I offered a dancer $350 plus drinks for 2 hours of dances with breaks of course. She did not like the deal. She says she makes $300 per hour in champagne room.
I paid $600 for 5 to 6 hrs for a dancer at same club before. This time I dont want to spend that many hours , so I thought I gave decent offer to this dancer. Also I think this is the first time someone offering her like this.
One champagne room and three dances in 2 hours and she's doing better, for a hottie in a busy club that's not unreasonable and she probably has a good idea what she can pull off.
That said, I think there are a lot of dancers who would not grasp the 'bird in the hand' of this deal and ignore it, even though it would be smart.
She has to bust her ass for two solid hours for what she would normally make in one and that's before she has to share cuts with the club, DJ. and everyone else who sees her in there for 2 hours and assumes that she made $600. She may also catch flak if it gets out that she undercut other girls.
You spend easily $500 and probably closer to $600 all-in (after drinks, room fee.,etc) for a two hour boner. Hey, it's your money and all, but spending that on a two hour boner wouldn't be my cup of tea.
Dark said "I paid $600 for 5 to 6 hrs for a dancer at same club before."
So, I think the above situation is the exception to the rule, and not the rule itself. And the possible problem is that you're trying to get other dancers to conform to the exception.
Sure she texts you for $160 for 30 minutes, but she's probably also texting a number of other guys for the same thing, some of whom invariably extend to an hour. You were talking about monopolizing two hours of her time for half the rate. In a place like Delilah's, $160 isn't a lot of money for 30 minutes and some of those guys may be tipping her generously on top of that - there's a lot of money passing through that club in a given week.
Dancers make just $160 in 30 min.Thats their cut from champagne room. Dancers complained me saying sometimes they dont even make $300 all night. May be they lied to me. So based on your feedback and the dancers estimates, I guess they make $1200 in 4 hours.
Dark, nobody is saying that they all run at 100% utilization rate, but you were talking about locking one in for two hours at 50% with little additional tip upside - again all before whatever else she has to kick out to the DJ, for that portion of her nightly tipout, etc. That just wasn't realistic. Even if she may not actually make that much over those two hours, the possibility of doing so has an intrinsic value, especially if there were other guys in the club.
I don't think it's an unfair offer given it's sure $$$ where she would o/w have to sell 2 VIPs in those 2 hours to make the same $$$ - IDK the club so IDK how achievable that is at that club at $320/30-minutes just for dances not counting the competition from other dancers.
Perhaps it'd be more appealing to her if you go on a slow night (assuming that works for you).
===> "I agree Rick, I will stick to my $160 for 30 mins and try other girls."
Or better yet, if you are looking for a bargain, try a different club.
For those of you from flyover country or the deep South who wonder why I keep harping on the Delilah's aspect, it's because Delilah's is not a place where one would typically go bargain hunting. It is one of the two highest end clubs in Philly, a city with a lot of financial services money and even its own busy regional stock exchange. We're talking Lodge/Dallas or Cheetah Atlanta quality girls, if not better. A solid majority of them would put 90% or the girls working in 90% of the clubs in the U.S. to shame, both from a beauty standpoint and with their elegant presentation.
Anyway, just a final thought as i bow out of this thread. ;)
Rick Kudos to you for putting in right words to describe Delilahs girls. Since I started getting dances from these girls i got addicted to this club. I dont know who coaches these girls when they hire they are damn fine with their presentation. May be because its owned by a woman. I am not looking for a bargain, I am looking for quality. LOL
Some dancers look at things as an opportunity cost. Typical sales person. Always looking at the potential, even at the cost of the known. It is always worth the short term risk to lose in the end only to have a chance to hit it big. Just depends on what game you want to play.
Chowder and Clubber, location matters. See what I wrote above about Delilah's and its customer base. It's also often very busy there. Where I live now, for a guaranteed $350 I could get a hot girl to skip her shift and do almost whatever I want. But in a place like Delilah's, $350 (before tips and tipout) isn't the same kind of money when compared to her upper earning potential on any given night or even over those two hours that Dark was looking to monopolize.
The deal isn’t good enough. You know how I know? She turned it down. You won’t convince her it’s a good deal if she doesn’t think it’s a good deal. You need to add money or reduce time.
On the plus side, I do commend darkblue for not adding in a side thing of bemoaning that waaaaaaaaaahhhh she doesn’t have any sense of customer service or general business skills when she shot him down.
I’ve personally done something like as described in the OP occasionally. 3-5 dances at a time, take a break and drink, and repeat that a few times. But normally that is when it was slower anyways.
Maybe it was slow but she anticipated it picking up within an hour? Who knows
Its a good deal for any girl in any club. I just think she dislikes OP, sees his creepiness..... This is the guy who follows dancers to parking lots, right? LMFAO Those traits have to come out in some way....
I've been to that club a few times. It seemed to be fairly busy, even during off peak day shifts. I'm sure they have slower shifts, but on average I'd tend to agree with Rick that it's reasonable if not likely she could do better.
Even if she didn't think she could, she obviously felt like she was being under valued and rejected the offer. You can't discount that factor, people (not just strippers) want to feel valued. And/or Loco's point is kinda valid, some of your posts give off a creepy/needy/entitled vibe. Combined with the potential for better money, it may have made her pass.
