Who'd You Rather: Madison Ivy vs. Jenna Jameson
AnonymousJim
Scanning the room from the back
This one should be interesting.
I think it's going to be important to emphasize one thing with this: We are evaluating the women IN THEIR PRIME.
Granted, let's be fair: Jenna's looking arguably better now ...
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-bod…
... then she has at times in the last 15 years ...
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/As…
I'll let you decide what you consider to be when she looked her best — in Private Parts, circa 2000, when she first started, whatever — but try to evaluate her at her best, not her worst. Hopefully you've all seen her stuff. Choose accordingly.
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Pornstar Bracket: Madison IVY vs. Jenna JAMESON
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Madison IVY
32DD-24-32
PIC: https://www.tuscl.net/photo.php?id=1964
CLIP: (hardcore) https://www.xvideos.com/video24068353/ni…
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Ivy is unique. She's only 30, but has been in the business since 2007 and has bounced in and out. She was born in Germany, but raised in Texas. She's just 4'11", so her DD enhancements look even bigger on her frame. A yoga instructor and fitness trainer on the side, she can take it with her legs behind her head, and she's willing to do so in either spot down there. Ivy's no stranger to men, but she's been in a relationship with another female pornstar, Heather Starlet, since 2013. Ivy's stuff often sees her going glamorous, but her flexibility and vast array of possible positions is what sets her apart. If you don't know her well, you should.
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Jenna JAMESON
32DD-22-33 (these have fluctuated)
PIC: https://www.tuscl.net/photo.php?id=1920
CLIP: (solo strip) https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?v…
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Simply put, the Queen of Porn. In the 90's, and for a healthy chunk of the 2000's, no one was better at doing it on camera, or maybe just doing it, than Jameson. What made her so sexy? She didn't necessarily have as pretty a face as the Playboy models of the time, and while she had a killer body, that didn't set her apart. In my opinion, it was her eyes, specifically the sexy look she would give while doing her business. Jameson's come-hither stare was epic, on par with mainstream legends like Marilyn Monroe. She also recognized that being sexy didn't stop once the sex started. Yes, things have been weird for her since the mid-2000's. But when she was at her best, no one was better.
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I've made my plea for how you should look at it. I leave it in your hands.
IVY
JAMESON
or NEITHER
I think it's going to be important to emphasize one thing with this: We are evaluating the women IN THEIR PRIME.
Granted, let's be fair: Jenna's looking arguably better now ...
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-bod…
... then she has at times in the last 15 years ...
https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/As…
I'll let you decide what you consider to be when she looked her best — in Private Parts, circa 2000, when she first started, whatever — but try to evaluate her at her best, not her worst. Hopefully you've all seen her stuff. Choose accordingly.
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Pornstar Bracket: Madison IVY vs. Jenna JAMESON
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Madison IVY
32DD-24-32
PIC: https://www.tuscl.net/photo.php?id=1964
CLIP: (hardcore) https://www.xvideos.com/video24068353/ni…
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Ivy is unique. She's only 30, but has been in the business since 2007 and has bounced in and out. She was born in Germany, but raised in Texas. She's just 4'11", so her DD enhancements look even bigger on her frame. A yoga instructor and fitness trainer on the side, she can take it with her legs behind her head, and she's willing to do so in either spot down there. Ivy's no stranger to men, but she's been in a relationship with another female pornstar, Heather Starlet, since 2013. Ivy's stuff often sees her going glamorous, but her flexibility and vast array of possible positions is what sets her apart. If you don't know her well, you should.
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Jenna JAMESON
32DD-22-33 (these have fluctuated)
PIC: https://www.tuscl.net/photo.php?id=1920
CLIP: (solo strip) https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?v…
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Simply put, the Queen of Porn. In the 90's, and for a healthy chunk of the 2000's, no one was better at doing it on camera, or maybe just doing it, than Jameson. What made her so sexy? She didn't necessarily have as pretty a face as the Playboy models of the time, and while she had a killer body, that didn't set her apart. In my opinion, it was her eyes, specifically the sexy look she would give while doing her business. Jameson's come-hither stare was epic, on par with mainstream legends like Marilyn Monroe. She also recognized that being sexy didn't stop once the sex started. Yes, things have been weird for her since the mid-2000's. But when she was at her best, no one was better.
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I've made my plea for how you should look at it. I leave it in your hands.
