. The number of tests given each day on the John Hopkins data is not correct. Their graph is showing that 20-25,000 tests are being givene each day. There are actually 50-70,000 tests given each day in Florida. So you are correct in reading their charts. But their charts are not accurate. The % positive in Florida has been below 5% for a couple of weeks now. There 11% number is not accurate because they are not reporting the correct number of tests given. Not even close.
The first are the observations of a man living in Sweden:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/joy-freedom-w…
The second is a woman traveling to South Korea to visit her parents:
https://news.yahoo.com/trip-south-korea-…
I’m in agreement with @doctorevil. Life is for living and I’ll take “freedom” and happiness over “big brother”, slavery and misery especially when the risk is so incredibly low.
"But go back a few months and look at where all the tough talk was. Go back six months. Courage shows itself when the outcome is in doubt. Think about it."
OK. I thought about it. I still don't know what the hell you are talking about.
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Lol, got it @warrior and I'm in favor of anything that allows you to save face avoid humiliation in front of the rest of the group.
It is good to be a Floridian.
- Positivity rates are trending down well under 5%;
- Hospitals are wide open with very few COVID cases;
- Mortality rates are trending down and are limited primarily to people on death's doorstep anyway;
- Kids have been back in school for over a month now;
- Unemployment is back down to 7.4% and should go down even more with the Phase 3 re-opening;
- Localities cannot fine people for mask issues, which inevitably hurts the poorest people anyway;
- OUR STRIP CLUBS ARE OPEN AND FULLY RUNNING IN MOST PARTS OF THE STATE.
And for those sissies who make panicky prognostications about about what the future may hold, our Governor has made it clear that we are not going back to lockdowns again - Hallelujah. Here in FL we rely upon grown adults to make their own choices about what risks they are willing to take and if infection rates rise again, we will weather it with more sanity than existed the first time. We know enough about this thing now to know that it is not especially deadly for a large bulk of the population and we also know how to protect those who are at higher risk.
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"Florida puts a positive spin on COVID-19 data, misleading the public on pandemic"
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus…
"The result: As coronavirus cases again threaten to rise in Florida, with schools and businesses fully open, it is becoming increasingly difficult to answer a simple question: What percentage of people tested positive for COVID-19 on any given day — and are we justified in going about our business without worry? Or did Gov. Ron DeSantis put people at risk when he allowed businesses to return to normal?
“Doing what we’re doing now, I think positivity numbers are just about useless, because it’s completely opaque who is getting tested and why,” said Thomas Hladish, a scientist at the University of Florida’s Emerging Pathogens Institute who has done pandemic modeling for the Florida Department of Health.
“It absolutely does lull people into a false sense of security,” said Rebekah Jones, a former Florida coronavirus data scientist who was fired in early May for alleged insubordination, after claiming the state had encouraged her to fudge statistics. Jones now publishes her own coronavirus statistics."
The reality is that FL residents, on the whole, are far more educated about the numbers than the more panicky types in places like NY and CA. That includes CDC rates, local hospital capacity stats and, yes, how the positivity rate is calculated in FL. In part that is a credit to a Governor that routinely communicates to the public in long press conferences where these numbers are discussed in detail, but it is also because of the Sunshine Act, which makes virtually every record collected or tabulated by any government entity in FL available to the public. Heck even our voter registration records are public.
I can't read past the paywall, but I'm guessing that somewhere in there is a reference to the seriously flawed methodology used by Johns Hopkins, which ignores the passage of time and treats a repeat tester as if he/she is no longer part of the general population. It's crap science and bad math.
Since our state has been open for months, we have seen COVID circulate and the fear levels simply aren't there anymore. Knowledge is power and the more we understand something, the more we can take a rational approach to managing it.
You've been wrong, consistently, every step of the way.
In fairness, hopkins is switching to a model suggested by the WHO. That will reduce the positivity rate somewhat