Piggybacking from a comment on Hotspots out West

I can't believe clubs can stay in business at those prices.

Or maybe it is just a laundromat

I was told Hiliter tried out the $40 vip charge per song for a brief period of time, and business slowed so much they basically had to return to previous pricing of $25/song.

"... I can't believe clubs can stay in business at those prices ..."

What's the alternative - it's like people that like to smoke - most of them still buy the cigs even though they have become super-expensive over the last few-years.

Plus - for the vets, paying $40 may seem outrageous; but for someone who's never SCed perhaps they don't know they are way over-paying and think that's the norm and perhaps think they are getting a fair-deal? i.e. they may not have a proper frame of reference.

Also it may have to do w/ geography where in certain areas w/ good-wages and high COL $40/dance may not seem as outrageous.

There is this one club I know where dance prices are variable. Sure management demands we all charge $20 per song, but in reality dancers charge whatever they want. ($25 or 3/$100 are common numbers as well)

If I were to guess, the kind of place that has a high base price at $40 would cause the dancers to have extreme swings in income. Some very good, some terrible.

"What's the alternative - it's like people that like to smoke..."....$40 lappers would take me out of buying lappers. i would still go to SC, tip on stage but wouldnt buy lappers. A $20 tip and being a regular at a breastaurtant would go a lot further.

i have ran into quite a few strippers that work at hooters/twin peaks here in the valley. they would look get $20 tips if they are strippers and servers lol

Anybody been to Club Fantasy in Sacramento?

May be the closest thing to an anything goes club in all of NorCal.

SJG

It also appears that clubs with high dance-prices that the club takes a big(ger) cut of the dance-price and the dancer may still be earning just the avg dance-price

almost 7 years ago when I first started in the strip clubs... mainly in Vegas and some in the Los Angeles area $40 for a single song nude seem to be the normal price. and $20 for topless. now I know better.

In the organization I am building, stripper grade dolled up hotties will drain you dry, 365 days per year, and there will never be any charge for that.

SJG

^^^ Currently, that organization is entirely populated by G.I. Joe and Barbie dolls.

Papi Chulo asked "What's the alternative?"

Seeking Arrangement. It's Uber for the sex industry. I never found my footing with it, but several guys here seem to have had positive experiences.

I don't think SA and strip clubs are apples to apples nor necessarily a cheaper alternative

^^^i agree thats why i need to see them in the strip club 1st, before i start giving $20 tips at breastauranunts

w.r.t. certain areas being able to charge higher dance-prices bc those areas are better-off economically, the link below shows that the Portland metro area is #10 in per capita income out of ~400 US metro-areas (known as Metropolitan Statistical Areas):

en.m.wikipedia.org

Papi i agree the price of a ld has much to do with local economy and COL its not always the case. Baltimore and Atlanta are 13 and 14 on that list and ld prices in Baltimore are outrageous. Perhaps has to do with proximity to dc/va. But maybe not. Richmond va and dallas are 28 and 29 yet ld prices are also outrageous in richmond. Pretty much all of va actually. I honestly dont think a ld is worth more than $20 or $25 anywhere.

My connection of per capita income to LD prices was more of a question/assumption vs a solid-fact - and there are other factors as well.

In the case of Atlanta I wonder if most clubs being air-dances is what keeps the dances-prices low?

w.r.t. Richmond I think someone mentioned the few SCs there are mostly owned by the same people/company thus they have sorta a monopoly.

IDK the exact connection b/w LD prices and geography and there is probably more than one reason.

@ san_jose_guy

“In the organization I am building, stripper grade dolled up hotties will drain you dry, 365 days per year, and there will never be any charge for that.”

I’m curious about the economics of that. How would the girls be economically compensated for their services if customers are not being charged for them? Is there an upfront membership fee to join your organization?

"I honestly dont think a ld is worth more than $20 or $25 anywhere."

Amen, i feel im already getting robbed at $20/1. In an ideal SC world dances are $10 top, because the majority of the time its not any different from a $10 floor dance.

Papi Chulo said "I don't think SA and strip clubs are apples to apples nor necessarily a cheaper alternative"

Perhaps not apples-to-apples, but it is an alternative for anyone who thinks that their local club is getting a bit greedy. Also, if the price of a standard LD jumps to $30 to $40 dollars, then perhaps SA becomes a comparable (or even cheaper) alternative.

