Is the strip club decline widespread, or just in my area?

Seems good SC areas are more of the exception than the norm - and for the last few years seems many cities look at strip-clubs as eyesores they don't want in their city, a good # of cities have made it hard if not impossible for them to stay in biz - there are still decent/good areas/cities but they are the minority.

Here I thought we were in the midst of a golden age. There seems to be way less of a stigma of strip clubs/being a stripper. I would love to hear what people respond with here.

The Bible Belt giving clubs a hard time doesn’t surprise me though.

The good areas seem to be thriving - but seems a lot of areas which once had good SC scenes are now bad or non-existent

there is a decline. there are less clubs and many are thinly veiled fronts for prostitution and drug sales.

Less clubs in New England; less customers.

Widespread.

It’s happened in east St. Louis clubs bad. Roxy and pink slip closed and the ones that are open seem like in a state of bad decline. I think lack of attendance is spelling doom at least around here

I think its night life in general. I know bottle service killed clubs. With strip clubs, in my opinion its about a shift to hoeing online.

I haven't really seen any changes; sure some clubs have closed but a few new ones have tried to open as well (Scores, Legends Room). One thing I have noticed is how more open people are about the clubs although it could just be my naivete or the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon. I've seen people at my poker tables openly talking about going to a club later on or asking me if I recommend any good places to party. I even remember someone at one of my high-roller tables heading over to the Spearmint Rhino in my city during the day because there wasn't enough action at the table (other players I've seen go play Craps or Blackjack when they don't want to leave the casino).

If the Internet was a root cause, then the number of clubs would have been shrinking from 2002-2008, when high speed Internet became widely available across the country. Instead the number of clubs expanded by a lot during that time, even as online porn and cam were becoming more popular.

IMHO the single biggest cause was the recession and following extended period of economic malaise during a meager "recovery." There were simply too many clubs for the new economic reality that plagued us until just the last year or so and many areas still have not recovered as well or as evenly as others. A lot of people dropped out of the workforce during that period, which certainly didn't help matters.

Population shifts are also hurting clubs in the northeast and other northern areas. CT, NJ and MI are three examples of states that are losing affluent residents to places like TX and FL and I'm sure there are others. With that migration goes dollars that were spent in clubs in those areas.

There are also political and societal changes which are causing headwinds. As we all know, local governments in many areas are zoning out clubs and/or preventing new clubs from opening to replace those that close. For example, it is almost impossible to open up a new club in NY or any of the New England states, so when one closes for whatever reason, it does not get replaced.

Where I now live, which is the beneficiary of both positive migration and a booming economy, the clubs are flourishing and we've even had two new ones open in the last few years. This tells me all I need to know about the ongoing viability of strip clubs, which is that they will likely continue to see demand in places where the conditions are good.

On the one hand it sounds like we are in the golden age of extras. However, in most major metros when a club closes for any reason, it's nearly impossible to open a new club.

Really though metros don't need dozens of neighborhood clubs. Having one club that all the dancers and Partons know is the best club helps everyone as long as management isn't predatory.

In my area, the northeast/Boston, I don't think they declined from where they were about 20 years ago. IMHO I'd say both the talent and "services" are better then when I started clubbing around here in 2001. However they're not as good as they were during the 2004 to 2013 peak. Also clubs are constantly evolving. One club closes, then a new one opens. One club looses its hotties, another club picks up some hot new chicks. One club cracks down on extras, another one loosens its rules and improves the privacy of it's CR. Things are always changing, evolving... Just like the dames, old broads retire, young new girls start hustling.

^Holy cow, deja vu. https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showth…

I hate to admit it and feed Dugan’s ego. But he has a good point there.

Speaking of quoting stripperweb, I remember somebody stated that (on a thread about worst US dancing cities):

“And on top of all of this other bullshit, the money is not that great in most US cities right now. I fully expect that "urban" clubs where they throw money for stage sets will by far surpass the traditional Gentleman's clubs and titty bars in the next 5-10 years if they haven't already.”

^And I suspect she is right.

When you talk to old timers, I know for a fact they just hype the past up on everything. “You missed it dude, you missed it!” It’s hard to gauge it cause everybody spits out nostalgic bullshit. I’ll even lie to myself sometimes.

