Jacksonville strip clubs fight to lower dancer age to 18

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shadowcat
Atlanta suburb
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. – Some Florida strip club owners are lobbying to lower the age limit for dancers from 21 to 18-years-old, calling the current age requirement unconstitutional.

A lawyer representing 13 clubs and four dancers in Jacksonville argued before a federal judge that dancing is a form of expression protected under the First Amendment.

“This is just a ban on speech,” attorney Gary Edinger said.

The city law currently bans dancers under the age of 21 and was passed in an effort to reduce sex trafficking. The measure also requires dancer to have ID city-issued cards.

City attorneys said younger people are more susceptible to the coercion that’s often part of trafficking and argued that 21 is a safer age.

During Friday’s hearing U.S. District Judge Timothy Corrigan repeatedly asked about the trade-off between personal rights and pubic interests.

“When you start telling adults what they can and can’t do, you’ve got to bring the goods. These are people who can vote, they can go into the service,” the judge said.


The Florida Times-Union reports the parties are also arguing over whether issuing ID cards to the dancers as a kind of work permit could be justified as a legal form of prior restraint on dancers who would otherwise have a right to perform.

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Warrior15
4 years ago
I can see the clubs motivation. It opens up the available inventory of girls willing to dance. But I for one don't mind the age requirement at 21. I like to be naughty, but getting a dance from an 18 year old just seems perverted. And part of the experience is talking to the girls. Have you tried to have a conversation with an 18 year old lately. ?
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mike710
4 years ago
You don't have to talk to an 18 year old if she smothers you with her boobies in VIP
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Icey
4 years ago
They'll give up their liquor licenses.....
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rattdog
4 years ago
18-19 year olds are great!!! if they know you're going to spend they get down to business. they do what they do to get you off, you pay, they take. done. no extensive chit chat required before and after.

i get a feeling that sometimes they are actually more happy than you are when they get that money. you can see it on their faces.
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rattdog
4 years ago
why would a club give up its liquor license? just don't hire any girls under 21 to work there. and if they did hire pasties on nipples and wristbands probably would suffice.
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mike710
4 years ago
There are nude clubs with alcohol in Pasco County that hire 18 year old girls. I got a dance from one a year ago. She showed me vacation pics with her mom in Vegas. She was very hot and did a nice dance.
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rattdog
4 years ago
just wondering - was the mom hot? i'm probably older than the mom by at least 10 years.
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mike710
4 years ago
Mom was pretty hot. Vegas was kind of a bummer place for her to go at 18 but she said she enjoyed it. It was mom's high school graduation present to her.
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Papi_Chulo
4 years ago
Not into the young dancers but as far as I'm concerned the more dancers the better:

1) some of these girls have been fucking since 14; might as well make some $$$ from it

2) if they are old enough to go fight in war they are old enough to sell ass
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Jascoi
4 years ago
in california and nevada. 18 can dance in a nude club.
at palimino (vegas) 18 can dance even though alcohol is served.
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Eve
4 years ago
I'm not wild about having to get an ID card, but I haven't been back to dancing locally enough to ask when exactly they're going to start enforcing it. Someone told me September, another said by the start of the new year. It was supposed to start before COVID wrecked havoc on everything, but it got delayed.

" if they are old enough to go fight in war they are old enough to sell ass"