IVY
JAMESON
or NEITHER
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The other one is every typical porn star, never heard of her and just huge bolt-ons on a stick.
Ivy.
I mean really, who’d chose one of these old used sacks damn.
I haven't seen one it these questions I think is worthy of my time, but keep asking.
@Ferdinx: In the end, there can be only one ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEJ8lpCQ…
@Nidan/@yahtzee: To each his own. As I outlined in a previous bracket thread, I don't mind enhancements. You do. To each his own. That's why I let you have a 'Neither' choice, at least in the first round. It's OK to choose that.
@Esta: You at least took their prime into account, so I'll actually call that valid. We're going to have another showdown later in the opening round where I think "the now" is going overshadow "the prime" so much that it's going to be too difficult for most people to overcome. The contestant's name will rhyme with Henny BicCarthy. However, we also paired her against Salma Hayek, so I think the problem should solve itself.
@Stephanie: You're 99 percent correct. She did anal at least once, as in one stroke by accident. https://www.xvideos.com/video7020442/jen…
@25: I think this spawns an interesting discussion.
In mainstream cinema, there's a concept called "suspension of disbelief." It's the idea that the stuff that happens in films tends to happen too perfectly and without the randomness we see in real life, but as long as it seems plausibly possible enough, the audience can stick with it in the interest of being entertained and enjoying the story. Here's the Wiki article for a more in-depth look at the concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension…. Consider, also, that suspension of disbelief has its limits for most people, such as how many felt "Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull" was ruined when Indiana Jones survived being sent into near-Earth orbit while hiding in a refrigerator during a nuclear explosion. Put another way, it violated many people's limits of their suspension of disbelief, in that they just couldn't wrap their head around surviving that occurrence truly being possible.
In porn, there's a different kind of suspension of belief for it to work. You have to be in the moment of the scene. You have to kind of believe that yes, I, too, could be that buff guy with the 12-incher making the impossibly hot buxom blonde babe moan uncontrollably for 10-15 minutes.
If you can't get past the idea that it's actually a Viagra-addled dude who can't cut it as a waiter with a girl who's shot 13 scenes with 13 different guys that week to pay for her next collagen injection, then I think porn just isn't for you.
Then again, I also would question whether strip clubs are for you, too. You're not her only customer, and she probably doesn't actually like you that much.
I know the ins and outs of behind the scenes for porn, even some of the more troubling ones, but I can still suspend the disbelief to enjoy it. Also, I have no more expectation of women somehow being with a small number of men than I do expectation of tempering my own want for variety. I like a lot of different women. Every girl has her own uniqueness. I don't mind if they've been with a lot of different men, as long as they're safe about it. It just means they've had more practice and will be better at it.
It's one thing for a girl to try to have all the trappings of a good girl and a pornstar at the same time. Those are the Instagram models that tout their virtue and chastity while alternating between pictures of themselves wearing next to nothing with pictures of themselves with the new guy they're banging for a few weeks. I don't respect those women. Pornstars make it obvious: Yeah, I do it a lot, with a lot of different guys, because people want to see it and I'm good at it. Want to be one of those guys, too? And I don't mind that.
Anyhow, if that's your thinking, hate to break it to you, but we have 16 girls going head-to-head in the Pornstar Bracket, not to mention we had enough Pornstars that some had to go into the Model Bracket as well. Maybe these threads just aren't for you, which is fine.
I'm not sure that was directed at me but you do you as best as you're able, and I'll do me which is fine with me, How much she might like me you really have very little idea, and as to whether strip clubs are for me that's my decision to make, fact remains threads like this are boring as fuck, I'd rather get it on with a real life woman than some imaginary porn star, and before you reply keep in mind. I do fine and am comfortable in my own skin, not sure about anyone that has so much time on their hands that they can think of threads where they compare imaginary hotties, I'd much rather enjoy real live women, which I do, frequently I might add.
I look at it as if I walk into my favorite club and see two available dancers in and amongst all of the other dancers, sans fame (or infamy) or personal knowledge on my part. And then I choose.
It's stupid fun.