What hasn’t been mentioned is also a general decline in dancer quality. I’ve been going to clubs for decades, and I remember clubs in some cities literally overflowing with playmate-level stunning women. Call me an old fart, but in my opinion, the proliferation of tats, piercings, goth, drug use, etc. among some dancers has pulled down the entire industry. I remember my first stops into Baby Dolls Dallas and Treasures in Houston in the early 2000s. Every dancer, and I mean every fucking dancer was drop dead model gorgeous. I would walk in with my head on a swivel, not knowing where to start. Go to those clubs today, and maybe 10-15% of the dancers fall into that OMFG category, with the rest being overweight, too old, drugged out, or just not exceptional. I know this hobby makes us jaded about women and their looks, but in my opinion, there has been a decline. There are a few exceptions, like maybe the Vegas Rhino, but they are rare today. For some, the thrill of the elusive 10 keeps pulling us back, but for the masses, most clubs just aren’t that appealing any more.

In this discussion, I don't see how you can leave out the competition from the sugaring scene.

In my area there are something like 8000 college students at any point in time and the mix churns in and out as new students come sign in and the population grows. If you select from the top 5%, that still leaves 400 to choose from, which is probably an order-of-magnitude more choices (in that age group) than all the strip clubs in the city. The dive-ier places I went to three years ago have gone to hell. We do have beautiful girls at three low-contact, high-end, strip clubs within driving distance; they also pull from some big colleges nearby. But why pay several hundred dollars for drinks and lap-dances when I can take a college-age SB to my house, turn on the fireplace, and have a great evening together? Current SB since August is a 21-yr-old blonde bombshell, easily stripper quality at a high-end club.

Brick-and-mortar clubs only make sense for spur-of-the-moment fun and I bet the strip-club decline will continue.

nicespice posted: "^Holy cow, deja vu. www.stripperweb.com

I hate to admit it and feed Dugan’s ego. But he has a good point there. "

Why re-invent the wheel for the same topic? Also, fear not on the ego feeding front. I don't take anything posted here seriously enough for that to ever happen. ;)

Pretty good thread from 2017 on the same topic:

https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php5?id…

DC the majority of the male population, the vast majority, doesn't rely on paying women to let them touch them....

DC, even your bs stats claim 70% of men don't have to pay for sex. You're acting like having to pay for pussy is something to brag about. It isn't

^Who said anything about HAVING to pay for sex? What about those who choose to do so because it best serves their purposes?

^ Wanna join in on this battle of trolls?

You don't pay for sex. You pay her to leave after.

*Rimshot*

Wow @Randumb
I didn't realize every coed was looking for a sugaring relationship.

I’ve been going to amps more. Cheaper and you get exactly what you want!

Its 8000 out of over 100,000 and 8% is the published participation rate

Over 100K students within driving a distance fruitcup

@Random I honestly doubt there is even close to the participation rate that you believe is available.

@OP I think strip clubs are pretty much the same as they always have been, it's cyclical, and the areas that are good, are in the upswing part of the cycle, the areas that used to be good are on the downside at this time, my opinion it's the economy and the area, and the correlation between disposable income and public perception plays a larger role, than many here are giving credit to.It's very similar to many things in American life, shopping malls are changing, the public taste changes, some entrepreneur, will come up with a new concept, or twist and it will all swing that way. In general Nightclubs, are just like restaurants, there is always a search for the next big thing.

@Randumb
Thanks for the clarification. I'm not intimately familiar with where you are from.

You had written "In my area there are something like 8000 college students at any point in time..."
I guess I should have known what you meant instead of what you wrote.

You later wrote, "If you select from the top 5%, that still leaves 400 to choose from, "
Do you really mean that I can choose any of the girls in the top 5% and she gets no say in it?

@Fruitcup- My original post was very unclear. So you win this one.

I just did a search and there are currently 6301 girls in my area age 18-26 who have completed college or who are in school (you can filter by education). This would leave out the over-26 crowd still in school.

@25 - as I recall, Seeking Arrangement's published college participation rate is about 8% in my area. I'm too lazy to research the college population, but I can think of four state schools and two private schools within driving distance -- well over 100,000 students, but I should divide by 2 as @DC points out.

