OT: Well - this doesn't sound good

Papi_Chulo
Miami, FL (or the nearest big-booty club)
To retire at 65, millennials will need to save nearly half of their paycheck

If you think the standard recommendation of putting 15% of your paycheck toward retirement is impossible to achieve, get ready for an even bigger hurdle. At least one retirement expert thinks that number should be much higher.

Millennials should aim to set aside nearly half of their income for the future, according to Olivia S. Mitchell, professor of insurance/risk management and business economics & public policy, and executive director of Wharton’s Pension Research Council at the University of Pennsylvania. If you want to live off even half of your final salary in retirement, you need to save 40% of your income over the next 30 years, she says.

That calculation, which is based on academic research from an MIT economist, takes into account a few assumptions. The biggest is that you want to retire at 65. That’s not much of a stretch: About a third of millennials say they expect to retire between the ages of 65 and 69, according to a recent T. Rowe Price survey. However, 43% of millennials say they actually expect to retire earlier.

Yet about half of millennials are planning to contribute less than 6% of their income to a 401(k) this year, the T. Rowe Price survey found. Only about one in five is currently saving more than 15% of their income.

The second major assumption is that investment returns over the next few decades aren’t going to match the roughly 10% historical returns Americans have enjoyed previously.

“Most people are not told by financial advisors that their future returns will likely be much lower than in the past, and their future taxes will likely be much higher,” Mitchell tells CNBC Make It.

Other experts agree. The economists at investing giant Vanguard predict that, over the next 10 years, annual U.S. stock market returns will likely average 3% to 5%. When you factor in inflation — which, luckily, Vanguard predicts will be below 2% — the real rate of return is expected to be under 3%.

Morningstar Investment Management predicts an even more meager return: 1.8% over the next 10 years for U.S. stocks, before adjusting for inflation. Meanwhile, perhaps the most pessimistic outlook comes from Boston-based asset management firm GMO, which expects real returns of -3.6% for U.S. large-cap stocks and -1% for small-cap stocks.

It’s also worth noting that the 40% retirement savings rate calculation does not take into account Social Security’s looming shortfall. If Congress does nothing, the agency’s funds will only be able to pay out about 80% by 2025. But many experts are betting that reforms will happen.


If you can’t increase your savings, you need to change the math

If saving almost half of your salary is not an option, what can you do to make sure your retirement fund is on track? You need to play with the math you have control over. Market returns may be out of your control, but when you plan to retire is more manageable.

In general, Americans — especially millennials — will need to work longer and claim Social Security later. “Benefits from Social Security are 76% higher if you claim at age 70 versus 62, which can substitute for a lot of extra savings,” Mitchell says.

If you’re able, don’t retire, Mitchell says. “If you can keep working, do so. If you can’t work full-time, work part-time. Every little bit helps.”

With the current unemployment rate the lowest it’s been in decades, Mitchell adds that this is a great time for older folks to get jobs. Of course, it does depend on a potential employee’s skill set. People should continue investing in their skills well beyond 45 or 50, she says.

“If you aren’t computer trained, or have rusty computer skills, go out and learn the skills and keep sharpening them to be employable,” Mitchell says. And don’t forget community colleges and other groups that are keen to train you.

In addition to your job skills, you’ll also need to maintain your health. Just over a third of Americans are forced into retirement sooner than they’d planned, many because of health setbacks.

The most important thing is to invest in your health when you’re young and middle-aged, Mitchell says, adding that a healthy lifestyle includes not smoking or drinking too much and getting a lot of sleep. “Invest in your older self when you’re younger,” she says.

Beyond simply planning to work longer, Mitchell says more Americans may need to consider purchasing an annuity as they get older. Although these products have been criticized by many experts for their high fees and opaque sales practices, Mitchell says she prefers deferred annuities because they are one of the few products available that take some of the uncertainty out of the equation and provide some protection to those who are living longer.

“These are true longevity insurance and will help generate a steady income when you’re probably not able to work any longer,” she says.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/23/millenni…

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  • Papi_Chulo
    5 years ago
    This is the part I found troubling;

    "... The economists at investing giant Vanguard predict that, over the next 10 years, annual U.S. stock market returns will likely average 3% to 5%. When you factor in inflation — which, luckily, Vanguard predicts will be below 2% — the real rate of return is expected to be under 3% ..."

    Of course it's only a prediction not a fact but not what one wants to hear if trying to invest for a decent nest-egg in retirement
  • san_jose_guy
    5 years ago
    You have found one of the absurdities of our society! And promoting stock market bubbles should not be a function of government or public economic policy.

    Money put into the stock market and real estate helps no one. Where as money used to start your own ventures, or money just spent, or monies not obtained due to accepting less pay or less hours, or earlier retirement, are good.

    Better if people could and would just rely on the government, getting their retirement needs met from real time tax revenue.

    Social Security was supposed to work like that. Though I don't think it was clear that one should be able to live off of just Social Security.

    Need to get it like that. UBI would do that, if backed by a strong public housing offering and by Medicare for all.

    One way of transitioning to UBI would be to first make it kick in at some advanced age, and then progressively lowering that age.

    Psychologists say that the number 1 fear of millenials is that they won't be able to save enough money to retire. Their fear is reasonable. But that we let our society get this way is nuts.


    And just a question, should this thread be Front Room or Politics Room? I think there are going to be issues over this.

    SJG
  • mark94
    5 years ago
    Average return over the last 70 years: 10%

    Projected returns: 2%

    No real explanation given.

    But, it’s from experts and they are never wrong.

  • rl27
    5 years ago
    This is a common tactic that is currently used by the investment industry to try to convince gullible investors to invest more.

    Go to any Investment estimation tool, regardless of company, and look at the fine print buried in several sub pages, and you will find almost all with base their calculations on a significantly below average growth.

    For eaxmple, the estimation tools my company's 401K uses suggests I need to invest 20% of my salary to retire. However if I look at the dropdown, I see the average growth is set at the lowest. If I just set it to right below average, then it shows a surplus.

    There was a few articles around 3 to 5 years ago from several well known economists, that mentioned that many people are investing too much in retirement funds, and even talked about how inaccurate these investment tools are.
  • JAprufrock
    5 years ago
    It’s all a bunch of crap the investment industry uses to lure suckers.
    Sure, it’s important to invest for the future, but 40-50 percent of your income is absurd and few could afford that anyway. Really one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard.
    Also, any ass clown who tries to predict stock market returns over the next 10 years is a complete imbecile.
    Yeah, maybe they’ll average 3 percent annually. Or maybe they’ll average 15 percent annually.
    For 100 years, through world wars, nuclear catastrophe,, terrorist attacks, tech bubble burst, housing bubble bust, oil embargo, energy crisis and countless recessions, they’ve averaged 10 percent over the long haul.
    I trust that track record.
  • jackslash
    5 years ago
    For those of you who work hard every day to keep my social security checks coming in, I want to say "Thanks." The strippers and I really appreciate it.
  • rickthelion
    5 years ago
    Don’t worry Papi Ape, those figures are just for dumb apes that piss their money away by paying half-boiled crabs to be their lawyer. Do not trust crabs for legal advice or investment advice and all will be well. So sayeth the ricks.

    And if things go downhill, the lion, tigers, and bears will eat you. Works out good for the lions, tigers, and bears! ROAR!!!
  • rickthevulture
    5 years ago
    So true my friend.

    But don’t leave out the vultures. If a bunch of apes have no money they’ll probably just kill themselves. As long as they off themselves on the side of the road where they’ll age in the sun for a few days they’ll be yummy yummy yummy in some vulture tummies!

    Squawk! Squawk!
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