Super Bowl III was a seminal event, it made the NFL into the NFL, on the one hand you had the NYJets young upstarts from the AFL and then you had the Baltimore Colts the old guard. I can see you guys now jumping all over Colin Kaepernick, going after Broadway Joe Namath the same way scoffing at his guaranteed win, long hair, his panty hose commercial and fur coats with white shoes. Yet here we are the world has changed in the fifty years since that event, the New England Patriots are the equivalent of the Baltimore Colts, but there is no upstart like the NY Jets in sight. The pagentry and spectacle remains, but the fun is no longer the game, now all of the chatter on Monday will be about the commercials and advertisements, too bad for us it feels like we lost a lot.
^ Says the guy who I strongly suspect is a New York Giants fan who likely dislikes the Pats (though I could be wrong). ;)
The difference between the old Colts and the modern Pats are too many to easily list, most notably that the Pats have done what almost any expert would have said was impossible in the salary cap era. Those old dynasty teams had mostly the same crews year over year and that includes the Cowboys and the 49ers for their great runs. The Pats have had to constantly reinvent themselves year over year as their roster is constantly in flux. Some years their defense is great and other years mediocre at best. Some years they have a good receiving core and other years almost nothing but scrubs. Some years they have strong running backs and other years it is entirely on Brady's shoulders. Yet they keep finding ways to win.
Needless to say, I am excited to see Brady have the chance to cement his place as the greatest of all time and the Pats as a dynasty that we may never see again in the salary cap era. Indeed, the whole point of the salary cap was to force parity on the league, which has been further supported by NFLPA bargaining which has resulted in yet greater player mobility.
Kaepernick who? Seriously, the difference between him and Namath is that Namath was talented enough to overcome flamboyance and publicity stunts while Kaepernick was headed to the chopping block even before his stunt. A lot of sins are forgiven by NFL teams if you are a great player, but ol' Colin was just not good enough to tempt any team to deal with the controversy surrounding him. So now he gets to do his afro commercials for big bucks with sneaker companies.
I'm glad you mentioned Colin Kaepernick. Your comment wouldn't have provided the same impact or have been fully supported without it. I'd hate for him and his movement to lose the attention it deserves.
Oh, and you who knew better than to participate in that kneeling nonsense? Every single member of the Patriots. Each player knew that anyone who was stupid enough to force Belichick to deal with a distraction like that would not be on the field much longer. Discipline like that is exactly why the Pats keep showing up in the Superbowl, despite constantly changing rosters.
@Rick Dugan You usually miss the point, this is no different, there was no attack by me on any team or players, my point was really simple, coming on here for some fun and games has started becoming tedious, I don’t care how old you are or what your political affiliations are, I watch football for fun, I go to strip clubs for fun, I don’t find it necessary to tear people down and truthfully football is a diversion, not an extension of your life and death struggles to get over on everyone to show how smart you think you are.
@flagooner my point was everything here becomes politicized and polarized, a football game is just game, winning or losing doesn’t enhance anyone’s POV. I mean really I just enjoy having a good time there’s really no hidden meaning to it.
25, I didn't read your post as an attack and wasn't trying to levy one in turn (promise). I happen to have strong opinions on the Pats because I am a life long fan. After suffering through decades of failure, starting with Steve Grogan (was the first QB I remember seeing) and then moving through the likes of Tony Eason, Doug Flutie, a couple of one-off no names I forget from the early 90s and then Drew Bledsoe, this regime has made me even more passionate about my team. Tomorrow I'm even hosting a Superbowl party with logo balloons, the entire family decked out in Pats gear and a table laden with things like homemade New England clam chowder and Boston Creme Cake. Isn't that what fandom is all about? :)
So net-net I was just sharing my own perspective and having fun with it. I'm sorry that you find the board to be tedious, but I guess opinions will differ there too as I find it better than it has ever been. I am on more now than I have been in years because the trolling is much lighter now and more fun can be had with the topics. Again, just one man's opinion fwiw and I'm sure that not everyone shares the same opinions that I do.
Have fun I'm probably gonna bet on the Pats that's been the only team that cost me during the playoffs, hope they win, I need the money: ), I'll be hosting a Super Bowl party myself, hope the weather holds up, so we can watch on the patio and I'll fire up the bar-b-cue and cook shit pile of wings, burgers and hot dogs, beer is in the cooler outside and I'll fill it with ice in the morning, should be a good time, at least a dozen folks will be here.
