Got Hustled Out of $500 Last Night
Icer12
Oklahoma
I get my first dance from Maui and she was super nice and real with me. I asked her if she did extras and she politely said no. I asked if she knew anyone else in the club that did that, and she said there was probably just this one particular girl. She pointed her out to me and I saw her as she was walking to the back of the club. She actually was leaving for the night and so I missed my chance.
While I was waiting to see if she would come out from the back, another girl walked up to me and asked if I was wanting to hang out on the couch. I told her I was just waiting for a certain girl because I was looking for extras and she is the only one that supposedly does it. This girl (I wish I got her name but I never did) said that she could offer extras.
I said, what do you offer? She said that "It's stuff they don't like us talking about out here. But let's go to VIP and 'have some fun."
I figured she was going to get in there and tell me the price of a BJ and then go down on me. But she started dancing and I thought "just go with the flow. She'll dance for a little bit to get me hard and then she'll go down." Then after she danced for awhile, I asked "are you going to offer extras?" Then the song ended and she said "only if you have more money."
The first dancer who was super nice charged me $120 to go into VIP for some dances. Supposedly it's $100 to go back there and then $20 is what she gets for the time. Well this new girl that hustled me charged me $200 for THE SAME THING. I figured the price was higher because that extra $80 was basically paying for the BJ. But NOPE! She just danced and did nothing else. After I kept explaining this to her over and over, she just left and said "well if you have more money then we can talk about doing more. You paid for the dance and I'm done with that so I'm gonna go." Then she just walked out.
After basically chasing her around the room like a little lost puppy and looking like an idiot, I finally convinced her that I could spend another $300 on her if she does extras. Whenever I kept trying to make her get specific, she would be super vague by saying "we'll have some fun back in VIP" but she said it in a way that made it sound like she's saying "I'm gonna fuck you but I can't say that out here."
So like the idiot I am, I go back and THE SAME EXACT THING HAPPENS AGAIN!!! She just dances, and whenever I talk about getting a blowjob she just says "well yeah if you have more money." Whenever I'm saying "I've already spent $500 on you! Shouldn't that be enough for a BJ?" She says that that money was going towards those dances that she did. If she gave me a BJ then I basically never paid her for her dancing time.
FUCK!!
I hate this bitch so much but I want to fuck her brains out even more than I hate her because she's so sexy haha ughhh...
This is the worst.
I intended on coming in and spending maybe $180 but left $500 poorer.
I've read on this site, so many guys that got a BJ or HJ for only like $40-$80 maybe up to $200. That was definitely NOT my experience. I'll never make this mistake again...
This happened at Night Trips in Tulsa, OK btw
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Sorry this happened to you, bro. All of us have probably made dumb mistakes like this at some point or other, most important thing is not to repeat, ever. First time, I get -- you're thinking with your little head, you underestimate how deceptive some strippers are, you don't realize that there's no "of course she won't rip me off, she wants to keep me happy so I return", etc. So you get a "sorry this happened to you, bro" **one** time from me... repeating is the point at which I lose all sympathy. Believing "we'll have a good time in the back" and other such vague promises -- sucker mistakes, and you're no longer a sucker.
Over the years I learned that if she can't get my Johnson at full attention on the floor there is a good likelihood thAt we will have have an extra good time in the back room. Especially true if you have an easy rapport with her during floor dance time. This is typically evident ( for me) by the 2nd or third song.
If she isn't tugging rubbing or humming on your little buddy by the 2nd or 3rd floor dance it is time to thank her for her time and continue treating your self with other options.
A simple thank you , that was great will end the encounter. other dancers will come around soon enough. And rule #1. Don't fall in love with a stripper. Ever. Not even just a little puppy dog crush.
i’m still learning.
Negotiate BEFORE you go back. No exceptions. Her excuse about not being able to talk about it on the floor was bullshit. By her being vague and not discussing it she gave herself an easy way out to take your money and not perform. Then you went and did the same thing again! That's totally on you.