The point I'm trying to make is that the top 5% or so of this online pool can be at least as attractive as the pool of strippers in my area. More to choose from online -- maybe by a factor of 10. And for every stripper that goes home with customers, there are probably three others that don't, and I'm no longer interested in lap dances.

Of course, she gets to say "no." Some of these girls get hundreds of messages and sugaring in that category has almost no resemblance to the escort world where they always say "yes." However, this 21-yr-old I've been seeing since August I would rank in the top 1% of SA girls and this one did say "yes."

I would assume a decent chunk of SA girls are "window shopping" or who overvalue their pussy (or think you can sugar without sex)

^^ true

^^ take a look at @Drake's post where he posed as an attractive girl.

^
Since you don't qualify regarding being able to wear men's pants you'd fit right in as a girl albeit an ugly one, dipshit!

You're such a shallow little dipshit, @OSU. But you're not the most annoying person on TUSCl. Just dumb as a fucking brick

The guys at SA marketing are probably not great at math. But I doubt there are 1 million college-aged strippers. No?

You know what really defines a shallow little dipshit rumdum?

A wimpy liberal that resorts to name calling and flinging insults when someone says something he disagrees with then throws a tantrum and goes crying to the website owner when he's exposed for who he really is AKA the "realdougster" troll and later exposed as the broken english speaking troll AKA "Sven69"

A guy on a site dedicated to strip club discussions and reviews that has never reviewed a strip club that originally only joined to post his leftist agenda AKA "josh43"

A guy on a site dedicated to strip club discussions and reviews that has never reviewed a strip club who after being called on his "josh43" account then changed his name to continue posting his leftist agenda AKA "rumdummoron"

Wait rumdum! All of those people turned out to be you, that's truly pathetic! Wouldn't you fit in and be more comfortable on the antifa website or did you find out that even though they're whacked out extremists they at least fit into and are capable of wearing big boy pants, something you'll never be able to do!

Regarding being dumb as a fucking brick, you wrote the book dipshit! Lol

Based on the clubs I frequent, I would say the decline is widespread. Fewer customers and less money being spend, often fewer dancers on shift in general.

IMO, disposable income didn't recover after the 'great recession,' not enough money being spent to draw top talent.

If we just start with this century, around the early-mid 2000's what were highlight towns? How many of those towns are still destination places? Detroit, Miami, Los Angeles metro areas are still going strong. The options around LA are down but they started with a shit ton of quality clubs. Detroit is in the same boat. Most towns can't afford for 3 top clubs to all get smacked by LE around the same time.

How many others in the US have taken a big step back? Seattle? Providence? Atlanta? Tampa? Baltimore? Fayetteville? San Francisco? San Diego? Houston? Columbia, SC? New Orleans? Vegas? These are towns where if you had a pulse you could have ridiculously good times in the strip clubs. Little to no skill required. Even Phoenix seems to be taking a hit lately.

Sure in that list of towns there might still be one or two top shelf clubs per town, but there used to me so much more in each of those the club scene. Or in a place like Vegas you're paying way more than scale because the choices are way down around the clubs. Better off in the casinos there anyway for a talent grab.

The impact of Instagram. A lot of the hottest women can now get OTC clients from direct messages. They don’t need to work in the club. That option was not there 10 years ago. That’s one factor why you’re seeing a decline in dancer quality and quantity.

Nice summary by wallanon

As some have mentioned, post-2008-recession many folks are still gun-shy w.r.t. discretionary-spending specifically mongering - mongering is an expensive-hobby.

In many clubs I visit, I see way more spectators than buyers (could be a regional thing or the particular clubs I hit - there are def clubs where it seems lots of dances are sold) - SCing is expensive - 12-minutes of fun/lap-dances can often mean you're down close to a 100-bucks, just like that - some custies may not blink at that, but for the avg SCer it probably weighs on their mind of how fast one can burn thru cash having SC-fun.

If more clubs/dancers focused on volume (cheaper dances and selling more dances) or at least have dance-specials throughout the night/day, I'd think that would loosen-up more wallets and more-$$$ being spent.

I've received more consistent SC mileage in the past 2 yrs than at any other time of "career."

