Who'd You Rather: Madison Ivy vs. Jenna Jameson

NEITHER

Jenna Jameson

Holy Toledo I haven’t been keeping up with her but man she got all jacked up.

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She’s not THAT old

The last 15 years have been a rollercoaster ride. The surgeries made her look real funny for a while. She kinda fixed that, then put on a ton of weight with one child. That article I posted above is from the last week and shows she's shed a lot of that (it says 80 pounds, which is almost one entire Madison Ivy), but to say she's been on a wild trip is an understatement.

Like I say, though: We're focusing on her prime. And what a prime it was.

Jameson

Jenna started her career at the now defunct Crazy Horse 2 in Vegas which was an arm of the Chicago mob and at its peak was the still the best club I’ve ever been in because of the hotness factor (8s-10s) and range of dirtiness (tame lappers to crazy stuff in recessed VIP.). Vegas clubbing has been worse off with this and Olympic Gardens closed. Also, Jenna’s autobiography was a fun read. She was the Michael Jordan of porn. And who didn’t love that heartbreaker tat on her ass. So, Jenna because who doesn’t love a hot crazy stripper from Vegas that loves to party.

The other one is every typical porn star, never heard of her and just huge bolt-ons on a stick.

In her prime, Jenna...easy

Ah, don't make me chose between these two. I want both. I guess if you make be chose only one, I'll go with Jenna.

Madison Ivy, barely, with Jameson a prime candidate to drop in and replace a "Neither" winner somewhere else in the bracket..

Tough one.

Ivy.

Neither. I need all natural. The only time I really enjoyed plastic was when I played GI Joe meets Barbie in the sandbox playing naked volleyball. I was only 6 years old then.

Jameson.

What’s the fascination with old worn out whores op ? I mean really, who’d chose one of these old used sacks damn.

Jenna. Too many of your contestants have fake tits.

25 - I think you missed a point in the choices. Think of these girls in their prime. Which would you choose then. When Jenna Jameson first got into porn, she was a dream. Now, not so much.

^ I didn’t miss the point but these girls have had more dicks in them than Carter has pills, I’ll pass every time with such high mileage girls, not my type at all

Neither!

I haven't seen one it these questions I think is worthy of my time, but keep asking.

i'd favor ivy.

I'd rather masturbate.

Than to fuck either of them. Their prime doesn't make up for the NOW

Ivy. Jameson never did anal or swallowed on video.

@Pistola: Seeing Jenna dance in some other videos makes me think she might have been one of the better strippers of all-time, too. She seems like she was something else.

@Ferdinx: In the end, there can be only one ... youtube.com

@Nidan/@yahtzee: To each his own. As I outlined in a previous bracket thread, I don't mind enhancements. You do. To each his own. That's why I let you have a 'Neither' choice, at least in the first round. It's OK to choose that.

@Esta: You at least took their prime into account, so I'll actually call that valid. We're going to have another showdown later in the opening round where I think "the now" is going overshadow "the prime" so much that it's going to be too difficult for most people to overcome. The contestant's name will rhyme with Henny BicCarthy. However, we also paired her against Salma Hayek, so I think the problem should solve itself.

@Stephanie: You're 99 percent correct. She did anal at least once, as in one stroke by accident. xvideos.com

@25: I think this spawns an interesting discussion.

In mainstream cinema, there's a concept called "suspension of disbelief." It's the idea that the stuff that happens in films tends to happen too perfectly and without the randomness we see in real life, but as long as it seems plausibly possible enough, the audience can stick with it in the interest of being entertained and enjoying the story. Here's the Wiki article for a more in-depth look at the concept: en.wikipedia.org. Consider, also, that suspension of disbelief has its limits for most people, such as how many felt "Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull" was ruined when Indiana Jones survived being sent into near-Earth orbit while hiding in a refrigerator during a nuclear explosion. Put another way, it violated many people's limits of their suspension of disbelief, in that they just couldn't wrap their head around surviving that occurrence truly being possible.

In porn, there's a different kind of suspension of belief for it to work. You have to be in the moment of the scene. You have to kind of believe that yes, I, too, could be that buff guy with the 12-incher making the impossibly hot buxom blonde babe moan uncontrollably for 10-15 minutes.

If you can't get past the idea that it's actually a Viagra-addled dude who can't cut it as a waiter with a girl who's shot 13 scenes with 13 different guys that week to pay for her next collagen injection, then I think porn just isn't for you.

Then again, I also would question whether strip clubs are for you, too. You're not her only customer, and she probably doesn't actually like you that much.

