Reactions to the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings
Electronman
Too much of a good thing is never enough
Anyone watching the confirmation hearing for Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh?
I find the testimony from Christine Blasey Ford very credible and I'd like to have an FBI investigation before any confirmation vote.
Other reactions?
I find the testimony from Christine Blasey Ford very credible and I'd like to have an FBI investigation before any confirmation vote.
Other reactions?
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Recall that there were three people in the room at the time of the alleged assault; the third person, Mark Judge has not been interviewed or subpoenaed. Does a Supreme Court nomination merit a thorough investigation? What harm would come out of an FBI investigation to verify if evidence supports either of these conflicting accounts.
LOL. Who is naive?
No, they are not admissable in court. They are relevant though. This is not a criminal trial. And while not admissable in court, they still are used in other legal proceedings for people who wish to prove their innocence.
This is *weaponized* metoo attack on a politcal enemy. This is what I meant about the _problem_ right now with metoo. We're being naive and illiterate here. Metoo isn't about helping women. It's being used to take down political opponents. Full Stop. And when (the royal they) they run out of key political enemies, (the royal they) they will kill the metoo movement, too.
Mark my words. We're being played. 100% --> "The democrats refusal to accept Trump as president is destroying ..." This is weaponized metoo.
Women of Tuscl: do you think (the royal they) they give a shit? No, they don't. They done far worse to get ahead "killing it on the senate floor", and I'm talking about the *women*. They *men* are just as bad. Both sides of the isle. They don't give a shit. Nothing will change.
1. Is any part of your statement false?
2, Did you make up any part of your statement?
Not exactly a probing, detailed exam.
Perfect timing. Now, tell me this whole thing wasn’t a set up.
The latest one - who claims to have attended 10 gang rape parties - that Kavanaugh attended - is the least credible. It’s sad - but largely true - that when the same lie is repeated over and over - it seems to gain a foothold with certain parts of the public.
As far as I’m concerned Ford is the most credible liar. However, she’s still a liar! This shit needs to end before they destroy a decent man’s credibility.
I know I've been drunk a a party or club in my youth and got "aggressive" with girls, just walk up and start dancing/grinding on them during a song, if they shoot u down, you typically move on. Heck, I remember I pinned a girl against a wall once while we were making out at a party (I dont think I could pick her out of a lineup of 2 years later). It was a heat of the moment thing, she didnt seem to mind. If later on, 30 years later on, she said that she felt threatened, I dont know how I could ever defend myself other to say she didnt seem to mind at the time, that's assuming I remember the girl at all. If someone asked me about a certain girl on a drunken night, I dont think I'd ever remember, thus I'd probably deny doing it.
If I raped someone, I'm pretty sure I'd remember that. But shes not claiming rape, shes claiming sexual assault which probably every one of us could technically be charged with. Even u dancers could sexually assult someone....I thought we just go in VIP and talk, then she took her clothes off and jumped on my lap and started rubbing her butt on my groin.
I'm guessing something did happen, but shes making it sound much worse than she or ANYONE at the time thought it was. I'm guessing he tried something when he was drunk, she said no or someone walked in or whatever and he stopped, and left. Apparently stopping falls in the same rhelm as full on rape now days.
End of the day I think everything is being used to delay to the midterms, dems hope the power swing and they can block any pick outright. An FBI investigation would certainly put it past midterms. I think Trump should announce his backup pick, someone unapologetically Christian, unapologetically anti roe v wade, anti big government, just the most conservative, far right wing guy possible, a guy that makes Kavanaugh look like a liberal. See how quick they democrats vote to confirm this "sexual predator" then.
If all people were judged on things they did when they were 17, how could we possibly trust anyone?
Our senators are more embarrassing than our president.
Also, the polygraph was vague at best, and being a professional psychologist, who would be better at passing one then her? Hardly conclusive IMHO.
U.S. Senate Hearing With Judge Brett Kavanaugh After Sexual Assault Allegations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsnKEiEy…
SJG
Simply, really: should order an FBI investigation and get testimony from Mike Judge.
https://www.predictit.org/Contract/12469…
U guys are quick to asume everything is fake, like how I assumed I was a dude but I was.not.
Brett Kavanaugh -- less than one week, zero witnesses.
I am not particularly convinced in favor of, or against, Dr. Ford. I find her credible but possibly wrong. I don't think she is being used for political gain, and I think anyone who reads that into this situation is profoundly incompetent at looking at reality. I suggest that person no longer watch Fox.
I am entirely convinced against Judge Kavanaugh. I find him an obvious member of the old boys' club, and a liar. I also now know that he becomes aggressive and verbally abusive when he worries that his desires may be thwarted -- which is exactly the profile of a rapist. So, because of his actions before the committee, I am more rather than less convinced that he did engage in something wrong. Not sure WHAT ... I would guess that it is likely that his behavior was a type of "Animal House" frat bash that involved wrongful acts toward females; or, a habit there-of, like many people have confirmed, from his fraternity, from his high school and college, days, and so on.