^@ flagooner do you think that’s because,
A)you are more knowledgeable about how to attain what you want, recognize the signs that identity those girls that will accommodate your wishes,
B) generally a loosening of standards across the board here in Florida

It's a combination of things, but I don't think there has been a loosening of standards. I attribute it to (in no particular order):

1. Learning that the boundaries are much more customer friendly than previously recognized.

2. Visiting the right clubs

3. Establishing a reputation at a club or with specific girls.

4. Wearing the right attire.

5. Showering more often than weekly.

^ I hear you, it appears your answer is A, my own take on it is that I more often than not get the experience I want, because I know a lot more, and with all of the horsing around here on the board, we have all added to our collective knowledge, so another tidbit that has entered my mind, that even though there are so many complaints from folks that want to tell everyone how to go about their business, there is real educational value here, if someone wants to partake.

Yes, I would definitely attribute it to being more knowledgable.

Papi, I think the volume and price one is a classic economics problem. If the only variable was strippers and clubs wanting to maximize profits, cheaper dances seem the way to go. Get more customers in the door, reduce the time girls are sitting on their phones....

... Oh but that's the catch. A lot of girls like being lazy at work. They would rather do 1 VIP for one guy than 1 dance for 5 different guys. Extras girls don't do single dances, they want to sell blowjobs.

So it's tricky for sure.

@ JamesSD. A lot of people are lazy at work not just strippers and not just women.

It seems to be wide spread to me. Getting closer to home. In the Atlanta metro area there have been 4 clubs shut down or closed recently. All were mixed clubs. So now there are 27 legitimate clubs. 20 are black and 7 are mixed if you count the Clermont Lounge. 2 of those mixed clubs are in jeopardy...Oasis & Pink Pony have LE problems. Cheetah is trying to get bought out by developers.

I am starting to look at SA.

@shadow, I figured you'd have a roster of OTC girls you've pulled out of Follies, by now. Or do you want to start fresh?

My uninformed opinion (yes, I admit to being fallible) leads me to believe that, even here in Detroit, the SC is on the decline:(1) the nickle and dimeing for valet parking, booths, VIP entry, dance fees, drinks, meals, coat check and tips for everyone who is breathing has made SCs almost unaffordable for younger men; (2) as baby boomers face forced early retirements and loss of pensions, club visits become fewer; (3) ill-mannered, coarse and fugly dancers are driving customers away; (4) LE crackdowns in response to demands from active community groups--with a strong base of registered voters--will keep up the pressure, especially during an election year; (5) media portrayals of SCs as fronts for human trafficking are swaying state legislatures towards restrictive legislation; (6) the state and federal judiciary is moving, rapidly, to the right on many issues, including narrowing the right of a dancer to engage in "freedom of expression." We will see a return to banning topless or nude dancing as "gross indecency" and a violation of community norms. It is happening right now, but we won't see the full effect until about two years from now.

Widespread. There are less hot girls and less customers.

Seems like it goes in stages. Some high profile crackdowns, but then little by little mileage creep everywhere else.

But then there is also Walmartization, the legitimation, the cleaning up of strip clubs.

No front room intimacy, ruins the back room choreography.

Need to invent some new kind of venues, more resistant to LE.

SJG

Merkaba - Chariot of the Gods
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7TGz1bY…

Better to say, "it goes in cycles".

SJG

I wrote this post two months ago when there were 2,089 strips clubs in the United States. https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php5?id…

Now that number is down to 2,079 two months later. There is a definite decline.

I think someone posted previously that perhaps we are regressing back to the mean - i.e. there was a historic economic boom in the late-90s, we had a hiccup in 2000 that lasted for a bit but it was not a major shock to the system like 2008 - perhaps due to the long on-fire-economy there was over-capacity of strip-clubs which is not sustainable in the post-2008 financial reality and there is sorta of a correction (analogous to when Tiger Woods was on top and golf was super popular, seems everyone in their mother took up the game and there were courses being built left and right which now is not sustainable post 2008, and perhaps b/c of Tiger not being as prominent).

w.r.t. the nostalgia angle - could be that 20 years ago there were similar #s of good and bad SC areas except back then one was much less connected and informed so perhaps most PLs could not compare & contrast like we do today.