AND you can do porn as soon as you turn 18 (amateur or professional) - a huge step above stripping, in my opinion. Not every producer/company is a good-willed, but they don't bump the age requirement to 21 just because they think older actresses will have less run-ins with those types.
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Muddy
4 years ago
That like half of your potential dancers right there. Let em strip!
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rickdugan
4 years ago
I particularly hope that the ID requirement gets thrown out. If you look at the laundry list of offenses that they can use to deny or suspend an ID, it's an insidious step towards clamping down on the clubs altogether, especially the lewd act stuff. They write tickets for that all the time during raids, but now they would be able to kick any girl who receives one of those ridiculous tickets out of J'ville clubs altogether.
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busta_nut
4 years ago
The continued problems and attempts at age restrictions in Jax started when the new head of Vice, black female, took over.. She is trying to put her stamp on how clubs are run and put the others out of business. The age restriction was a smokescreen because of Sex trafficking... makes no fning sense. Serious crackdown on Street Walkers and escorts.. The raids and ID cards are an excuse to build a data base on the girls because in the last 2 years several SW and dancers (know druggies) turned up dead. During the raids they took photos of tattoos, etc , personal info under the guise to help identify victims. The ID- license, would also allow them to be tracked from club to club and generate revenue. There was also a waiting period to get the ID which had to be issue at the Police Dept.. this also effectively kept traveling dancers away or those curious about trying out the pole.
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Icey
4 years ago
All nude clubs hire 18 year olds coz they figure thats a bigger draw than alcohol sales. Topless clubs may not be as lucky.

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nicespice
4 years ago
Interesting. A lot of clubs I know, as it is, really don’t like hiring under 21 year olds, because of the liability of a club getting raided and a dancer discovered as drinking underage. More than once I’ve shown my ID to manager when trying out for a club, and he breathes a sigh of relief.

It seems Jacksonville has a lot of colleges though? Are a lot of dancers students or something and that’s why club owners are fighting for 18+ ?
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nicespice
4 years ago
That whole ID card to dancer thing seems like bs. Hope it doesn’t go through.
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rickdugan
4 years ago
===> "It seems Jacksonville has a lot of colleges though? Are a lot of dancers students or something and that’s why club owners are fighting for 18+ ?"

Lol. I doubt I've met five 18-20 y.o. dancers in J'ville over the last 8 years who were actually in a full time college program, excluding a few girls who were going to hair dressing and Cosmetology schools.

Much more likely is that they want to protect their supply of fresh young talent flowing from Jacksonville and Palatka high schools into the clubs. Now it often doesn't happen immediately after graduation, but rather once the girls are 6 months to a year removed from school and the reality of real life has started sinking in. Though I did once meet an early bloomer who was dancing while she was still in her senior year.
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nicespice
4 years ago
^ Makes sense.

What do you think it comes down to then, in your opinion? The girls visibly age faster/more prone to significant weight gain over there? Or girls who stick with dancing are more likely to move to other cities? If you had to make a guess.
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rickdugan
4 years ago
Nice, I really don't get to know most of the 18-20 year olds well enough to know why the turnover in that category is so high. I'm sure that some do move to more lucrative cities if they take to dancing, but for most I suspect it's simple burnout.

I read somewhere once that the average lifespan of a stripper career is 6 months. For every 10 girls that start dancing at a young age, I suspect that only 1-2 are still doing it a year later. Hence the need for a fresh pipeline of young new talent.
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Jascoi
4 years ago
in california and nevada. 18 can dance in a nude club.
at palimino (vegas) 18 can dance even though alcohol is served.
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Jascoi
4 years ago
disregard my latest post. accidentally hit the big ass post comment button.
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gammanu95
4 years ago
I'm not in agreement with the idea that 18 is the age of majority, but some items are reserved for 21. Either you are an adult who can emancipate from your parents, act with personal agency, enlist in the armed forces, gamble, smoke, drink, vote, strip, and fuck at age 18; or you are not until age 21.

I don't care which age politicians choose, but just choose one for fuck's sake.
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Papi_Chulo
4 years ago
I think the sticking point is alcohol being served and the drinking age being 21
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oscarlomax
4 years ago
Someone alluded to the ABC laws which have to do with alcohol liscensing (sp) in California strip clubs. In nude clubs alcohol cannot be served and the dancers can be 18. In a topless club, alcohol can be served and the dancers have to be 21.

It's interesting the way state laws differ and what kind of pressure can be put on the legal system to adjust these laws for the sake of profit.
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blahblahblah23
4 years ago
I can see why clubs would be paranoid about under 21s drinking at clubs. I've seen a lot of that and sometimes wonder how they still have a liquor license. I guess the owners are just lucky nobody is trying to bust their clubs.
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