Massages vs Lap Dances
Wednesday, July 4, 2007 3:03 AM
BACKGROUND INFORMATION: My 35 year old daughter works as a Senior Administrative Representative for an educational institute that specializes in medical billing, medical assistant, and massage therapy.
The student massage practitioners must perform 25 massages prior to graduation. Therefore, the institute allows these practitioners to perform full body (exception of genital areas of course) massages for the public. A half hour session costs $15 and an hour session costs $25.
These massages are given at the institute and behind closed curtains, the type you would find in a hospital emergency room.
Over the past few weeks, I have had the opportunity to obtain one or two of these massages a week. Besides theraputically ehancing for muscle tone, I find myself being erotically aroused during the massage, although the genital areas are not be touched.
I'm beginning to enjoy these massages more than lap dances and they are much cheaper.
My questions are: If you were in this similar circumstance....
1) Would you back off or taper down on clubbing & get more massages?
2) Would you continue the massages in hopes of the student going a bit beyond expectations?
The student massage practitioners must perform 25 massages prior to graduation. Therefore, the institute allows these practitioners to perform full body (exception of genital areas of course) massages for the public. A half hour session costs $15 and an hour session costs $25.
These massages are given at the institute and behind closed curtains, the type you would find in a hospital emergency room.
Over the past few weeks, I have had the opportunity to obtain one or two of these massages a week. Besides theraputically ehancing for muscle tone, I find myself being erotically aroused during the massage, although the genital areas are not be touched.
I'm beginning to enjoy these massages more than lap dances and they are much cheaper.
My questions are: If you were in this similar circumstance....
1) Would you back off or taper down on clubbing & get more massages?
2) Would you continue the massages in hopes of the student going a bit beyond expectations?
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Right now, I'm getting weekly massages at a rate of $43 per hour from two graduated students who have opened up their part time massage business. Nothing outside normal massages has occurred as of yet, and I am not about to ask either, as I don't want to embarrase them nor I.
The saga continues.....
My ATF is a massage therapist, but she lives 1200 miles away so I don't have the opportunity to get massages from her very often. And I used to have a therapist nearby who I really liked who worked out of her home, but she moved away. Since then I haven't found anyone I like nearby.
There's a massage school not too far from me that I've thought about trying, but my ATF says I wouldn't like it because at her school there is no privacy (you have to keep your undershorts on), the massages are given in front of the class and you have no control over who gives it. Sounds like that's not the case at your school.
Incidently, if you're hoping for a happy ending someday you're likely to be disappointed. These schools really emphasize not doing anything sexual and most of the girls strongly agree. My ATF would get very angry if I ever suggested it. It's a huge no-no for most massage therapists, at least those with licenses. States vary in that regard.
I just got a two-hour massage ($86 + $14 tip) from my regular practitioner's partner, which happens to be her cousin. This 27 year old girl has long wavy red hair, a nice body (from her appearance), and is 'unhappily' married. My first massage from her was 'so-so', no hanky panky, & no attempts from me to get it going. However, I took her out to lunch afterward to a bar/grill, a few doors down from her office, which she said she hangs out at on weekends. I plan to meet her there tomorrow night for a couple of drinks. Either way, I'm not planning on anything happening, especially a B/F - G/F relationship. She's too damn young.
chipitin - Been there, done that, and continuing to do it. The club dancers really enjoy our customer massages, and yes, sometimes our massaging them does lead to better lap dances.
Anyway, I have an appointment Saturday morning with a student practitioner at the school. She game a great 'erotic' but non-sexual massage for me last Saturday...usual $25!
If anyone is interested in cheap, but good deep muscle type full body (with exceptions of course) massages in your area, just look up schools or institutions that provide massage thearapy courses, as they usually provide (in-call) massages very cheaply. You'll usually be required to rate their massage too, for school purposes.
For me a massage is more enjoyable if I am able to feel some sort of connection between the two of us, and that's far more likely if I'm with someone who I find attractive in one way or another. A massage by its very nature is a pretty intimate experience, and I enjoy intimacy much more if there's some mental or spiritual component. Case in point - my most recent massage was by an older Russian woman who spoke broken English - there was no possibility of any sort of connection between us and I didn't enjoy it much. My last regular therapist (not my ATF) wasn't especially attractive but she was very fit and she was very personable, intelligent and interesting, and I got to know her quite well. Unfortunately she moved away, which is why I'm looking for someone new.
I've never had a sensual or sexual massage. Nor have I ever gotten sexually aroused during a massage, that's not what it's about for me.
I don't get massages, but the times I've needed a chiropractor, I couldn't care less whether it was a man or a woman as long as they treated the pain I was in. It turned out to be a big, strong Dutch guy who got the job done. Friends I've talked to about getting massages have the same attitude and usually prefer a male masseuse. Your attitude sounds closer to that of Bones, who admits to his sexual interest. Or to guys who like Hooters because they think the waitresses are cute or sexy, even though nothing overtly sexual may happen between them.
There are actually two entirely different aspects to a massage: medical and spiritual. I prefer a massage that doesn't feel like a medical procedure but that feels more like a spiritual experience - more relaxation and less therapeutic. Which is why I'd never go to a chiropractor's office for a message. But that's me, others may have a different preference.
