Absurd martyrdom of George Floyd
rickdugan
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Ok, let me start this by saying that nobody should die from a police restraint. What happened to him was absurd and inexcusable. Also, as a libertarian by nature, I think that a roll back of police powers is long overdue as they have become way too militarized and "us vs. them" over the past 20 years.
But let's not nominate this scumbag for any sort of sainthood. His rap sheet includes drug abuse, theft, criminal trespassing, aggravated robbery as well as entering a woman’s home and pointing a gun at her stomach while looking for drugs and money. Even during the incident he was being arrested for trying to pass off a counterfeit $20 and he was out of his mind on fentanyl and meth.
This was a nasty and dangerous dude. When the police rolled up on him, they were dealing with a man who was acting deranged and quickly found out what he was. Now again, that does not excuse what those cops did whatsoever, but just provides a little more context.
I also have to imagine that, given the drug cocktail in his system and the initial autopsy results of cardiac arrest, how prosecutors are going to be able to make a clean case for cause of death.
So while I am all in favor of dramatic police reform, let's not pretend that he was anything but a piece of shit who caused a lot of harm in his life, I'm guessing including plenty of crimes that he got away with.
But let's not nominate this scumbag for any sort of sainthood. His rap sheet includes drug abuse, theft, criminal trespassing, aggravated robbery as well as entering a woman’s home and pointing a gun at her stomach while looking for drugs and money. Even during the incident he was being arrested for trying to pass off a counterfeit $20 and he was out of his mind on fentanyl and meth.
This was a nasty and dangerous dude. When the police rolled up on him, they were dealing with a man who was acting deranged and quickly found out what he was. Now again, that does not excuse what those cops did whatsoever, but just provides a little more context.
I also have to imagine that, given the drug cocktail in his system and the initial autopsy results of cardiac arrest, how prosecutors are going to be able to make a clean case for cause of death.
So while I am all in favor of dramatic police reform, let's not pretend that he was anything but a piece of shit who caused a lot of harm in his life, I'm guessing including plenty of crimes that he got away with.
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BTW Biden is up almost 15 percentage points in the poll of polls. Way to go
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The issue is not about the person's past but about EVERYONE having equal rights and protection from police brutality.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/23/politics/…
It’s sort of reminds me of that song strange fruit.
I do believe this country has way too many laws and drugs should be decriminalized.
But, hey, what do I know? I'm an upper income middle aged white guy (AKA the devil) that presumably has lived a privileged life even though it felt like I had to bust my ass for everything I have.
But there's a singular narrative that's now being shoved down America's throat with no room for any other opinions and even more important no room for certain facts less you're automatically singled out as insensitive or a good-ole racist and IMO there seems to be growing anger at resentment at what has subsequently transpired which can lead to a backlash
It’s timing - and the prevalence of video - that have elevated his status. He’s the current favorite of the left. The cop who murdered him - is the current national villain.
I hope meaningful change comes from this horrific video death. It’s possible. I only say that because I’ve seen several completely white marches - in affluent NJ communities. Without the old, wealthy, white folks, it’s difficult to make those changes.
From what I can tell the "it's our way or the highway" approach to protests in the past going back to the 60s hasn't had much lasting results - when one tries to win an argument by force they're not really winning the argument they're just intimidating folks into compliance for the time being.
>mrorange: Rickberge - No one, not one single person on this board, or anyone I know personally, or any TV reporter from ANY station, has tried to "rationalize" the death of George Floyd.
I'm pretty sure I am the only person who has questioned how much sympathy I should have for Floyd and it was because of his PRESENT action of driving a vehicle under the influence of drugs endangering people. But Chauvin was still wrong and deserves to be prosecuted.
Some of your comments made me remember this quote:
“My brother once told me that nothing someone says before the word “but” really counts” ~ Benjen Stark
Just saying...
This incident was just the tipping point in where we seen a man's life pass way right in front of our eyes. The protest are not just about George Floyd but about police brutality among blacks. The media always try to change the narrative, and one way to do that is to bring up the person's character which shouldn't even be an issue.
“David Dorn spent his life trying to make his community better. He did youth outreach on top of being a respected police Captain. He tried to defend his friends livelihood and was murdered for it. As he lay on the street dying no one helped him. Instead, they streamed his dying moments on Facebook Live. There’s no $13 million GoFundMe for his family nor can they file a civil lawsuit against the city and state to add to their burgeoning coffers. No golden casket and nationally televised memorial service for him. No murals splattered across the country for him, cannonizing him into sainthood. Floyd Mayweather didn’t pay for his service. Joe Biden didn’t meet with his family. Celebrities didn’t come to shed crocodile tears for a man they didn’t know. No one is protesting over his death. Instead, his 5 children are without a father, his 10 grandchildren the same but also without a role model that can offer them invaluable wisdom and guidance. His colleagues and community members that knew him will mourn but a nations tears won’t shed for this man. I guess not all Black Lives Matter.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kmov.co…
Then don't resist arrest and comply to orders and you'll get that treatment. Almost all these cases involve resisting arrest or not complying to orders.