But, if you're talking about reasonable breaks & don't know why you couldn't have done what Nicespice mentioned. Go for a few dances, when you stop let her know you'd like to do some more later and offer her a drink to come back and chill. Repeat until you're done. Based on your 25/4 min figures your $250 pays for just under an hour of dances. Sitting with a customer for 2-3 songs, then selling 2-3 dances isn't too unusual.
We are meeting but only for $160 for 30 mins. She replied she will rethink about the offer but didnt confirm. Wht do u mean creepy needy entitle BS. One go to club for dances ,if you cant get girl go talk to her and show her the money. They need money. It depends on how much one can afford. Delilahs is busy day shift also.Only time it is slow during 1 to 4 week days. Those times you dont get high quality girls. If she agrees for this deal I would be spending same amount regularly going forward. That's like sure shot paycheck. No need to go and hug several men to get 2 champagne rooms and face many rejections. But in this girls case, she works the peak time so she may definitely make more than what I offered.
Darkblue, are you autistic? You seem to be unable to empathize with others on a basic human level... If you treat them like objects you think you can buy and control, no wonder they even reject your money.
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Day is Thursday or Saturday
I dont think she makes back to back champagne room visits
But nights are so busy and crowded at this club
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I dont want that.I want fun with lap dances.
At 3 minutes a song and giving her half the time off that's only $17.50/dance.
She may expect to dance more than half the time making it even less.
And maybe you just smell bad.
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Assuming that you aren't sending up red flags for other reasons, she'd take your money if she honestly didn't believe she could do better.
That said, I think there are a lot of dancers who would not grasp the 'bird in the hand' of this deal and ignore it, even though it would be smart.
She has to bust her ass for two solid hours for what she would normally make in one and that's before she has to share cuts with the club, DJ. and everyone else who sees her in there for 2 hours and assumes that she made $600. She may also catch flak if it gets out that she undercut other girls.
You spend easily $500 and probably closer to $600 all-in (after drinks, room fee.,etc) for a two hour boner. Hey, it's your money and all, but spending that on a two hour boner wouldn't be my cup of tea.
So, I think the above situation is the exception to the rule, and not the rule itself. And the possible problem is that you're trying to get other dancers to conform to the exception.
My 2 cents.
2) what is the VIP the club charges the customer?
3) at this club is VIP = extras; or dances?
She texts me before she leaves for her shift.
Why should she text me if she makes $300 an hour. Just for $160 she texts me!!
Topless dances are $20 per song approx 4 min
The club charges 320 for 30 min but it doesnt charge me anything. I pay $160 directly to the dancer
No extras at this club
Most of the girls are 8 to 9
No room fee for me.
First drink is free.
$20 per song in couch room.
Why do you think so
Dancers complained me saying sometimes they dont even make $300 all night. May be they lied to me.
So based on your feedback and the dancers estimates, I guess they make $1200 in 4 hours.
No i am not.
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Perhaps it'd be more appealing to her if you go on a slow night (assuming that works for you).
Or better yet, if you are looking for a bargain, try a different club.
For those of you from flyover country or the deep South who wonder why I keep harping on the Delilah's aspect, it's because Delilah's is not a place where one would typically go bargain hunting. It is one of the two highest end clubs in Philly, a city with a lot of financial services money and even its own busy regional stock exchange. We're talking Lodge/Dallas or Cheetah Atlanta quality girls, if not better. A solid majority of them would put 90% or the girls working in 90% of the clubs in the U.S. to shame, both from a beauty standpoint and with their elegant presentation.
Anyway, just a final thought as i bow out of this thread. ;)
If she makes $250 in 2 hours for just giving 8 dances, maybe she prefers that to getting $350 for giving 15 dances in the same amount of time.
Kudos to you for putting in right words to describe Delilahs girls.
Since I started getting dances from these girls i got addicted to this club.
I dont know who coaches these girls when they hire they are damn fine with their presentation. May be because its owned by a woman. I am not looking for a bargain, I am looking for quality. LOL
I’ve personally done something like as described in the OP occasionally. 3-5 dances at a time, take a break and drink, and repeat that a few times. But normally that is when it was slower anyways.
Maybe it was slow but she anticipated it picking up within an hour? Who knows
Even if she didn't think she could, she obviously felt like she was being under valued and rejected the offer. You can't discount that factor, people (not just strippers) want to feel valued. And/or Loco's point is kinda valid, some of your posts give off a creepy/needy/entitled vibe. Combined with the potential for better money, it may have made her pass.
But, if you're talking about reasonable breaks & don't know why you couldn't have done what Nicespice mentioned. Go for a few dances, when you stop let her know you'd like to do some more later and offer her a drink to come back and chill. Repeat until you're done. Based on your 25/4 min figures your $250 pays for just under an hour of dances. Sitting with a customer for 2-3 songs, then selling 2-3 dances isn't too unusual.
She replied she will rethink about the offer but didnt confirm.
Wht do u mean creepy needy entitle BS. One go to club for dances ,if you cant get girl go talk to her and show her the money. They need money. It depends on how much one can afford.
Delilahs is busy day shift also.Only time it is slow during 1 to 4 week days. Those times you dont get high quality girls.
If she agrees for this deal I would be spending same amount regularly going forward. That's like sure shot paycheck. No need to go and hug several men to get 2 champagne rooms and face many rejections.
But in this girls case, she works the peak time so she may definitely make more than what I offered.