What I dislike the most, is not that he might have done something wrong back when. What I dislike most is that the party behind his nomination has prevented adequate access to truthful non-biased investigation. What I dislike second most is that Kavanaugh's attitude suggests to me that he cannot conceive of the fact that there are citizens other than white males in the USA. He speaks regularly about his own rights, and how abused he has been, and how his club is being put-upon. That's enough to convince me that he lacks the worldly awareness necessary for serving adequately as a Supreme Court Justice.
This isn't t say, that I inherently think that Dr. Ford's allegations are entirely accurate. But much of the debunking of them comes from the same Kavanaugh-esque point of view. Questions about her testimony are consistently based on assumptions of the white-male-old-boy crowd: why didn't she report sooner; why doesn't she have a datebook of the event; why can't she corroborate her story; why did she keep going to the parties; why is she "out to get" someone? All these are based on the assumptions that, among other things, there will be no reprisal for accusations, the police will listen, you won't get raped a SECOND time for complaining about your FIRST rapist, you are willing to abandon your social life and let the rapists win control of your weekend, you have contacts and friends who can help you out when you get wronged. Although none of that is necessarily true, none of it is necessarily false either; and white-male-old-boys tend to assume the best of the police when rape victims tend to assume the worst. Therefore, Dr. Ford's debunkers appall me the most in this entire situation. And they're the committee.
I would not be surprised if private property rights in America (a synonym for "freedom" right now, most idiotically) become so important under our next Supreme Court holdings that we start to abandon the concept of human rights. We're already doing it in subtle unofficial ways. When blacks complain that a private golf course owned by whites ought to be required to allow blacks to play there, Kavanaugh doesn't 'get it' that the blacks aren't rich and privileged enough to buy their own golf course in order to play on it and kick off the hispanics. His whole life he's been in the room with people who own golf courses. He's as un-American as it gets. And that's why he should never make decisions for America.
Tell me how these congressmen become multi millionaires while serving the public. Strange.
If Kavanagh joins the SC, that trend ends for a generation. If RBG is replaced by a conservative, we may actually see the government reined in.
Dems showed how far they will go to keep control of the courts.
Do I believe she is able to prove that this happened after all this time? No, especially given the fact that the "witnesses" she claimed were present have stated they don't remember it.
Should this stop his confirmation? No. Even if it were accurate and could be proven he would be guilty of a juvenile offense along the lines of sexual imposition. That would be a decades old juvenile misdemeanor that shouldn't negate the great work he has done since then. If he had been convicted as a juvenile and sentenced to community service and counseling would that have been enough to keep him from becoming a judge or justice?
Good luck finding enough qualified people to fill our government that didn't do something as a teenager or in their 20s that could've been charged as a misdemeanor. Hell Ted Kennedy killed someone as part of a DUI and still got elected numerous times.
Isn't a large part of the court system built upon the idea that people can be rehabilitated over time? Otherwise I guess we should just lock everyone up for life if they are convicted of a misdemeanor or felony since they dhould never be able to overcome that mistake.
Musta missed that post. And, luckily, also any avatar pics from her “addadictomy” phase. Would hate to try and un-see her with a wang....
One more take home point for me--- political leanings and affiliations certainly influence perceptions, even of the very same event. Makes the concept of "truth" seem quaint and elusive.
With the Senate Judiciary Committee holding a vote at 9:30 A.M. tomorrow, a Senate insider has told Townhall that Kavanaugh has the votes to make it out of committee and the votes to be confirmed on the floor for a seat on the U.S. Supreme Court. Sens. Flake (R-AZ), Collins (R-ME), Murkowski (R-AK), and Manchin (D-WV) are expected to vote in favor of Kavanaugh. All the Republicans are voting yes. Also, in the rumor mill, several Democrats may break ranks and back Kavanaugh.
Through all the postering and bullshit I saw from what I watched yesterday and have been reading the last couple of days it's what not is being reported that should concern people more than what is.
And as much as I have been down on the guy before Lindsey Graham of all people had it right he came up a few rungs in my appreciation of him. ( which is really saying something considering how little I liked him before yesterday)
^It's not our fault you noticed your ball sack, Nicoke1994.
Shocked I tell you...
Several articles out there talking about the movie “Sixteen Candles” and how date rape was considered comedy back in the 1980s. It sets the context for the Kavanaugh hearing and explains the attitude of most of the old farts on this forum:
https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/9/27/17…
To the dancers on this forum: I don’t know how you can stand the repulsive sexist attitudes of the older generation.