And you're right, I do feel the same way about LDs. The best ones for me always include both a physical connection and a spiritual (or mental-emotional if you prefer) one. It's a big reson why I prefer having a regular, I enjoy it much more if I can get to know the person on some level. And yes I am somewhat New Age in my beliefs, as I'm sure you know.
But I'm curious about something you said earlier - how do you judge a person's competence in a technical field (like a massage therapist or dental assistant) in which you have had no training? Seems to me most people judge primarily by the person's personality, which is what I do and what you objected to. What other possibilities are there?
My current dental assistant is all business. And, the way my teeth look and feel after cleaning I would rate her an A+. Is she a turn on? No, but I've got strip clubs for that. Would I like to be squeezing her breasts as she is cleaning? I don't know about that---having my teeth cleaned isn't my idea of fun. I'd rather she just focus on clean clean clean and not be at all distracted.
In answer to your broader question, I rate how well a service is performed by the results. I don't usually concern myself with all the details of how the results were achieved. That's often why I get somebody else to do it. But I don't even know why I'm explaining this - I thought it was as common as putting on your socks before your shoes.
I remember one dancer always wanted me to rub her back. A couple of times she even had me go back to the lap dance room with her to massage her back because she wanted to tank off her top. Her bra strap or back was in the way. Apparently she needed massaging a little closer to her breasts too since she had me move my hands closer. The same girl liked to sit on my lap to warm up when she was cold. If every dancer was like her, I wouldn't have hardly any time to get any dances. Having her sit on my lap or in between my legs was kind of enjoyable. I didn't offer to rub her back one time. She kept getting me to just do it. You might think I studied massage therapy as often as I got requested to do it. I remember several years ago, one dancer asked me to massage her feet. I wasn't really into that but she talked me into it. I like getting the massage much better.
1. Physiotherapy at a hospital. The providers (heh, is that the word?) were all quite physically attractive and I did try to flirt and pick them up but I guess I didn't get anywhere because they were all business. We did half-hour with ultrasound and joint manipulation. Sex did not ensue. :(
2. Athletic massage. I've had everyone from hairy beefy Gunther the german spritz und therma-bad man, to a bubbly bouncy naked girl I knew I was going to fuck because she gave "massage plus extras" for $150 an hour. Sex did ensue with the bubbly bouncy naked girl, and did not with Gunther, thank goodness! :) There are about six varieties of this category -- Rolfing, Swedish, Shiatsu (true non-sexual), Deep Tissue, etc. -- and each has its supposed function in revitalizing or improving performance or something.
3. Massage from a civilian girlfriend or female pal. Usually the girls I have "dated" in civilian life (you know, taken to go fly kites in the park, that sort of shit) have at some point or other traded back-rubs with me. On long trips with groups (particularly as an undergrad) we traded back-rubs with one another, too, sometimes as flirtatious prelude to attempting sexual/romantic hook-up. These can be of dreadful or wonderful quality, and can lead to sex or not, depending entirely on the girl and the situation.
4. Nice deep massage as part of pre-sexual pampering. Generally I receive this at an "AMP" (Asian Massage Parlor) in concert with a table-shower. The girl takes you to a tile room with a vinyl couch and washes you (some teasing touches), then takes you to a crib room and massages you. Depending on the girl, this can be wonderful or annoying. The massage slowly transmogrifies into more touching, and eventually after some preliminaries (and the application of condom) the act takes place.
5. Massage as relief. This too can happen at an AMP. You pay less (either inadvertently or deliberately) and you receive body rub-down (same possibilities of enjoyment or annoyance) and then willie gets his own rub-down too. The Asian (Japanese?) term "shiatsu" means "stress relief," I have heard. I often received this from non-Asian providers at massage spas in the near-north of Toronto when I lived there, it was the "going norm" for that sort of place in the 1990s.
There is also:
0. The non-massage. Received when you attend a place which advertises itself as a "massage parlor" (or "lingerie modeling studio") but no massage is offered. Rather, you get right down to it.
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9999. Tantric. This is (technically) a vaguely Hindu sexual practice which involves massaging parts of the body to "release energies." In the West we have bastardized the term to mean something like, "sexual provision by means of manual release while weird music is playing and incense is burning and the provider is a total flake who talks about energy flow and pressure points." Then she gets you off. :P
I have found that, aside from categories 1 and 2 above (physiotherapy and legitimate massage) the chances of getting a good and effective rub-down of muscles and joints is about 50/50, depending on the person giving the massage. Some people just don't get the concept. I am told that I give a very good massage, though sometimes too harsh (usually by weak fat women, so there's no love lost), and that I am an expert at feet. Evidently playing soccer all those years did something for me. I have family members who simply cause immediate pain by grasping muscles in exactly the least preferred manner and "charlie horse" pinching them to the point that a week of nerve-damaged immobility instantly ensues. Do not allow them to give massages!
Book Guy, I agree with you that one's perception is what determines whether you think the performance is good or bad. And the personality and appearance of the provider has a lot to do with your perception. You're almost always going to think more highly of someone if they have a friendly professional manner, take pride in their appearance and seem to care about you. That's true whether you're getting a massage or a LD.
Provided the lady is attractive to you, and talented at the necessary skills of massage, blowjob, sex, of course.