I was reading a blog where the topic of a post was Hooters restaurant chain where scantily clad pretty girls work as waitresses. One person commenting said he thought it was a good place to practice talking to girls. Another then commented that strip clubs would be good for that too. Do you think strip clubs would be good for that? If so, would that be only in certain situations and for certain types of guys or guys of a certain age?
No because in the strip club they'll tell you things that they know you want to hear. They don't mean a single word they say. If you want a genuine experience, do it somewhere where it isn't money motivated
Yes, just tell the stripper you want to be better at talking to girls. Most will give you legitimate advice, especially if it's to improve your real life chances with a girl other than her.
Doc you talk to women all the time. Believe it or not you have female family members; co-workers and friends. Speak to women the way you would speak to anyone else. Don't let the fact that you want them sexually interfere. If you want to practice talking to women join a club or take adult education classes. Talking to women who will tell you anything they think will separate you from your money will actually fuck up your chances for a normal conversation with a woman because it won't go the same way as it does when you speak to a wallet vacuum. I play a lot of real life poker and when I play no money on-line poker I am always amazed at how it teaches you nothing about playing poker for money. People don't play the same when it isn't their own money on the line. If you think practicing your slap shot will help you bowl better, learn how to speak with women in a strip club.
@2bits: yep they sure can. Of course you probably have never heard them say things like "MORE", "OH GOD YES!!!", "You are soooo large", "Take ME!!!", "NO! I can't take anymore", etc.
Are strip clubs a good place to practice talking to girls?
Yes, youll will improve your conversational skills, but its mostly small talk. i find it odd that the majority of comments on this duscussion say no, but when they are at the club they are more likely to decline buying dances from the "wanna dance types". i believe that you will improve in interpreting micro expessions in the face. Body language does not lie but lips do.
I personally don't even understand the concept of practicing talking to anyone, even girls. They're people. Talk to them. Want to learn to talk to girls? Talk to strangers? Talk to people in the elevator, the store, the market. The technical term for conversation is actually Social Intercourse. DC you're theory is dancers and escorts can teach a socially awkward guy how to talk to women in the civilian world? Pretty woman? Risky business?
Somewhat helps - better than nothing - but strip-clubs are a contrived environment - there really isn't a way to "strike out" in a strip-club as long as the dancer thinks you have $$$ to spend on her - no matter how much of a dork one is you won't "strike out" in a strip-club; one can say a dork may even do better than a normal-guy by virtue of him being an easier-mark.
Thus improving one's ability to approach women via visiting strip-clubs is kinda like learning how to fight when the other guy is being held down by a couple of guys while you practice your fighting skills.
As long as you realize they don't like you romantically in any way whatsoever, sure.
You can get comfortable talking to women you find attractive at the strip club. You can't "strike out" and most usually assist in keeping the conversation going.
Strip clubs are how I learned how to talk to women. You have some of the most beautiful women you'll ever meet, naked and in your lap, while you have a raging erection, and the only way you're going to have a good time with them is being confident and forward with your desires and how much you'll pay. If your anxiety gets in the way, you are going to lose a whole bunch of money. After a few times of this, you start to get sick of it and are pretty much forced into talking to them normally. At that point, talking to ugly, fat civie girls is no big deal.
For me, it was sort of like pooping in the military. It was a big deal for me to protect my privacy when I was pooping; I hated those huge holes in the door that would allow someone to look in whenever they wanted to. Once in the military, there were no walls or stall doors; you could high five the guy next to you and even watch the shit come out if him if you so desired. You pretty much only had one opportunity to shit each day and after having to hold it in for 9 hours straight, you really didn't give a shit about your privacy. You just needed to drop-trou and go. When I finally got out, pooping in stalls was no big deal; it was nice to have privacy but I could live without it.
"Strip clubs are a good place for learning to talk to girls, to flirt with them and to come on to them."
aww shit man. i've been doing it all wrong all these years.
i thought it was
Strip clubs are a good place for learning to talk to girls, to flirt with them and to cum on them.
I recall when the PUA reality show was on the air, one of the exercises/challenges they had the guys go through was having conversations with a room full of models walking around in lingerie.
The point wasn't to successfully pick up one of these women (as with a strip club or "breastaurant" staff, they were there as a job). The goal was for they guys to not be so overwhelmed/nervous around strikingly beautiful women that they couldn't carry on a conversation. It was more a desensitizing than "practice," per se.
@SkiBum: you seem to think this is nonsense, which for you might well be true. But there are an awful lot of introverts and otherwise socially awkward people in the world that didn't grow up with the ability to make conversation with any person they meet - especially a woman they find strikingly attractive.