When the dust settles, we’ll end up with a very bad supreme court justice and it will hurt ordinary working people in terms of things like labor unions, laws that affect the environment, finance, and especially healthcare. Most of the leading Republicans know that Trump is an incompetent, stupid, fool -- but it’s worth holding their nose to appoint a justice who will uphold their agenda for a generation.
I tend think something did happen where Cavanaugh was involved - from the news clips that I saw he acted as someone that had been caught per se - I was also turned off by the way he carried himself, he came across as arrogant and his personality came across as forceful and as someone that plays by his own rules; sure his demeanor could be put under the umbrella of someone who is innocent and thus pissed of being accused of something he didn't do, but per the eye-test he doesn't seem innocent to me but of course that is just my uneducated birds-eye view not having followed this closely.
If all he did wrong was be a party-boy in college that's one thing, but if he forced himself on a woman that is something else - but I think he claims he was a virgin for a certain length of time beyond college so if he wasn't getting any coochie I can def see him being so horny as a young-man that he did something he o/w might've not done, IDK.
Assuming he did it, is it enough to disqualify him over something he did in college and given his whole body of work, IDK.
As others mentioned politics trumps all here - the appointment is too politically valuable for either side to give in and the Dems want an FBI investigation likely bc they have a decent chance of possibly winning the Senate in November and thus could block a nominee in the future, thus I see an FBI investigation as a stall tactic.
I guess no one is perfect and I guess the question is whether Cavanaugh is too imperfect to be a SC judge (again assuming the allegations are true but then again AFAIK only one side was willing to take a polygraph).
The little I've seen gives me the "impression" he's lying but who knows for sure what happened, but lately in many he-said/she-said incidents it turned out the woman was telling the truth - IDK if any other women have made similar accusations but if they have then it may be similar to other cases we've seen recently of boys of a certain generation behaving badly.
You know, geezer, you keep mentioning your sphincter repeatedly, and I'm surprised you can spell the word at your age. But the fecal incontinence you're facing is just a normal part of the aging process. Just make sure the orderlies at your home remember to change your diaper and you should be fine.
Geriatric elf.
https://www.democracynow.org/shows/2018/…
SJG
The FBI investigation is a scheme, planned from the start to delay Kavanaugh’s confirmation past the election. Once the investigation is in the hands of the corrupt FBI, they will stall and delay, well past the stated one week.
You heard it here first.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/extraordinary…
SJG
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Jeff Flake
https://www.yahoo.com/news/extraordinary…
The Latest: GOP delays Kavanaugh vote for investigation
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/…
Donald Trump orders FBI probe in to Brett Kavanaugh
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-amer…
The decision marks a reversal for the administration, which had argued that Kavanaugh had already been vetted.
SJG
http://www.thecourierexpress.com/news/st…
And yes RandomMember, I think that is right. Flake did do what was right, and he has now accepted John McCain's mantle, as McCain has atoned for so much of past decades, and is now elsewhere.
SJG
Doug Jones
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Jones…
Jones prosecuted Thomas Edwin Blanton Jr. and Bobby Frank Cherry, two members of the Ku Klux Klan, for their roles in the 1963 16th Street Baptist Church bombing.
Doug Jones at the Bobby Frank Cherry Trial
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Doug_…
SJG
I don't buy "It doesn't matter because whatever happened was 36 years ago." We sentence 14 year olds to life in prison; 17 year olds who have consensual sex with 15 year olds to a lifetime as a registered sex offender." I've seen the latter happen in a trial in my home county. I vehemently disagree with such excessive punishments of young people.
But, Kavanaugh is not being sent to prison for life; he just may get one of the most prestigious jobs in the world - for life.
In the meantime I sure wouldn't hire him to baby sit my grand kids.
I also don't buy all the blather about Democrats and the FBI conspiring, I can see and hear what's taking place with my own eyes. A thorough investigation can find the date, the house, the driver(s), jar Judge's memory, and maybe others. Even then, things will still be murky, although I'm not inclined to believe that Brett was an angel. He probably did some stupid things.
What really bothers me was his performance at the hearing. I don't think he portrayed a judicial temperament. Talking about Clinton vengeance seemed off the deep end. I didn't buy his tears. And he lied about stuff. Like the Renate woman. The kids were obviously bragging they'd had their way with her, but Kavanaugh said they were all just good friends. My ass.
I don't think I'd want him judging my case.
brett kavanaugh sexual assault
https://www.vox.com/2018/9/28/17912378/b…
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SJG
I'm still getting caught up on the news. I hadn't yet read/learned that. Thanks for sharing on Senator Flake. Thank you.
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I think you might be projecting, there, @Flagooner (our little elf-boy).
The story about Flake listening to senator Coons and coming up with a logical compromise is an example of the way the senate should work. The two of them are friends and they actually listen to each other.
The next Justice is likely to be a female judge named Barrett ( she has 8 children ). It will be interesting to see what scandal they use for her.
https://www.democracynow.org/2018/10/2/k…
SJG
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