What percentage of dancers do otc?
aham5
I've got a bad feeling about this.
While you might think its not that far of a stretch from dancing naked to p4p..... how many if the girls draw the line at stripping?
What's your success rate in asking?
What's your success rate in asking?
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Finally, if all else fails I'll ask if she believes in the hereafter. If yes, then I say, "Then you know what I'm here after."
Also johnsmith69 hit the nail on the head with “how many will do otc for $300 or less, or how many will do otc for $1,000?” Because yes, most dancers do end up doing a form of OTC when the money is higher.
My success rate increases in proportion with how much I'm offering.
(At that’s point, if I was willing to go that far, then lol I would have just had sex with the customer but okay)
I don’t get the point of doing OTC if you’re not willing to fuck the customer. If your MO is no extras, then keep them in the club because as soon as you see them out OTC they won’t spend on you ITC anymore. Fantasy ruining and all.
I have heard of some girls getting paid money to hang out with dudes OTC like at either the girl's place or his, but idk if this is a thing or how they manage this without extras tbh. Could be a thing though I just am not personable enough to pull this off I guess hahaha. Another girl told me she got paid to smoke a blunt with someone OTC.
But yeah if a girl is going for bigger money OTC then probably hooking is the way to go for sure.
Q. "Sometimes the customers here guess at what percent of girls do itc extras or otc. What’s your best guess?"
A. "hunt 100% at times. heres what i mean every girl working never thought they'd be dancers so it the time is right every girl would at the very least consider it if not actually do it. its all about timing."
Q. "1. If you are working in a club where girls can easily get away with extras, say there’s 20 girls working any particular night, how many of those 20 are performing extras.
2. If a club is strict on extras but a dancer can get away with it if she’s extremely careful, how many of those same 20 are performing extras?
3. Same 20 girls, how many of them regularly meet customers outside of the club for OTC?"
A. "its hard to give a hard number but as i said before all 20 are at least somewhere in their mind thinking about it or even a step further considering it."
https://www.tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=…
And that’s true,blahblah. I guess if a customer is isn’t a club regular, it’s possible to get a little bit of dough just to hang out at a bar or restaurant or something.
Do you think that's a common reason girls might be hesitant to do OTC? Their income from that regular will drop since they don't see them at the club anymore (or they might see someone else they're trying to OTC) and perpetual OTC is not likely?
Heck, there was a poster a couple of days ago asking that same question (visiting her for LDKs when he already succeeded on FS with her) and a lot of responders here said “what’s the point”
I have gone OTC with non-extras dancers but that takes some time and $ investment to develop that relationship.
An uneducated guess is 65%. I’m thinking it’s more than half - but it’s less that 75%.
I think nicespice is saying that once most PLs have successfully completed the challenge of FS OTC with a stripper, they probably won't continue seeing her OTC or ITC. Whereas if the girl just continued holding out, maybe the PL would continue seeing her at least a little while longer if not indefinitely.
Now you don't strike me as a hit and quit type of PL at least concerning your ATF/CF. Similarly, we both would probably prefer longer term OTC arrangements with our ATFs than seeing them ITC, but many other PLs (and dancers) may see it differently.
Too many customers don’t respect that a stripper is a person who is working a job, and they want to get out of having to pay for her time. There is one comic out there that makes fun of this:
https://goo.gl/images/8yChJj
One of the leverage a dancer has with this behavior from customers, is that a customer can see the other customers in the room and be forcibly reminded of why he needs to pay for her attention. Pull her “out” and then it’s a constant bid against the stripper to spend more and more time together for less and less money.
Now, a lot of this gets avoided when a stripper is more “businesslike” and it turns into a P4P or sugaring scenario. Then, it’s less of a problem. (But even then, a stripper will have to put her foot down on things. For example, one of the songs from Cardi B’s mixtape before she got big https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fCi6D_GJRV…)
But if the goal is to not do extras, then a customer needs to stay in the club. With the possible exception of a few paid outings here and there with a customer in a public setting. But don’t do this with a potential regular.
Yeah, I get it that (most) everyone is a whore for the right amount. Most of us dont have that kind of cash to spend... and those that do probably dont need to spend it on strippers.
You can certainly clarify your question, as you just did, but don’t take issue with a comment that responds to what you posted prior to your clarification just now.
I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'd rather hang out with you than go into work" and their behavior and availability tend to supported the statement. It could be different with different customers. Who knows.
Also, what about the regulars who will switch to a different girl if you don't see them OTC? I don't know what nicespice has going for her (probably a lot), but she seems to think she can dictate the place and activity and they'll keep coming back. This is a woman who I'd definitely like to get a dance from! And if it's good I'll buy more. But if OTC is off the table, then I may not be back. It depends on who texts me that week.
Well i can't speak for nicespice, but many clubs aren't extras friendly. Some are downright impossible (no VIP or private dance area). Even at extras clubs, girls can still get in trouble if caught (technically they may not allowed to do them) or worry about LE. Then there's all type of surveillance or monitoring or even a lack of complete privacy which may make either or both parties uncomfortable. So in those cases, a dancer can often hide behind those "concerns" to avoid having to do extras ITC, whether she would do them or not.
Once a PL actually has FS OTC with said dancer, he may also have no interest in "half-measures" ITC. But the dancer still needs to work ITC because even if the PL wanted to continue these OTC arrangements, he's not likely to support her by himself unless he treats her like a very expensive sugarbaby, which is unlikely. His seeing her once or twice a month for a few hundred dollars per session may not be worth it for her to see him OTC instead of working ITC. Now you could argue that she could just see him on her days off, but that's extra work and time for her (overtime if you will) and not at her convenience so the whole situation becomes flaky for both sides. It would work out better for her if she just saw him when she was working and preferably during one of her slower shifts albeit with no extras.
@Aham5144 posted: “Many of us only get to a SC city a few times a year. ( work or travel) … my question was ones that DO OTC, not what hypothetically they might agree to if the fantasy price was high enough. “
Aham5144,
I only club a few times a year. So I don’t get the luxury of knowing dancers over repeated visits over a long period of time. No regulars for faves for me.
With HER asking, if I talk to 4-7 dancers on a club visit. 1-2 of them will pitch OTC to me on the same night having met them. So, 25%? 1 out of 4 or 2 out of 7. That’s been pretty constant and reliable. There are definitely girls down for it.
And that fits within the 35% success rate of the same-day-OTC-master’s 35% claim with HIM doing the asking. Here: https://www.tuscl.net/article.php?id=912
:)
In closing,
My gut feeling is THEY know once you OTC with them, they know most of your money probably won’t be available ITC, but will be available OTC. She seems to accept and understand that from experience. And it can actually make good business sense. Because she knows if she has a slow ITC week or month, then her OTC guys can take care of her. So it’s like two sets of customers she juggles. Even if you’re a once a month guy or less (despite what other poster claims). It’s still a good bit of change. And every little bit or more than she might have made ($0).
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