How to spot the bad (man hating) apples...

No way to tell - one just needs to be aware there are bad-apples out there and one should never completely let their guard down and one should practice good habits w.r.t. not making yourself an easy target/mark

I also think with experience one develops a bit of a gut-feeling/6th-sense per se - although not perfect/foolproof, one should not ignore the 6th-sense one develops with experience

Strip clubs are a place of a lot of vice and a lot of money and they often attract a lot of the wrong type of people from staff to dancers to custies

I avoid the angry lesbian stripper like the plague. I've always had a good 'gay-dar' and I simply trust it now. But one obvious clue is that she's a dick dodging dancer and really doesn't give your actual boner that much attention. A true lesbian is going to be as repulsed by a dick in her crotch as much as a straight man would be.

Other generalities only are

• she likes doing the rougher stuff like pulling your hair or slamming her ass down on your crotch or pushing her foot on it
• she might be more controlling in a dance like grab and guide your hands a little too much
• she might enjoy stage tipping a hot stripper more than you do
• she might have a butchy hairstyle
• she might be the more 'alt' or goth type of dancer

Again all generalities.

Nicespice mentioned a long time ago that she asks regs about their previous CF. And I have definitely used it in reverse.

"But one obvious clue is that she's a dick dodging dancer and really doesn't give your actual boner that much attention."

Some of the best sex a guy can find is a gal on the outs with her gf or just wants some dick for a change of pace. She might still hate men, but the occasional dicking down is just the ticket if they've ever had it done right.

Most times I could always get a decent "read" just watching them dance. Do they try to entertain or just go through the motions?

A few years ago I was getting a dance at Follies from a Reese Witherspoon look a like. Out of no where she says "All men are ass holes". I don't know what brought that on but it ended they dances. I think she got fired shortly after that and moved to Texas.

Like Papi said, after a while you can pick up pretty quickly on those who are really uncomfortable or angry. The fact that she got to CF status in the first place is somewhat surprising as these types usually cannot hide their contempt for that long, so they don't usually have many regulars.

I'm convinced most of them hate men(except their prince charming). It's just a matter of how well they hide it.

@wallanon I see that type of stripper as bi. I'm talking about a true lesbian that knows she doesn't like dick just like a straight dude won't seek it as a change from pussy.

When they think joking about 🔪🔪🔪 customers is funny

when they seem generally distracted or if a dancer I just met wants to talk about politics or anything controversial, even if I might be inclined to agree with her on some things.

If a stripper tries to exert control over you, whether by demanding something or manipulating you, it’s a bad sign. Claiming she gets more than the standard payment, for example. Or, laying down a set of rules to follow.

Why do these feminazi even bother working in the strip club?

It's not a stretch to assume many straight-women develop ill-feelings towards men after being in the sex biz for a while

Man-hating and lesbian are two separate issues, although I am sure there is a lot of overlap. I am not sure you can tell by looking, but just for shits and giggles:

If instead of a short red plaid school girl skirt, she is wearing a red flannel lumbarjack shirt, she might be a man-hating lesbian.

If she isn't wearing stripper heels, but comes to stage in Doc Martens, she might be a man-hating lesbian.

If she has a tramp stamp " 🔪🔪🔪 customers", she might be a man-hating lesbian.

@Pauldrake I kinda wonder if some of these girls are like that b/c the DFW clubs are generally extremely touchy feely. Since taking occasional trips to a city that is low contact (on the floor anyways) I feel much less murdery in general. The guys are not as entitled to try and touch for free or cheap like in some places cough texas/florida cough

I also get murdery when guys are being cheap, but my experiences say Texas ppl spend money just expect high mileage.

Unfortunately for murdery bitches, I think more places than not are kinda high mileage anymore to my understanding and from reading a lot of TUSCL reviews on anywhere that halfway interests me haha.

I often can’t tell if they hate men or they are just being straight bitchy. Either way I don’t stink around long enough in their lives to find out the why or what

Hmm I’d agree with blah. I mentally have a subjective acceptable mileage/time/money ratio in my brain as well.

If I am constantly battling the customer’s hands, then it’s all good as long as he’s a quick and easy sale.

Want to be a regular who can keep me locked down on a busy Saturday night and order and eat pizza together when I’m only seeing about ~$150 for these efforts? Then be a gentleman who takes me to VIP to do foot massages -and- is perfectly happy to sit back and relax while I dance for other customers.

@nicespice a foot massage will cost you some decent mileage and my hands roaming, but I'm worth it. Quid pro quo, babe. 😘

@JustinTolook well played!

If she drives up to the club in a Subaru with a rainbow and LGBTQ bumper stickers, then she might just be a man-hating lesbian.

Some of my best experiences with strippers and extras have been with girls who claim to be lesbian. Idk what makes them want my D but I'm happy they do!

@shanny72 they aren't all man-hating and some are "straight for pay" but in my experience all my ATFs and most of my faves were admittedly straight. In my world if she's a lesbian she better be damn good at faking straight.

Some dancers complain about some regulars being too-clingy - seems there are regulars that want their fave to basically behave like their GF, and it seems some dancers can string that along for a while, and some don't have the patience/desire and kinda act out.

Paul, you've already found the answer to your own question.

FRMOS!

Once that goes off, a single guy can steer it to whatever he wants. So pick your girl carefully cause you'll likely be waking up with her in the mornings.

You have to strike while the iron is hot though. Girls don't like being put on a shelf. So she has to know what you do when you're way, how to contact you, and when you will be back.

SJG

Goddam I wanna be a fly on the wall of the club front room when san_jose_creep tries to make out with any stripper, angry lesbian or not!

@blahblahblah what would you do to a customer if he tried to make out witcha? Asking for a friend. Thanks!

If I there then yew know the bad ones—I dismiss on dem and pee on they wegs. Just sniff em!

My experience is that you can tell what a girl is like just by talking to her some.

If she really does not like men or if it is just not working with her, you can tell.

JUST DON'T BUY DANCES!

Find some way to delay it, like front room money, and then get that FRMOS going. If that works, things should be wide open from then on.

SJG

To answer the question about why a super angry man hating ROB was an ATF. I think part of that was actually TUSCLs fault. This was my first CF/ATF and I was reading on here at the time about how much I needed to keep my emotions out of it, and that all strippers are heartless manipulators. So I falsely assumed that all strippers were angry man hating ROBs and as long as I was getting what I wanted then nothing else mattered.

All told I have actually had 4 CFs that were ROBs. With all of them they only tried to ROB guys they didn't respect or had some political/philosophical disagreement with. So other than one exception none of them ever tried anything on me. And even the one exception was very minor, I laid down the law pretty quick, and we went on to have a great relationship.

I generally dictate exactly what I want, clearly spell out the terms and never negotiate. I personally think serial ROB victims are guys who tend to be both disrespectful and show weakness.

In the end while I am really confident I can win over almost any angry man hater I don't think I will bother ever again.

@sir I don't think SJG even goes to clubs to answer that question for ur friend LOL

PaulDrake, civilianized relationship, initial FRMOS, additional makeout sessions each time you see her, you won't have any problems.

Only down side is that it is tough to womanize of a guy is married. But in other countries it seems to be the norm.

SJG

@Paul I'm the same way. The only time I take on an ROB as a fave is if she's a 10 and she doesn't charge me over the club rate. As to man-hating lesbians I trust my gaydar to help me steer clear.