At a strip club, the vast majority of dancers are just there to get your money. They may put on a show, they may tell you ("the royal you") everything they want to hear, heck, if it's an extras club, they may do some awesome stuff with you. But, ultimately, except in the rarest of cases, they're doing it because they want your money. If you don't assume that's their ultimate goal, you're setting yourself up for problems. If you start believing they really like you, that you're really as great as they say you are, all of that, you're up a creek. For the vast majority, it's just a sales tactic. For the vast majority, they need to remember, they're not the dancer's only customer and she doesn't like actually them that much, which is exactly what I said above.
It relates back to the suspension of disbelief idea because, if you can't handle it with porn, I'm not sure how you handle it in the club. If you see a pornstar as someone who's had, as you put it, "more dicks in them than Carter has pills," how can you see a stripper as someone who isn't willing to sit in whoever's lap she thinks is next to the biggest wallet? How can you not enjoy one and enjoy the other?
Granted, maybe it's because you personally have a big wallet and get all the ladies accordingly. If so, good for you. Not all of us are so lucky.
That said, I do sense you're a different kind of cat than me. I think you're more results-oriented, whereas I'm more process oriented. You're moreso, "Do I want to sleep with her? Can I? Yes? Great, let's do it. No? Then screw this." It's like being a good closer as a salesperson. Seal the deal or move on.
I'm more into asking why and how. I like threads like this. I like seeing reasoning why one girl or another. I like the process. The theoretical can be just as interesting as the practical, to me, if not moreso sometimes. This is why I could never work in sales and work in IT.
I mean, I get it in a way. For instance, science fiction stuff does nothing for me. I can't relate. And maybe you just can't relate to the idea of thinking about ladies you can't actually do anything with. But I enjoy the, "If I could, who would I and" aspect of analyzing, as well as seeing if that lines up with the hive mind's opinion.
I have no doubt you do great. If you're happy, you're doing something right, and good for you. Threads like this make me happy. If you want folks like me to be happy, I'd appreciate you simply not rain on our parade. Feel free to hit the 'Ignore' button for me if they get annoying.
I think you do have a largely valid point when it comes to "too much porn," at least for most people.
Don't get me wrong; I love porn. But I feel like porn, and pornstars, are a partition in my brain that's separate from the regular women we interact with on a day-to-day basis. I'm more than conscious that what I see in porn isn't reality. I don't model how to please a woman off porn, as there would need to be a lot more backrubs and far better dialog in porn. Porn is just kind of mindless self-gratification. It's a good cure for morning wood, but it's not helpful much outside of that.
That being said, I think differently than a lot of people, so yeah, for the average Joe, porn can easily be a bad influence for them.
Also, you'll notice a distinct skew from 1991 to the early 2000s here. In other words, from when I was between ages nine and 23 or so. Before I could club, this stuff was the only way to get satisfaction. Put me in my mid-20s, give me a little cash and some transportation and, suddenly, clubbing gets easier and I watch less adult content, not to mention, yes, starting to actually have real success with non-club women as well. Granted, broadband internet and the ability to watch it on my phone has kind of brought me back some in the interest of saving money. But yeah, this bracket on the whole is as much about reminiscing and nostalgia as anything, too.
I don't think porn should replace going and doing, like you say. I'm horny enough that I both watch porn and club. And porn is a decent substitute during the horny times when women aren't around, as long as its seen as what it is and not seen as more real than it is. Not a replacement for reality and actually going out and doing. Just a way to fill time.
For me it’s about getting out and having a good time, I work hard and play just as hard.
OK, let's close her up as I file one vote for Jameson, too.
JAMESON: 12
IVY: 7
NEITHER: 5
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Jameson wins and moves on. Name recognition matters. Also, credit to you guys for following instructions.
Jenna will either face off against a younger, similar-looking star in Ashlynn Brooke, or a much louder Gianna Michaels, in the second round.
If this article from earlier this year is to be believed, and I have no reason not to believe it, then no, they have no secret unfamiliar to us PLs. They do need to rely some on ED meds, and they have bad days like all of us. But no needles or implants. They're just gifted and skilled.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/exposing-m…
Remember, doing it on camera isn't just doing it with a pornstar. It's doing it under hot lights, with a bunch of dudes in the room manning cameras and sound equipment, all depending on you to perform to get what they need.
Imagine the pressure of performing well that one time a 10 agrees to extras in the VIP. Now imagine a bunch of people watching, and everyone's paychecks depending on you staying hard, but not cumming, for a few hours. Not easy. Those guys are pros, even if they do rely on help.