To be clear, I think using a Hooters or a strip club has very limited "training value" for someone trying to improve their ability to talk to women. But as long as they're wary of the limitations (i.e. never trust someone that works on tips or commission), it is a potential step in the learning process.
"If you want to, they can teach you how to be good in bed as well."
Being good in bed is easy. if you want to please her, get hard put it in her and pretend you dont have a penis. Act like you are both lesbians rubbing your vaginas together, with your hard dick inside her.
if youre looking to please yourself, do what you see in porn.
The SC is fantasy land and NOT a good place to practice picking up women. Those slutz are getting paid to make you believe they like you. It’s gonna be a rude wake up call if you don’t have any game and try and approach women on the street.
*****"Depends on what you mean by “practice talking to girls.”
If you mean “how to talk civilian girls into jumping in the sack with me,” then probably not.
If you mean, “how to approach girls without looking like a creepy pervert, definitely not.
If, in the other hand, you mean “becoming more comfortable in the presence of girls, and not freezing up when having a conversation,” then possibly. "******** end quote
Agree with gmd above. An attractive stripper is far hotter than most women guys talk to. If you're overall nervous around women or get tongue-tied around attractive ones ... sure, I can see that once you become comfortable with a 9+ itc, the 6.5s who used to make you nervous, won't make you so nervous anymore. On the other hand, you can get away with saying creepy weird things to a stripper -- at least to a point -- and she'll laugh and make you think you're awesome anyway. So no, I don't think the feedback on your conversational skills is trustworthy.
The more important point: the strip club is not a benign environment. The kind of guys who are nervous and need to practice talking to girls, have the least confidence and most likely to be victimized by not just a ROB, but the more devastating romance-hustle types, etc.
The SC being a fantasy isn't the big speed bump here -- it's that a nervous insecure guy in the strip club, if he doesn't get fleeced or worse, it's just luck that he found good strippers. He won't have any of the tools to discern between everyday stripper hustle, and predatory stripper hustler
It’s like taking batting practice off a machine in a batting cage. It’s not the same as facing live pitching and breaking balls (see what I did there), but it *might* help you work out some flaws in your swing bwfore you step up to the major leagues.
Mostly no, because girls generally don't behave that way in real life. In fact, I could see some guys' behavior with women becoming warped, especially if they spend an excessive amount of time in clubs.
Absolutely it's a good place to get started, in fact the best place IMHO.
It's like learning to ride a bike with training wheels. Half of learning to ride a bike is getting past the fear of falling off.
Strip clubs are a very safe environment in that most girls aren't gonna walk/run away. As a guy you can then get use to being calm as hell talking around girls you're really attracted to sexually.
Is it the same as civii chicks, no, but you'll be glad that you practiced talking to HOT women.
It completely improved my game outside the club. An nope didn't land a third of the girls I wanted but fuck I was at least in the running.
My opinion:
Depends on what stresses you about talking to girls. If you find yourself continually being distracted by tits while talking to civvie chicks? Hell yes. Exposure therapy and all that. If it's just general nervousness being around a pretty girl? Yup. If you actually need to work on your general conversational skills? Ehhhh. Probably not. Not to say that strippers can't converse (I've had some wonderful post-coital conversations with strippers,) but you need to be able to hold up your end of the convo.
Papi - I don’t think strip clubs help social skills at all. In all honesty, they might hurt social skills, as they make boring, old, ugly guys think they are interesting, sexy and handsome!
I think a club is a place guys can develop bad habits, but also can learn not to stress out about girls. The fact is clubs are bizzaro world in that the girls approach and they are selling something. They will laugh at bad jokes and may agree with political stances they actually disagree strongly with.
On the other hand being approached by dancers you are not into is a useful exercise in understanding the position women are often put in. It also can give better understanding of how a 7 with the right personality can become a 9, a 9 with no spark can become a 6.
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Why go to club when u can come to my house?
Why go to club when u can come to my house?
Why go to club when u can come to my house?
Why go to club when u can come to my house?
Yes, youll will improve your conversational skills, but its mostly small talk. i find it odd that the majority of comments on this duscussion say no, but when they are at the club they are more likely to decline buying dances from the "wanna dance types". i believe that you will improve in interpreting micro expessions in the face. Body language does not lie but lips do.
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And there is a limit to how far a girl will go in flirting just for money. They can easily be gotten way beyond that limit.
But skibum609 and all the idiots here, you believe what you want.
