Getting her into it

Dancers are "on alert" with a new customer on the first song. It is a good idea I think to view the first song as sort of like the door fee to the club... It is mainly the price to get started. So I mostly follow the expected rules, leave my hands near my legs and make some light conversation.

If there is a good vibe developing, the second song is time to try some minor exploring, rubbing her legs and back.

I like to try and remember the feet. If she has crawled onto me with both feet off the floor, tuck her feet under my elbows. Sometimes the A/C is strong in clubs. Dancers get cold feet, and they often like this. Feet are sensitive too, both the top of the foot and the sole. You can stroke or tickle her feet with your hands while maintaining body contact along your arm and her legs.

The neck is another sensitive area guys forget about. I will try to rub my face in there if she is close enough. Sometimes girls pull back and say it is too intimate - others smile and let the mood develop.

By the end of the second song she has probably begun rubbing her breasts on my face (and perhaps begun suggesting we go to VIP).

I suppose the answer is that I like to just explore at a gradual pace, and see what happens. Asking seems too point blank to me.... The discovery of how well you interact with each other is part of the adventure.

By the third or fourth song you should be very close and can try some dirty talk. Ladies encounter guys all the time who want to feel them up. It don't need to be porn dialogue - just open up mentally, tell her what about her appeals to you, that you are enjoying this. If things are going very well, this may be where she begins whispering hints of how freaky she can get with you in VIP, and you finally agree - as she is probably warmed up and ready!

Money is what turns them on. Anything else they tell you is a lie.

I don't ask unless there is something obviously wrong with a dancer.

When I was at Pandora's in Seattle, decided to take a popular blonde for a spin. She was surprinsingly much more attractive than her review mileage suggested, but had dead eyes and no heat at all. She might as well have been inflatable.

So I asked her if there's anything she wanted. She told me she'd been dancing there for 10 years and nothing customers do can turn her on anymore. Then she pulled her hair up and tied it off on top of her head like trailer park Pebbles and got going.

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Tell her you're a TUSCLer

Tell her you're 9 and a half inches hard

As w/ most women, strippers or not, being kind can often bring-out the best in them.

Having said this - it seems too-many PLs see things thru PL-goggles - PLs go to the club to relax, or get their freak-on - whereas dancers go to hustle and make $$$, not looking to get turned-on (with some exceptions IMO, since there are always exceptions) - seems many PLs subconsciously think dancers think like they do and want what they want - I would say that with some exceptions, dancers and custies usually have diametrically opposed agendas in the club.

As far as I'm concerned I try to treat dancers fairly, but I am not gonna bend-over-backwards like massaging their feet and shit like that, they are there to tend to our needs, not us tend to theirs - cool for the PL that likes to that and thinks he's getting better service b/c of it, but IMO it's a crapshoot at best in that often times the more the PL goes out of his way to please a dancer (aka kiss her ass) it's a crapshoot as to how she will respond either treating you better or just taking your RIL ass for granted and actually doing less for you thinking she has you eating out of the palm of her stripper-hand.

Most of the times when I see a stripper genuinely appreciate something I do it usually has to do with leaving a nice tip.

I have never flat out asked. I do tend to ask if a dancer is bothered by me touching her neck/cheek/hair. It is not so much to actually get permission but asking that communicates to her that that is the kind of touch I particularly enjoy.

I think some of whether a dancer is into it can just depend on her mood. I do think it takes 3-4 visits to get the most out of someone.

I did have a long term fav tell me she liked being scratched and particularly in a few specific ways. This was after getting dances with her for a long while and she was clearly a little shy/embarrassed about it. I will NEVER EVER forget the look on her face when I started scratching her! You know a lot of the time here on TUSCL people talk about how dancers fake things and there is good reason to help RILs. But the look on that girls face when I stared scratching her was absolutely genuine. She was young, still exploring her sexuality and was comfortable asking me to do something with her that she loved (but was scared to ask for). It was a really rad and memorable experience!

In general, its not gonna happen. She's there to work and odds are the customer isn't her type....

If you can hit it off with a girl great though. But its like a girl anywhere, you know when its real vs bs.

I will massage a dancers back or shoulders and that has been an effective way to get a dancer to loosen up. I don't mind doing it with my fave as she returns the favor in other ways. As with anything it's a crap shoot. But I've found most dancers appreciate it.

Its pretty simple. Take a shower before you go to the club, tip her well, treat her with a little respect and before the LD starts say you would like to get 3-4 songs. I love the "3-4 songs" line with newbie. They slip out of thier heels, tie thier hair back and get comfortable.