" The pagentry and spectacle remains, but the fun is no longer the game, now all of the chatter on Monday will be about the commercials and advertisements, too bad for us it feels like we lost a lot."
I have to disagree with that. Years ago many of the games were blowouts that were basically over by halftime. Recent years many of the games have been very competitive often coming down to the wire including the Pats and Falcons 2 years ago that looked like a blowout at halftime but drastically changed in the second half. I'm probably in the minority, but I often ignore most of the commercials and only find a couple of the ones I watch entertaining. I hate the commercialism part of it.
^ I agree. It is a shame that the game now plays second fiddle to the halftime show and the commercials. It has become more of a spectacle than a sporting contest.
I’ll try to bite my tongue and hold back as much snark as possible, but I fail to see the problem with commercializating of football.
I could maybe understand the case for how sad Christmas is commercialized...because people argue that the consumer trap makes it more difficult to enjoy loved ones rather than easier.
But when it comes to football, most of the appeal of the sport has to do with appealing to our human sense of tribalism. You get pulled in with the group you identify with(usually, the group you support is geographically closest to you...whether currently or in childhood)
Because of that, it’s the socially acceptable way of enjoying being brainwashed to joining in with others for a common interest. Which is a good thing probably. Being a football fan is a safer way to be part of a hive mind than a religious cult, or even a mosh pit at a metal concert. But keeping that in mind, some corporation who wants in on the attention of a hive mind to encourage the masses to buy their laundry detergent isn’t ruining much, as far as I can tell.
Idk how I'd review SB3, but if I had to review the very 1st SB, I would have nominated Max McGee (#85 Packers WR) as SB1 MVP. He was a backup who figured that he wouldn't play so he spent the night partying. When one of the starters got injured, Max McGee went in to score the 1st touchdown in SB history and ended up catching 2 Touchdown Passes. Tuscl legend material.
Don’t let facts get in the way of a good argument. Take a look at Kaepernick’s stats and Namath’s stats.
Kaepernick - career completion 59.8% and 72 TDs against 30 INTs. Last season in league (12 games) 59.2% 16 TD and 4 INT. He put up great numbers on an awful SF team that last year.
Namath - career 50.1% 170 TDs and 220 picks. Yes, even though it was a different era, I’m pretty sure more picks than TDs has always been bad.
But keep telling yourself that the decision to not give Kaepernick a roster spot is about his talent and Namath belongs in the hall of fame.
Happen to watch the Namath Documentary on HBO last night, it was good. He was way before my time I didn't realize how famous he really was, speaking of commercialization of football, he was a big part of that. He got paid $10k to shave his mustache ha.
@Jimmy Truthfully I don’t know whether Kaepernick deserves a spot on somebody’s roster or not, but Namath put the NFL in the popular position it is in now, back then baseball was the more popular and followed sport, but Namath came along and boosted the popularity of football to where it is now probably the biggest money making machine in at least, American sports.
Flag, I was responding to Rick who posted that the only difference between Kaepernick and Namath was talent. And I’m pretty sure I acknowledged that they weren’t contemporaries. But feel free to continue to troll and ignore what’s right in front of your eyes. It’s not that long of a thread if you have basic reading comprehension. Try to keep up.
25, I agree with all that. I was a jets fan and had a Namath T-shirt Jersey as a kid. Saw my first football game at Shea stadium and Namath was he qb. The only reason I posted was the public narrative for guys is often belied by the stats. Kaepernick was a good qb and that gets lost because people want to hate him for his protest. Just to have a little more fun, Tom Brady has been accused of cheating more times than Kaep AND Brady has fathered more kids out of wedlock than Kaep. :D
^ I agree that Brady has been accused of cheating numerous times, but there’s no indication that I ever heard that his eldest son was him cheating on Giselle, my understanding was that the child was conceived prior to his meeting and subsequent marriage to Giselle.
“Two months into our relationship, Tom told me that his ex-girlfriend was pregnant. The very next day the news was everywhere, and I felt my world had been turned upside down,” Bündchen, 38, penned in her memoir, “Lessons: My Path to a Meaningful Life.”
Sounds to me that he was conceived before they got together.
@JimmyFuckStain You did, but you used their comparison to support that Kaepernick should have a roster spot. I simply explained why your reasoning was idiotic.