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Thus improving one's ability to approach women via visiting strip-clubs is kinda like learning how to fight when the other guy is being held down by a couple of guys while you practice your fighting skills.
You can get comfortable talking to women you find attractive at the strip club. You can't "strike out" and most usually assist in keeping the conversation going.
For me, it was sort of like pooping in the military. It was a big deal for me to protect my privacy when I was pooping; I hated those huge holes in the door that would allow someone to look in whenever they wanted to. Once in the military, there were no walls or stall doors; you could high five the guy next to you and even watch the shit come out if him if you so desired. You pretty much only had one opportunity to shit each day and after having to hold it in for 9 hours straight, you really didn't give a shit about your privacy. You just needed to drop-trou and go. When I finally got out, pooping in stalls was no big deal; it was nice to have privacy but I could live without it.
aww shit man. i've been doing it all wrong all these years.
i thought it was
Strip clubs are a good place for learning to talk to girls, to flirt with them and to cum on them.
The point wasn't to successfully pick up one of these women (as with a strip club or "breastaurant" staff, they were there as a job). The goal was for they guys to not be so overwhelmed/nervous around strikingly beautiful women that they couldn't carry on a conversation. It was more a desensitizing than "practice," per se.
@SkiBum: you seem to think this is nonsense, which for you might well be true. But there are an awful lot of introverts and otherwise socially awkward people in the world that didn't grow up with the ability to make conversation with any person they meet - especially a woman they find strikingly attractive.
To be clear, I think using a Hooters or a strip club has very limited "training value" for someone trying to improve their ability to talk to women. But as long as they're wary of the limitations (i.e. never trust someone that works on tips or commission), it is a potential step in the learning process.
As for the thread, sex workers are great teachers if you need us to be ;)
If you mean “how to talk civilian girls into jumping in the sack with me,” then probably not.
If you mean, “how to approach girls without looking like a creepy pervert, definitely not.
If, in the other hand, you mean “becoming more comfortable in the presence of girls, and not freezing up when having a conversation,” then possibly.
As has been said, just talk. It’s not rocket science.
Being good in bed is easy. if you want to please her, get hard put it in her and pretend you dont have a penis. Act like you are both lesbians rubbing your vaginas together, with your hard dick inside her.
if youre looking to please yourself, do what you see in porn.
you're welcome!
If you mean “how to talk civilian girls into jumping in the sack with me,” then probably not.
If you mean, “how to approach girls without looking like a creepy pervert, definitely not.
If, in the other hand, you mean “becoming more comfortable in the presence of girls, and not freezing up when having a conversation,” then possibly. "******** end quote
Agree with gmd above. An attractive stripper is far hotter than most women guys talk to. If you're overall nervous around women or get tongue-tied around attractive ones ... sure, I can see that once you become comfortable with a 9+ itc, the 6.5s who used to make you nervous, won't make you so nervous anymore. On the other hand, you can get away with saying creepy weird things to a stripper -- at least to a point -- and she'll laugh and make you think you're awesome anyway. So no, I don't think the feedback on your conversational skills is trustworthy.
The more important point: the strip club is not a benign environment. The kind of guys who are nervous and need to practice talking to girls, have the least confidence and most likely to be victimized by not just a ROB, but the more devastating romance-hustle types, etc.
The SC being a fantasy isn't the big speed bump here -- it's that a nervous insecure guy in the strip club, if he doesn't get fleeced or worse, it's just luck that he found good strippers. He won't have any of the tools to discern between everyday stripper hustle, and predatory stripper hustler
It's like learning to ride a bike with training wheels. Half of learning to ride a bike is getting past the fear of falling off.
Strip clubs are a very safe environment in that most girls aren't gonna walk/run away. As a guy you can then get use to being calm as hell talking around girls you're really attracted to sexually.
Is it the same as civii chicks, no, but you'll be glad that you practiced talking to HOT women.
It completely improved my game outside the club. An nope didn't land a third of the girls I wanted but fuck I was at least in the running.
Depends on what stresses you about talking to girls. If you find yourself continually being distracted by tits while talking to civvie chicks? Hell yes. Exposure therapy and all that. If it's just general nervousness being around a pretty girl? Yup. If you actually need to work on your general conversational skills? Ehhhh. Probably not. Not to say that strippers can't converse (I've had some wonderful post-coital conversations with strippers,) but you need to be able to hold up your end of the convo.
I guess that might be considered practicing talking to girls?
:)
So strip clubs are great places for learning to talk to girls.
SJG
san_jose_guy - commonly referred to as SJG this forum member is usually mocked or ignored, his comments should NOT be taken in any way as legitimate