I know the ins and outs of behind the scenes for porn, even some of the more troubling ones, but I can still suspend the disbelief to enjoy it. Also, I have no more expectation of women somehow being with a small number of men than I do expectation of tempering my own want for variety. I like a lot of different women. Every girl has her own uniqueness. I don't mind if they've been with a lot of different men, as long as they're safe about it. It just means they've had more practice and will be better at it.

It's one thing for a girl to try to have all the trappings of a good girl and a pornstar at the same time. Those are the Instagram models that tout their virtue and chastity while alternating between pictures of themselves wearing next to nothing with pictures of themselves with the new guy they're banging for a few weeks. I don't respect those women. Pornstars make it obvious: Yeah, I do it a lot, with a lot of different guys, because people want to see it and I'm good at it. Want to be one of those guys, too? And I don't mind that.

Anyhow, if that's your thinking, hate to break it to you, but we have 16 girls going head-to-head in the Pornstar Bracket, not to mention we had enough Pornstars that some had to go into the Model Bracket as well. Maybe these threads just aren't for you, which is fine.

Neither. I'd rather have my Psyco X GF

Jenna

Then again, I also would question whether strip clubs are for you, too. You're not her only customer, and she probably doesn't actually like you that much. <

I'm not sure that was directed at me but you do you as best as you're able, and I'll do me which is fine with me, How much she might like me you really have very little idea, and as to whether strip clubs are for me that's my decision to make, fact remains threads like this are boring as fuck, I'd rather get it on with a real life woman than some imaginary porn star, and before you reply keep in mind. I do fine and am comfortable in my own skin, not sure about anyone that has so much time on their hands that they can think of threads where they compare imaginary hotties, I'd much rather enjoy real live women, which I do, frequently I might add.

For the purposes of these posts, it's not like I'm actually going to bone any of the choices, so I choose to ignore their backstory.

I look at it as if I walk into my favorite club and see two available dancers in and amongst all of the other dancers, sans fame (or infamy) or personal knowledge on my part. And then I choose.

It's stupid fun.

Ivy. Funny that Jenna is more my classic type though. Ivy seems like she's be more fun in bed.

@25: I hope you didn't take the "you" in that sentence personally. I meant "the royal you," in this way: urbandictionary.com. It's moreso the general idea that, for the most part, dancers sell an experience that isn't real. It's the concept behind the definition of "PL" in the TUSCL glossary above.

At a strip club, the vast majority of dancers are just there to get your money. They may put on a show, they may tell you ("the royal you") everything they want to hear, heck, if it's an extras club, they may do some awesome stuff with you. But, ultimately, except in the rarest of cases, they're doing it because they want your money. If you don't assume that's their ultimate goal, you're setting yourself up for problems. If you start believing they really like you, that you're really as great as they say you are, all of that, you're up a creek. For the vast majority, it's just a sales tactic. For the vast majority, they need to remember, they're not the dancer's only customer and she doesn't like actually them that much, which is exactly what I said above.

It relates back to the suspension of disbelief idea because, if you can't handle it with porn, I'm not sure how you handle it in the club. If you see a pornstar as someone who's had, as you put it, "more dicks in them than Carter has pills," how can you see a stripper as someone who isn't willing to sit in whoever's lap she thinks is next to the biggest wallet? How can you not enjoy one and enjoy the other?

Granted, maybe it's because you personally have a big wallet and get all the ladies accordingly. If so, good for you. Not all of us are so lucky.

That said, I do sense you're a different kind of cat than me. I think you're more results-oriented, whereas I'm more process oriented. You're moreso, "Do I want to sleep with her? Can I? Yes? Great, let's do it. No? Then screw this." It's like being a good closer as a salesperson. Seal the deal or move on.

I'm more into asking why and how. I like threads like this. I like seeing reasoning why one girl or another. I like the process. The theoretical can be just as interesting as the practical, to me, if not moreso sometimes. This is why I could never work in sales and work in IT.

I mean, I get it in a way. For instance, science fiction stuff does nothing for me. I can't relate. And maybe you just can't relate to the idea of thinking about ladies you can't actually do anything with. But I enjoy the, "If I could, who would I and" aspect of analyzing, as well as seeing if that lines up with the hive mind's opinion.

I have no doubt you do great. If you're happy, you're doing something right, and good for you. Threads like this make me happy. If you want folks like me to be happy, I'd appreciate you simply not rain on our parade. Feel free to hit the 'Ignore' button for me if they get annoying.

In her PRIME, Jenna Jameson was to the nineties what Ginger Lynn was to the eighties. Arguably the biggest, most popular porn star around. She gets my vote.

Going with Jameson here.