25, poorly written sentence by me. I meant ‘cheating’ only with respect to deflategate. ‘Fathering kids out of wedlock’ was a separate thought that I didn’t make clear.
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The difference between the old Colts and the modern Pats are too many to easily list, most notably that the Pats have done what almost any expert would have said was impossible in the salary cap era. Those old dynasty teams had mostly the same crews year over year and that includes the Cowboys and the 49ers for their great runs. The Pats have had to constantly reinvent themselves year over year as their roster is constantly in flux. Some years their defense is great and other years mediocre at best. Some years they have a good receiving core and other years almost nothing but scrubs. Some years they have strong running backs and other years it is entirely on Brady's shoulders. Yet they keep finding ways to win.
Needless to say, I am excited to see Brady have the chance to cement his place as the greatest of all time and the Pats as a dynasty that we may never see again in the salary cap era. Indeed, the whole point of the salary cap was to force parity on the league, which has been further supported by NFLPA bargaining which has resulted in yet greater player mobility.
Kaepernick who? Seriously, the difference between him and Namath is that Namath was talented enough to overcome flamboyance and publicity stunts while Kaepernick was headed to the chopping block even before his stunt. A lot of sins are forgiven by NFL teams if you are a great player, but ol' Colin was just not good enough to tempt any team to deal with the controversy surrounding him. So now he gets to do his afro commercials for big bucks with sneaker companies.
@flagooner my point was everything here becomes politicized and polarized, a football game is just game, winning or losing doesn’t enhance anyone’s POV. I mean really I just enjoy having a good time there’s really no hidden meaning to it.
So net-net I was just sharing my own perspective and having fun with it. I'm sorry that you find the board to be tedious, but I guess opinions will differ there too as I find it better than it has ever been. I am on more now than I have been in years because the trolling is much lighter now and more fun can be had with the topics. Again, just one man's opinion fwiw and I'm sure that not everyone shares the same opinions that I do.
I'll be hosting a Super Bowl party myself, hope the weather holds up, so we can watch on the patio and I'll fire up the bar-b-cue and cook shit pile of wings, burgers and hot dogs, beer is in the cooler outside and I'll fill it with ice in the morning, should be a good time, at least a dozen folks will be here.
I have to disagree with that. Years ago many of the games were blowouts that were basically over by halftime. Recent years many of the games have been very competitive often coming down to the wire including the Pats and Falcons 2 years ago that looked like a blowout at halftime but drastically changed in the second half.
I'm probably in the minority, but I often ignore most of the commercials and only find a couple of the ones I watch entertaining. I hate the commercialism part of it.
I could maybe understand the case for how sad Christmas is commercialized...because people argue that the consumer trap makes it more difficult to enjoy loved ones rather than easier.
But when it comes to football, most of the appeal of the sport has to do with appealing to our human sense of tribalism. You get pulled in with the group you identify with(usually, the group you support is geographically closest to you...whether currently or in childhood)
Because of that, it’s the socially acceptable way of enjoying being brainwashed to joining in with others for a common interest. Which is a good thing probably. Being a football fan is a safer way to be part of a hive mind than a religious cult, or even a mosh pit at a metal concert. But keeping that in mind, some corporation who wants in on the attention of a hive mind to encourage the masses to buy their laundry detergent isn’t ruining much, as far as I can tell.
Kaepernick - career completion 59.8% and 72 TDs against 30 INTs. Last season in league (12 games) 59.2% 16 TD and 4 INT. He put up great numbers on an awful SF team that last year.
Namath - career 50.1% 170 TDs and 220 picks. Yes, even though it was a different era, I’m pretty sure more picks than TDs has always been bad.
But keep telling yourself that the decision to not give Kaepernick a roster spot is about his talent and Namath belongs in the hall of fame.
Fucking dumbass.
Truthfully I don’t know whether Kaepernick deserves a spot on somebody’s roster or not, but Namath put the NFL in the popular position it is in now, back then baseball was the more popular and followed sport, but Namath came along and boosted the popularity of football to where it is now probably the biggest money making machine in at least, American sports.
Sounds to me that he was conceived before they got together.
@JimmyFuckStain
You did, but you used their comparison to support that Kaepernick should have a roster spot. I simply explained why your reasoning was idiotic.
Flag, whatever dude.