The fact that their are so many strippers already on SA seems to make it an alternative to clubbing. It may not be an alternative that appeals to you, but the fact that it is discussed so often here indicates that it's on the radar.

EchoPizza asked,

"I’m curious about the economics of that. How would the girls be economically compensated for their services if customers are not being charged for them? Is there an upfront membership fee to join your organization?"

There is a membership fee, monthly or yearly. Most of the time only men pay it.

That money though does not pay women. It pays for our Temples and a Fleet of Shuttle Vans. It also pays my annual salary of $1.

The money is strictly accounted for.

Now, most of the men will be in high wage occupations, and we will help them with career advancement. This should more than compensate for the membership fees.

But they also will save vast amounts of money via the things they do no have to buy, stuff to impress women. When they walk into our temple, everyone is equal, and so our stripper grade hotties will jump you and they won't leave you alone until they've gotten every load out of you. And sometimes you can sleep with them, and pump more loads into them. No matter what, they will drain you dry.

They learn this in their initiations. And they don't advance in rank until they have demonstrated this, that they don't judge men, they just suck and fuck. And of course, it is the women who enforce this standard.

Other money will come into the organization from companies I control. This will pay for the other aspects of the organization. But it does not pay the women. The women do what they do because they support the organization and its objectives, and because they are respected and well taken care of, and because they like our men. And also, women have a very high capacity. Most do not even realize this as they have never developed it.

There are career building and educational, and sometimes even entrepreneur making benefits available to both the men and the women.

For those truly committed there is the inner order, living on our properties, and also having a golden parachute in stock ownership in outside companies we will start, if they want to leave. And for this the women get 4x what the men do. But this is still not really paying them. And it might be over 20 years forward from when they first join. And we hope they do not leave. For those who do not leave, there holdings go to an outside non-profit which builds more residence halls.

For young hotties, not ready for the inner order, but not having a place to live and not owning much of anything, but clearly being worth having there can be some other housing arrangement. But still, they do not get paid.

But the primary benefit for all is social, educational, and career building. In some ways like a Swingers Club, but instead of being run by Married Republicans, it is run by Single Radical Leftists.

It is a brain trust, and it will be accumulating lots of money, but this goes into the Temples, and we will build them ourselves.

Thanks for asking.

And in no case can our women ever try to charge money, or anything else like that, for sex. Within the group, sex is free just like everything else is.

We do not pressure them to retire from outside sex work. That is up to them, but many might retire very early as they see that our way is better. We are not morally opposed to P4P. Not a save-a-ho ministry.

But our group works because sex is free, like what is sometimes called a gift economy.

And I assume that our women will each be taking about 1/2 of each moon off for personal affairs. This is already factored in. We want them in the sweet spot.

SJG

Mostly what women want is financial and emotional security, and social legitimacy and respect. So to obtain this some will go for P4P sex. But we give them far greater financial and emotional security, and social legitimacy, than they can get via P4P sex.

Of course, just telling them this won't likely make much of an impression. But once they meet a group of the women and meet a group of the men, and see how it all works, I know that many will jump in right away. Others might go for it more when they are ready to get off of drugs, alcohol, and tobacco, and also when they are realizing that they want an education and a career, but that they still like to fuck like crazy.

SJG

I am actually anticipating that it will be harder to recruit men than women.

With men they really need to be convinced that this way is better. It goes against all of their social conditioning.

With the women, mostly they just need to be fucked for a few nights, and then they should be largely ready to jump in.

SJG

People always say, "pussy costs money".

Well why would that be? We all live in a world which revolves around money. And women need it as much as men do, arguably more so.

But what about in a realm where money is not needed at all? Does pussy have to cost money there?

No. In fact in most counter culture realms, sex is free and in gross surplus.

And Georges Bataille envisioned a gift economy, where sex was one of the main staples.

In the later years of his life he was a heavy user of Paris brothels. So I am sure he has thought this through.

The negative situation which now exists, sex in scarcity, is of our own making.

SJG

40 bucks for one song is ridiculous

^^^^ Common here, even for closely supervised air dances, and guys tip on top of that.

SJG