@AJ I wasn’t looking to rain on anyone’s parade, suspension of belief is fine when it comes to cinema, but too much porn desensitizes your abilities to actually connect with woman of all types, I’m not against porn mind you but I prefer the real thing, sitting around watching other folks enjoy themselves isn’t my style at all, I’d much rather be out there with the doers, than sitting at a screen fantasizing about it, is all.

Jenna

@25: Valid points there. I appreciate your candor, as well.

I think you do have a largely valid point when it comes to "too much porn," at least for most people.

Don't get me wrong; I love porn. But I feel like porn, and pornstars, are a partition in my brain that's separate from the regular women we interact with on a day-to-day basis. I'm more than conscious that what I see in porn isn't reality. I don't model how to please a woman off porn, as there would need to be a lot more backrubs and far better dialog in porn. Porn is just kind of mindless self-gratification. It's a good cure for morning wood, but it's not helpful much outside of that.

That being said, I think differently than a lot of people, so yeah, for the average Joe, porn can easily be a bad influence for them.

Also, you'll notice a distinct skew from 1991 to the early 2000s here. In other words, from when I was between ages nine and 23 or so. Before I could club, this stuff was the only way to get satisfaction. Put me in my mid-20s, give me a little cash and some transportation and, suddenly, clubbing gets easier and I watch less adult content, not to mention, yes, starting to actually have real success with non-club women as well. Granted, broadband internet and the ability to watch it on my phone has kind of brought me back some in the interest of saving money. But yeah, this bracket on the whole is as much about reminiscing and nostalgia as anything, too.

I don't think porn should replace going and doing, like you say. I'm horny enough that I both watch porn and club. And porn is a decent substitute during the horny times when women aren't around, as long as its seen as what it is and not seen as more real than it is. Not a replacement for reality and actually going out and doing. Just a way to fill time.

^ Just ought to point out I’m 65 in fairly good shape healthy enough to swim 2 hours a day and play golf a few times a week, when I was young the only porn available was a few girly magazines or an occasional 8mm stag film at a buddies house when there parents weren’t home, so I never really developed a desire for porn, but I always like girls from the time I was a young teenager I had little trouble being around them as I was popular and had a lot of GFs, even now I like hitting the regular clubs and there are some places around here that have great happy hours find it very easy to meet attractive women I’m sure the fact I have more than a few dollars available doesn’t hurt, but even so, I hit strip clubs 2-4 times a month and even go with a female friend occasionally For me it’s about getting out and having a good time, I work hard and play just as hard.

As I suspected, we're different in a whole lot of ways. Different perspectives make for diverse sets of thoughts. Always good to see.

Ms Ivy.

Was going to say neither but watched some of the posted video and now going with Ivy. And doesn't Ivy look quite a bit like the First Lady?

@sshr: I never noticed that, but yeah, now that you say that ... she does. [shrug]

OK, let's close her up as I file one vote for Jameson, too.

JAMESON: 12 IVY: 7 NEITHER: 5

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Jameson wins and moves on. Name recognition matters. Also, credit to you guys for following instructions.

Jenna will either face off against a younger, similar-looking star in Ashlynn Brooke, or a much louder Gianna Michaels, in the second round.

@anonymous Jim since you say you know the ins and outs of the porn scene, are people like johnny sins and Nat Turner naturally huge like that or are most of then allowed some sort of secret enhancement that the rest of the public isnt privy too. Because they ALWAYS seem rock hard.

Let me clarify: I've never been on a set or anywhere near one. But I do read about how it's made, some of the slings and arrows those productions deal with, etc. I do know about regular film production, and a lot of the concepts are the same. It's just what's going on in front of the camera is different. I won't pretend to be an industry insider, though.

If this article from earlier this year is to be believed, and I have no reason not to believe it, then no, they have no secret unfamiliar to us PLs. They do need to rely some on ED meds, and they have bad days like all of us. But no needles or implants. They're just gifted and skilled.

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Remember, doing it on camera isn't just doing it with a pornstar. It's doing it under hot lights, with a bunch of dudes in the room manning cameras and sound equipment, all depending on you to perform to get what they need.

Imagine the pressure of performing well that one time a 10 agrees to extras in the VIP. Now imagine a bunch of people watching, and everyone's paychecks depending on you staying hard, but not cumming, for a few hours. Not easy. Those guys are pros, even if they do rely on help.

Missed this the first time around, but saw the recap. Jenna Jameson at her peak is hotter to look at (by just a little) than Madison Ivy. Mostly because her ass was mesmerizing when she got to work, and she has the second best butt tattoo in porn. Now with that out of the way, Madison Ivy is a fucking sex monster. Between those two, I'd be going with Ivy and booking an ice bath and massage in advance.