Read the other reviews of that club and see if anyone mentions getting extras. If not, then don't try your luck. If so, maybe PM those reviewers to see if they'd be willing to help you out with some names. Otherwise, you'll have to find out the old fashioned way.
This is incredibly hard to internalize, IMO. Your dick is hard, you've fantasized about what's going to happen, and "welp, I've already spent $100, and nothing to show for it -- might as well spend another $100 and get my BJ" is super easy to rationalize ... but the BJ never happens.
The number one red flag is when they say "I can't talk about it on the floor but we can talk about it in the VIP." You lose all your leverage.
My first time in the VIP without negotiating beforehand was great, she did CFS for $80 (plus $105 for the room); however, the 2nd time in the VIP without negotiating I was given a HJ for $120 (plus $105 for the room). So after that experience, I decided no matter how hot the dancer, I would not go to the VIP until we negotiate before.
That was an expensive learning experience.
Agree. YOu fall for this, you're a newbie or a dummy. Icer12 is a newbie, but he only gets to claim that once. Don't do it again, or you know what that makes you LOL
Icer12-->"Whenever I kept pushing to see what service I could get for $300 more she was saying "are you a cop or something?" and I feel like no matter what I said, I couldn't convince her I wasn't a cop. "
She wasn't worried that you were a cop, and there was no need to "convince" her otherwise. She basically effortlessly deflected your attempts and put you on the defensive. You need to be able to recognize hustle and manipulation for what it is.
TFP-->"Read the other reviews of that club and see if anyone mentions getting extras. If not, then don't try your luck."
Agree. Don't try to beat the system until you're a bit more experienced, and can at least recognize the most obvious hustle and ROB tactics
When a dancer won’t discuss specifics on the floor - she’s not going to do extras (or she’s very unlikely to) in the back.
Negotiate on the floor/front room. If there’s no agreement to a specific act, then don’t spend on her.
If you get her in the back, and she doesn’t deliver in the first or second songs - stop her - and pay her for the dances - and no tip.
Don’t chase strippers who don’t deliver. You gave her a chance - you have money - and she didn’t deliver. Cut your losses, and move on. Dancers are a dime a dozen - and dirty dancers might be 11 cents a dozen - so neither is a rare find.
You have money - they want your money. But you determine who gets paid based on what she delivers. Don’t allow the dancer to control your wallet by her grip on your dick!
Switch clubs I guess?
Also - not every club is extras-heavy - despite what you may have gleamed from TUSCL, extras don't necessarily happen just b/c one is willing to pay for them - not every girl does extras and in some clubs they may be rare if not allowed at all (cameras in VIP, etc).
You went to the club misinformed and w/ lots of $$$, bad combo and thus the results.
-->" I couldn't convince her I wasn't a cop. I was like, "what do I have to do to prove that I'm not a cop?" and that almost turned her off even more. She must've been getting more and more suspicious"
He still thinks her suspicion of him being a cop was real... Icer, you need to figure out where all the mistakes are and learn from them brother! That girl was suspicious of nothing
OP, as subraman and others pointed out, one of the hardest lessons to learn in a club is to walk away and not throw good money after bad, especially when you are sitting there with a hard dick, judgement impaired a bit by alcohol and an eagerness to salvage something from the experience. A girl that scams you once will continue to do the same for as long as you keep acting like a sucker. Also, your money is your power and once you hand it over, your odds of getting what you want decrease dramatically, which is why you never pay for extras in advance. Consider the $500 as tuition for two important lessons and know that some guys paid much more for the same education.
It's all about discipline. Over the years, I've walked out of a handful of VIP/CR rooms after already fronting $100+ room fees (to the club) when girls started playing games once we were back there. I've paid enough tuition to know that when that shit starts, the fun factor evaporates and there is no upside in staying. Sucks to write off the $100+, but it is the better alternative than to be tempted to start throwing good money after bad.
That might be a nice way of saying she doesn't do extras. But, if you go back and continue to see her, this might make a good segue to an OTC offer, if that's something you're interested in. I do my OTCs almost exclusively with strippers at non-extras clubs, so not hard to do